14,000 year old coprolites invalidate YEC,

[RAFH]

Here's good article for davey and gussie-sue,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/science/04fossil.html?_r=2&ex=1364961600&en=5973e9d2b4121535&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Unfortunately, I was not able to access the original publication, it seems to be seriously busy. Here's the link: lhttp://www.sciencexpress.org/

Now I know this does not address evolution directly, but it's another problem for davey's YECism. I mean, 14,000 year old caprolites means there were people around 14,000 years ago, thus there was a world here for them to be around in.

[Dlx2]

Well, if there was shit before the world was created, this supports the Native American mythology that states that dry land was created from the Raven's shit.

UNAMBIGUOUSLY. YOU EVILUTIONISTS ARE ALL LIARS!!!!

[hecaterin]

Fun!

That's "coprolites", btw. (Is a caprolite a stoned goat?)

[Per Ahlberg]

This is s nice story. Anders Götherström, one of the middle authors of the paper, runs an ancient DNA lab here in Uppsala and gave a talk about this and related work on Monday. It is just about the first North American human material unambiguously to pre-date the ubiquitous Clovis culture. AND the mitochondrial DNA shows this is Native American material, NOT raven, so Dlx2's hypothesis is FALSIFIED! SCIENCE WINS!!!!!1!1!1

[Febble]

Fun!

That's "coprolites", btw. (Is a caprolite a stoned goat?)

I can change that, but I'm rather taken with the idea of the stoned goat!

[Febble]

This is s nice story. Anders Götherström, one of the middle authors of the paper, runs an ancient DNA lab here in Uppsala and gave a talk about this and related work on Monday. It is just about the first North American human material unambiguously to pre-date the ubiquitous Clovis culture. AND the mitochondrial DNA shows this is Native American material, NOT raven, so Dlx2's hypothesis is FALSIFIED! SCIENCE WINS!!!!!1!1!1

How was it dated? (anticipates tortuous arguments about dating methods....)

[umop apisdn w,I]

This is s nice story. Anders Götherström, one of the middle authors of the paper, runs an ancient DNA lab here in Uppsala and gave a talk about this and related work on Monday. It is just about the first North American human material unambiguously to pre-date the ubiquitous Clovis culture. AND the mitochondrial DNA shows this is Native American material, NOT raven, so Dlx2's hypothesis is FALSIFIED! SCIENCE WINS!!!!!1!1!1

How was it dated? (anticipates tortuous arguments about dating methods....)

The person who left the coprolites also left his newspaper behind in the privy, so they just read the date...

[Jet Black]

This is s nice story. Anders Götherström, one of the middle authors of the paper, runs an ancient DNA lab here in Uppsala and gave a talk about this and related work on Monday. It is just about the first North American human material unambiguously to pre-date the ubiquitous Clovis culture. AND the mitochondrial DNA shows this is Native American material, NOT raven, so Dlx2's hypothesis is FALSIFIED! SCIENCE WINS!!!!!1!1!1

How was it dated? (anticipates tortuous arguments about dating methods....)

The person who left the coprolites also left his newspaper behind in the privy, so they just read the date...

"The Guardian, 12,000 BC"

Headline reads: "no news today since the earth will not exist for another 6000 years"

[Febble]

Compromise: fixed coprolites in the thread title, left the stoned goats in the post.

[Ray Moscow]

Here's good article for davey and gussie-sue,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/science/04fossil.html?_r=2&ex=1364961600&en=5973e9d2b4121535&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Unfortunately, I was not able to access the original publication, it seems to be seriously busy. Here's the link: lhttp://www.sciencexpress.org/

Now I know this does not address evolution directly, but it's another problem for davey's YECism. I mean, 14,000 year old caprolites means there were people around 14,000 years ago, thus there was a world here for them to be around in.

<Dave Hat On> Atheisitic "science" greatly underestimates the time it takes a turd to fossilise, because it ignores the forces of the Flood. <Dave Hat Off>

WHY DO THE TURDS AGREE?

[Per Ahlberg]

They were dated using C14: there's plenty of organic carbon in turds.

[Febble]

They were dated using C14: there's plenty of organic carbon in turds.

Right.

[Jet Black]

They were dated using C14: there's plenty of organic carbon in turds.

maybe they were eating limestone, or something of a pre-flood origin. I would expect that these people were around very soon after the flood and hence the C14 levels had not reached their present day levels.

[Febble]

Did people poop before the Fall?

[Jet Black]

Did people poop before the Fall?

of course - to provide fertilizer. However it didn't smell of poo, it smelled of roses.

[Dr. Nelson C. Armadingo]

Fun!

That's "coprolites", btw. (Is a caprolite a stoned goat?)

I can change that, but I'm rather taken with the idea of the stoned goat!

Isn't one afDave enough?

Nurse Durkin,
posting before Dr. Armadingo gets to the office

[Occam's Aftershave]

WHY DO THE TURDS AGREE?

POTW :p:p:p

[ninewands]

You people are having entirely too much fun with this topic. Don't you know that shit is srs bizness?

[hecaterin]

Well, how about a serious question, then?

In my amateur understanding, a coprolite is fossilised shit. Fossilising means that the organic components of the item are replaced by mineral. Ergo, I would not expect carbon. Where do I go wrong here?

PS, thanks for fixing the title. My joke is enough of a record of the OP's typo.

[RAFH]

This is s nice story. Anders Götherström, one of the middle authors of the paper, runs an ancient DNA lab here in Uppsala and gave a talk about this and related work on Monday. It is just about the first North American human material unambiguously to pre-date the ubiquitous Clovis culture. AND the mitochondrial DNA shows this is Native American material, NOT raven, so Dlx2's hypothesis is FALSIFIED! SCIENCE WINS!!!!!1!1!1

Do you describe that lab as ancient because the lab is ancient with really ancient Victorian or earlier equipment and facilities or because they study ancient DNA?

[RAFH]

Did people poop before the Fall?

of course - to provide fertilizer. However it didn't smell of poo, it smelled of roses.

That's true, mine still doesn't smell bad. I am sure of it.

[VoxRat]

Well, how about a serious question, then?

In my amateur understanding, a coprolite is fossilised shit. Fossilising means that the organic components of the item are replaced by mineral. Ergo, I would not expect carbon. Where do I go wrong here?
I wonder if 14000 years is enough time to replace all the original organic material with minerals.

[Steviepinhead]

I heard a snippet of an interview with Jenkins on the BBC World News last night (via NPR/PRI).

Here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329505.stm) a related link.

[Dave Hawkins]

Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.

[socle]

Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.
Yep, pretty much.

[ninewands]

Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.
Dave ... do you think you could try to come up with something new? We've been all over your PRATTs and, frankly, you are starting to get a little bit boring. Is it unreasonable for me to request some fresh material?

[Fathermithras]

Originally Posted by Dave Hawkins View Post
Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.

Dave, this is like pointing out that all those times you got your ass beat are examples of your ninja skills. You can't claim complete, overwhelming, utter defeat in which not one single person but you thinks you won as victories. In the examples above, you showed not only that you were wrong, but that you refuse to answer the vast majority of questions people ask you because you know you're wrong. Remember?

"Why do the curves agree?"

The thing you've never once come close to answering?

[Occam's Aftershave]

Originally Posted by Dave Hawkins View Post
Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.

Dave, this is like pointing out that all those times you got your ass beat are examples of your ninja skills. You can't claim complete, overwhelming, utter defeat in which not one single person but you thinks you won as victories. In the examples above, you showed not only that you were wrong, but that you refuse to answer the vast majority of questions people ask you because you know you're wrong. Remember?

"Why do the curves agree?"

The thing you've never once come close to answering?
Actually he did answer once over at IIDB, with a resounding "I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T EXPLAIN THEM!" after he got frustrated at being asked so many times. He also promised to investigate them further, then promptly bailed from the thread. That was maybe...a year or so ago(?) I'm sure he'll get to his investigation any day now because to Dave Hawkins, truth matters.. :p:p:p

[Coleslaw]

I believe what he said is that the curves don't exist in the creationist paradigm.

[Febble]

Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.

Yep. Just another of the many nails in its coffin.

[Dr. Nelson C. Armadingo]

I believe what he said is that the curves don't exist in the creationist paradigm.

Indeed he did. After months of insisting that we're all working from the same data,only the interpretations differ. That was one of the highlights of Nurse Durkin and my search of the dave-files.
It actually made us check to see if there might be a leak in our nitrous oxide system, as we could not believe anyone would be so very very... well, afdavish is the only adjective that could be applied.

regards,
Dr. Nelson C. Armadingo
and Nurse Durkin
"The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head", T. Pratchett
could this be a messag in a popular novel directed specifically at dave?

[Lucretius III]

Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.

Yep. Just another of the many nails in its coffin.

There are by now so many nails in the coffin of creationism ,it is now more nail than coffin :D

[Don Alhambra]

Oh, you atheists... you'll just believe any old shit.

Sorry, I had to say it when I saw the thread title...

[Ray Moscow]

Oh, you atheists... you'll just believe any old shit.


... to maintain your sinful lifestyle.

[ninewands]

Do you describe that lab as ancient because the lab is ancient with really ancient Victorian or earlier equipment and facilities or because they study ancient DNA?
It's most definitely an ancient lab. The mass spec is powered by a steam engine instead of electricity!

[Faid]

Is this anything like Lake Suigetsu Varves "invalidate" YEC? And Glenn Morton's burrows "invalidate" YEC? I'm guessing so.I'm surprised that you have the nerve to even mention the word "burrows", dave. You lost that one SO bad, (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=104892&page=84) you had to run away from the entire forum- and a forum full of Christians, no less. I bet that still hurts...