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KnightWhoSaysNi
04-06-2008, 12:41 AM
Perhaps a mod might want to merge this poll with this thread (http://64.91.228.42/~rational/showthread.php?t=643) where I made some comments:

Greetings, all. I just saw this thread and I thought I'd chime in. Here's what I wrote recently at the Freethought forum, which summarizes why I thought the FD forums were fairly successful:

- The IIDB had a large userbase. Out of a large populations of users, there were bound to be some people who'd like stick their neck out

- A lot of talented and thoughtful writers such as seebs, PoodlelovinPessimist, Dean Anderson and others frequently got involved to make the debates interesting. Of course, along with the good, you'd get the bad and the ugly such as Jason Gastrich, Bible Thumper, Bible John and Willowtree -- but even they sometimes made a debate entertaining, watching them get pulverized (http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=93010)... :D

- There was enough diversity of opinion in the IIDB present to get debates going. Though non-theists made up the bulk of the IIDB population, there was a sufficient amount of theists (as well as social and political disagreements among the non-theists) to create an environment conducive to gauntlet-dropping.

- Controversial subjects. The IIDB, after all, deals with things like religion, philosophy, science, politics -- topics that ignite passions in people enough for them to stick their neck out in formal debates.

I agree with Dean that TR is still pretty small which may inhibit participation. On the other hand, we have the people. Prolific debaters such as Dean and seebs are present here and people in this very thread expressed interest in participating. And as rav alluded, "if we build it they will come."

Furthermore, some formal debates at IIDB were the result of members inviting people from the outside. For instance, seebs brought in calebnostro from CF to debate homosexuality. If I'm not mistaken, someone brought in Brian Bosse to debate TAG. Not to toot my own horn, but I think I've established a good reputation for fair and organized formal debate moderation, which attracts people from the outside who want to stick their neck out and defend whatever passion they fancy. For instance, last year a Christian from a very aggressive anti-atheist blog contacted me and asked about some formal debate procedures; he had planned to issue a debate challenge but his intended opponent declined.

Anyways, perhaps I'll start a poll in TH and see what level of interest there is. If there's enough interest, I'd be willing to help re-construct the debate rules & procedures in the TH, and perhaps moderate again, should the TR mods/admins and community will it.

I just wanted to determine the level of interest present regarding formal debate forums. What do you think? :)

David B
04-06-2008, 12:57 AM
I'm not a formal debater myself, but I have sometimes enjoyed the peanut galleries.

I had thought that we were too small, but we are growing faster than we imagined, and a formal debate forum with good expertise at making a good one would be an asset to the board, and a means to attracting attention to the board, IMV.

David B

Pavlov's Dog
04-06-2008, 12:59 AM
Formal debates are for high school kids and politicians. If you want to discuss something, then discuss it.

deadman_932
04-06-2008, 03:46 AM
Formal debates can be useful and instructive for participants and readers alike. Excluding extraneous bullshit and jibes makes for easier reading and coherency of argument in subjects with depth.

In short, it's easier wading through a few pages of text than 144 pages of discussion on Wally Brown's Watery Hydropants. I vote yes.

BWE
04-06-2008, 03:50 AM
And in a formal debate, extraneous bullshit and jibes are more interesting anyway.

yes.

Octavia
04-06-2008, 03:53 AM
I'd like to see it. I think they could be a draw, even if they're only used sporadically in the beginning.

I'd like to see a vote function at the end of the debate, though. What do people think about that idea?

Notta_skeptic
04-06-2008, 03:54 AM
I'd like to see it. I think they could be a draw, even if they're only used sporadically in the beginning.

I'd like to see a vote function at the end of the debate, though. What do people think about that idea?
I'd like to see a vote function, too, with spaces for concise, brief comments.

Octavia
04-06-2008, 03:59 AM
^Maybe we could attach the vote to a peanut gallery, and only open the voting when the debate it over? (PG thread would be open for comments all through it, of course.)

deadman_932
04-06-2008, 04:04 AM
And in a formal debate, extraneous bullshit and jibes are more interesting anyway.

yes.
Well, in YOURS...they were real highlights, yeah. Comments from others not really debating in a thread tend to muck it up in terms of flow. And we need the arguments to flow fluidly, frankly. Edit: Peanut gallery votes are good.

Goldie
04-06-2008, 04:18 AM
It might be interesting... but I just came here for the brownies... or twinkies... or whatever you are calling them these days... but something deliciously sweet. :(
*Notes that no brownies were offered*

deadman_932
04-06-2008, 04:26 AM
I made choco chip Wed., and you may have some, Goldie. Plus I'm kinda sweet, too. Don't listen to those vicious rumors otherwise.

Goldie
04-06-2008, 04:47 AM
I can see from your avatar and such that you are all sweetness and light!:p
YAY! Cookies! Thank you, Deadman!

ravenscape
04-06-2008, 07:33 AM
How about some Denali Bearclaw ice cream? Chocolate, caramel...yummy goodness!

Voting could be interesting. Maybe we could try it on a few debates and see what everyone thinks.

Rathpig
04-06-2008, 08:00 AM
I think TR may need to grow a bit, but I support the concept.

VoxRat
04-06-2008, 05:56 PM
Seems like a pretty natural idea for a place that calls itself Talk Rational.

We have 339 registered members. I think that should be enough - assuming there are people willing to do the scut work.

hecaterin
04-07-2008, 12:25 AM
Yes, I would like to see them, eventually, so I voted yes. But I'm not sure we're big enough or settled enough yet.