Scatterplot of political compass test scores of TR members

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

The purpose of this thread is to make a scatterplot representing TR member scores from the political compass test (http://www.politicalcompass.org/).

If you want, feel free to provide your gender, nationality or religion (or lack of) to allow further analysis.

Here is the graph based on 125 entries (Oct. 23). I'll update the scatterplot and stats in this OP again when I get a total of 150 entries.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/StretchyCheese/policomp_125a.jpg

Overall, the vast majority of TR members are typically a centre-left to far left socially permissive bunch and have an aversion or distrust of laissez-faire economic principles. Everyone so far is averse to social authoritarianism, given that the upper quadrants are empty. However, there is a small but growing right of centre or libertarian contingent. The scatterplot to this date represents about 12% of the TR membership, suggesting that the socio-political preferences here are relatively homogeneous.

Here are some stats and information:

Mean economic left/right score: -4.76

Mean libertarian/authoritarian score: -5.50

Most economically leftwing: nygreenguy (-9.75)
Most economically right-wing: Eudaimonist (+8.00)
Most socially permissive: Norseman (-10.00)
Most socially authoritarian: Lemonz (-0.10)

Most likely to throttle each other if left alone in a room: Norseman (-9.54, -10.00) and Gregor (+6.12, -0.97)



Also, lpetrich has offered his invitation to take these tests for his analysis:

Moral Politics (http://www.moral-politics.com/)
Political Brew (http://www.politicalbrew.com/politest.cgi)
Environics Fire-and-Ice Human-Values test (http://fireandice.environics.net/surveys/fireandice/main/fireandice.asp?surveyID=1)(for this one, please provide your x-y scores which are found in the URL after taking the test)

lpetrich has collected a lot of statistics on various messageboards (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/Compass.html)and hopes to add information on TR as well.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Just to start things off, here are my results:

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

nationality: Canadian
gender: male
worldview: nontheist

lpetrich, later on, I'll provide my result for your other tests.

[Goldie]

Mine:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

Nationality: US
Gender: Female
Worldview: Atheist

Me and the Dalai Lama! lol

[Garnet]

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05

Nationality: US
Gender: Female
Worldview: Atheist

I'm over by Gandhi?

[kazzaqld]

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

Nationality: Australian
Gender: Female
Worldview: Atheist

Will have to re-read and find out what that means!

[monolith224]

Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

Nationality: American
Gender: Male
Worldview: Atheist

[Preno]

Last time I can find (i.e. something like 1.5 years ago), I had:

Economic Left/Right: -9.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

Czech
male
atheist

[nygreenguy]

Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.67

im such a commie

american
male
atheist

[Notta_skeptic]

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

Nationality: American
Gender: Female
Worldview: Atheist

[dancer_rnb]

wish they had had a neither believe nor disbelieve for
a number of them.

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Nationality: American
Gender: Male
Worldview: Atheist

[His Noodly Appendage]

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

Australian
Male
Atheist

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Also, lpetrich has offered his invitation to take these tests for his analysis:

Moral Politics (http://www.moral-politics.com/)
Political Brew (http://www.politicalbrew.com/politest.cgi)
Environics Fire-and-Ice Human-Values test (http://fireandice.environics.net/surveys/fireandice/main/fireandice.asp?surveyID=1) (for this one, please provide your x-y scores which are found in the URL after taking the test)

Here are my results for lpetrich's tests:

Moral Politics test:
Your scored -4 on Moral Order and 3.5 on Moral Rules.

I skipped the Political Brew test because I'm not an American (the questions often refer to policy within the USA)

Environics Fire & Ice:
x = 1.11 & y= -1.11

[shipload]

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

USer
Male
Agnostic Atheist

I'm seeing a trend here....

Moral Politics Test:

Your scored -5.5 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Liberalism, Socialism
Ideology: Progressivism, Activism
Party: Green Party - Well, maybe, but I don't like organized political parties.
Presidents: John F Kennedy - ABSOLUTELY NOT!
04' Election: Ralph Nader - Nope, not the second time around.
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich - Nope, it was Richardson.

Of the 433,081 respondents (3,068 on Facebook):

2% are close to you.
47% are more conservative.
3% are more liberal.
7% are more socialist.
31% are more authoritarian

Political Brew:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (29).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (26).

[Monad]

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.54

UK
Male
Atheist

[nygreenguy]

Political brew

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).


:dunno:


Moral matrix:

JAMES'S SCORE

Your scored -4.5 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 433,103 respondents (3,068 on Facebook):

1. 2% are close to you.
2. 78% are more conservative.
3. 12% are more liberal.
4. 4% are more socialist.
5. 6% are more authoritarian.

[Quizalufagus]

My results:

Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

American
Male
Atheist

[His Noodly Appendage]

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 3 on Moral Rules.

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (6).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (23).

x=1.42, y=-3.05

[hecaterin]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

I thought I was more libertarian. A couple of questions seemed to me to mix up is and ought.

Australian, Female, Atheist

---
Fire & Ice
x=1.53 (individuality end)
y=-2.46 (fulfilment end)

---
Moral X
Moral Order -4.5
Moral Rules 1.5

[His Noodly Appendage]

You know, I want to concoct one of these tests specifically to fuck with people's heads.

Ambiguous phrasing, multiple-choice questions that range across unrelated fields, false dichotomies, equivocation, leading questions that don't lead anywhere, repeated questions with subtly different wording...

[Wally]

Lower right quad. in all three.

[Pavlov's Dog]

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

Michigander
Male
Agnostic/Atheist
----------------------------------------
Moral Politics

YOUR SCORE

Your scored -2 on Moral Order and 3.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Barack Obama
-----------------------------------------------
Political Brew

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (17).

[ravenscape]

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54
Your scored -5.5 on Moral Order (http://www.moral-politics.com/xPolitics.aspx?menu=Moral_Dimensions&action=Draw&choice=MoralDimensions.Moral_Order) and 3 on Moral Rules (http://www.moral-politics.com/xPolitics.aspx?menu=Moral_Dimensions&action=Draw&choice=MoralDimensions.Moral_Rules).


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Systems&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalSystems.Socialism)
Ideology: Activism (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.Activism)
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_Presidents&Choices=Jimmy Carter)
04' Election: David Cobb (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2004_Elections&Choices=David Cobb)
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2008_Elections&Choices=Dennis Kucinich)Political Brew:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (7).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (17).

Fire and Ice Survey:

We have diagnosed you as falling into the
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant

x=2&y=-2.77

USA
Female
Non-theist

[VenDexter]

USA
Male
Atheist

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

Moral Politics

You scored -4.5 on Moral Order and 1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Barack Obama, Dennis Kucinich

Of the 433,118 respondents (3,068 on Facebook):

3% are close to you.
62% are more conservative.
6% are more liberal.
10% are more socialist.
21% are more authoritarian

[Esocyn]

Scale:
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.13

Moral Politics:
Your scored -6 on Moral Order and 5 on Moral Rules.

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: International Socialism, Activism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 433,120 respondents (3,068 on Facebook):

1. 4% are close to you.
2. 82% are more conservative.
3. 1% are more liberal.
4. 1% are more socialist.
5. 5% are more authoritarian.

Fire and Ice:
x=1.79, y=-3.21

Political Brew:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (2).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (8).

USAian
Male
Atheist

LOL @ Carter. What a douche bag.

[nygreenguy]

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.13

USAian
Male
Atheist


holy crap, im more left than you?

Whats this world coming too?

[His Noodly Appendage]

Heh, and I thought I was pretty pink.

I just had an idea for a thread.

[Esocyn]

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.13

USAian
Male
Atheist


holy crap, im more left than you?

Whats this world coming too?

Taking retarded, ambiguous tests and thinking they are correct in any real sense.

[nygreenguy]

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.13

USAian
Male
Atheist


holy crap, im more left than you?

Whats this world coming too?

Taking retarded, ambiguous tests and thinking they are correct in any real sense.

heh, good point

[lpetrich]

My scores:

Political Compass
Economic is left to right
Social is libertarian to authoritarian
Economic: -6.00
Social: -6.82

Moral Politics
Moral Order is egalitaran to hierarchical
Moral Rules is individual benefit to collective benefit
Moral Order: -3
Moral Rules: 3
System: Socialist
Ideology: Social Democratism

Political Brew
Both dimensions are liberal to conservative (0 to 100)
Fiscal: 42
Non-Fiscal: 12
Fiscal Moderate
Non-Fiscal Strong Liberal

Fire and Ice
x is competition/survival to fulfillment
y is individualism to authoritarianism
x: 1.36
y: -3.24

I've done some comparisons of people's scores here to elsewhere, and they are similar to people's scores at IIDB, Rants'n'Raves, and the Heathen Hub. I'll go into more detail when we get more scores here.

But so far, most of us are:
Economic left, Social libertarian
Egalitarian, Collective-oriented
Fiscal strong liberal, Non-fiscal strong liberal
Fulfillment, Individualism

[Monad]

Heh, and I thought I was pretty pink.


No - just in pink :)

[BWE]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

Ha! I'm right around Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


Legally.

[Ian Nerr]

USA male atheist

Political Compass
Economic: -7.75
Social: -7.33

Moral Politics
Moral Order is egalitaran to hierarchical
Moral Rules is individual benefit to collective benefit
Moral Order: -2
Moral Rules: 1
System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism

I think the questions for that test are flawed in terms of what they claim to measure. (For example, thinking there are differences between men and women does not have anything to do with politics to me).


Political Brew
Fiscal: 19 Strong Liberal
Non-Fiscal: 3 Strong Liberal

Fire and Ice
x: 2.16
y: -3.03

Somebody please tell me what all of that means.

[lpetrich]

Here is what the Fire and Ice test measures:

x = Competition to Fulfillment
y = Individuality to Authority

I think that "competition" is a better term than "survival", which the Environics literature uses, because it expresses better what you do when you have enough to live off of. Here is which each sign of x and y means:

x- Competition: standard of life important; survival and material gain; competition; Darwinian; success; socially closed and resistant to change; status seekers; outer directed
x+ Fulfillment: quality of life important; idealism; cooperation; personal growth and well-being; improving society; socially flexible; inner directed
y- Individuality: belief in making own choices about life; freedom of personal choice; question authority; lack of deference; fluid leadership
y+ Authority: conformity to authority; willingness to conform to customs; acceptance of dictates of institutions and ideologies; belief in that there is one right way to behave; support for political, familial, sexual, and social order


The four quadrants of the graph, with both Environics names and my names:

x- y- Exclusion and Intensity - Thrill-seeker

Taking risks and challenges for the thrill or for personal gain
Flaunting one’s success and material possessions
Craving constant attention, excitement and distraction
Living on the edge with risky, anti-conformist behaviour

x- y+ Status and Security - Traditionalist / Status-seeker

Pursuing the American dream by following accepted rules and norms
Strong work ethic
Desire for achieving material success and demonstrating social standing
Belief in traditional institutions and identities

x+ y- Idealism and Autonomy - Artiste

Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
Idealistic and open-minded
Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions
Autonomy

x+ y+ Authenticity and Responsibility - Moralist

Strong sense of duty and responsibility to others
Care deeply about ethics and fair-mindedness
Take care of mind, body and spirituality in the face of daily challenges
Patriotism



All of us here are x+ y-, and that is also true of nearly all who responded in IIDB, RnR, and the Heathen Hub. So we are all a bunch of artistes. :)

From this course summary: GEO 312: Canada and the United States (http://www.geography.ryerson.ca/bardecki/GEO312/NotesCanadaUS.htm)

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

All of us here are x+ y-, and that is also true of nearly all who responded in IIDB, RnR, and the Heathen Hub. So we are all a bunch of artistes. :)

From this course summary: GEO 312: Canada and the United States (http://www.geography.ryerson.ca/bardecki/GEO312/NotesCanadaUS.htm)

When the Fire-and-Ice test was tried at the Rapture Ready (http://www.rr-bb.com/index.php) forum, I believe that most of them were Status & Security and Authenticity & Responsibility. I could be mistaken, but I think this was divided along gender lines: females were more likely to choose Authenticity & Responsibility.

[Daisy]

You know, I want to concoct one of these tests specifically to fuck with people's heads.

Ambiguous phrasing, multiple-choice questions that range across unrelated fields, false dichotomies, equivocation, leading questions that don't lead anywhere, repeated questions with subtly different wording...
That describes the Myers-Briggs test.

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 4 on Moral Rules.

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (12).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (21).

x=1.44 y= -2.56

Female USA atheist

I feel like a fascist compared to most of you guys.

[Worldtraveller]

Political Compass:

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

Moral Mätrix:

YOUR SCORE
Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 1 on Moral Rules.
The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: Ralph Nader
08' Election: Barack Obama

Political Brew:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (15).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (36).

Fire and Ice Survey

Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant
Thank you for taking the time to complete this brief social values survey!
Your individual position within the North American matrix of sociocultural values is plotted as a green dot on our North American map of values and world views presented above. If you are right on top of or close to either the x-axis or y-axis there is more uncertainty about whether we have correctly diagnosed your quadrant. However our overall rate of accuracy ranges from 85-90% once you are just a little way from the axes.
Your personal position can be interpreted along two major explanatory dimensions, or axes of social values. The first axis of explanation of social values, shown here as the vertical or y-axis, describes a general orientation toward the acceptance versus rejection of long-standing social norms in society, that is, an outlook that is either deferential to traditional mores and institutions, labelled "Authority", or one that is more modern and questioning, labelled "Individuality". The second axis, shown here as the horizontal or x-axis, describes a general outlook toward, and valuing of, pragmatism and competitiveness, labelled "Survival", or a world view that is more idealistic and postmodern, here labelled "Fulfillment."
Taken together, these two axes form four general quadrants of explanation or meaning underlying people's values. People in the upper left are fundamentally motivated by needs for stability, security and status, and exhibit a strong work ethic. Those in the upper right most value ethics, duty, and responsibility within their families and communities. Meanwhile, those with values that place them in the lower right primarily search for personal control, and are open-minded, flexible and idealistic. And finally, individuals in the lower left pursue, above all else, novelty, excitement and risk.
Fundamental Motivations and Values
Personal Control
Question Authority
Global Consciousness
Adaptability to Complexity
Flexible Families
Key Characteristics
Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
Idealistic and open-minded
Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions
http://fireandice.environics.net/surveys/fireandice/imageGen.asp?sid=1&x=0.72&y=-2.71

[Zebulon]

Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

About what I expected; slightly left of center economically, and more so on the libertarian end of the spectrum. I'm about as centrist as you get.

Moral Politics
-1 on Moral Order
0 on Moral Rules
Political System: Moderately Liberal
Ideology: Capital Democratism

Political Brew
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (26)
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (29)

Fire and Ice
x = 0.81
y = -1.44

[halii]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

female, US, agnostic

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

I now have 25 submissions. I've requested a Politics mod to update the OP so the new grid and stats should be up soon.

[lpetrich]

My demographic info: I am an American male atheist.

And by nationality, we are mostly American: 17 out of 23 so far, with all but one of the rest being from other English-speaking countries.

When the Fire-and-Ice test was tried at the Rapture Ready (http://www.rr-bb.com/index.php) forum, I believe that most of them were Status & Security and Authenticity & Responsibility. I could be mistaken, but I think this was divided along gender lines: females were more likely to choose Authenticity & Responsibility.
If I could get access to that thread or a saved copy of it, I could count it up.

In any case, their much greater authoritarianism also shows up in their Political Compass results.

It's significant that they seem to be halfway between competition and fulfillment; just about everybody in IIDB, RnR, the Hub, and here is on the fulfillment side. There don't seem to be a lot of thrill-seekers here.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

It's significant that they seem to be halfway between competition and fulfillment; just about everybody in IIDB, RnR, the Hub, and here is on the fulfillment side. There don't seem to be a lot of thrill-seekers here.

I think you're more likely to find people from the Exclusion & Intensity crowd in forums for things like Maxim magazine, SUVs, teenage skateboard groups perhaps, party animals, racing car enthusiasts, night club enthusiasts and perhaps forums related to consumerism/gadgets and money-making.

[Gojira]

UK Male Atheist

Political Compass
Left/Right -4.1
Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.9

Moral Politics
Order -4 Rules +2

Political Brew
Not answered - too US-centric for me :)

Fire and Ice
x 0.96 y -2.1

[dancer_rnb]

Damn Zebulon! If not for him I could have been most authoritarian.:banghead:

[Garnet]

I missed these the first time around.

Moral Politics Test
Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -0.5 on Moral Rules.

The Political Brew
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (22).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (37).

Fire and Ice Survey
In the Idealism and Autonomy Quadrant:
x = 1.2
y = 1.8

[nygreenguy]

Dang, i thought it would have our names by it!

[Notta_skeptic]

Fire and Ice:

x=1.86
y=-2.71

Lower right quadrant on idealism and autonomy (which made it hard for me to be a teacher, imposing the school's knee-jerk authority reactions on my students)

Female, American, atheist

[trendkill]

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

Nationality: American
Gender: Male
Worldview: Atheist

[Zebulon]

Most likely to throttle each other if left alone in a room: nygreenguy (-9.75, -8.67) and Zebulon (-0.38, -3.69)

It's a rather odd position to find myself the most "right wing" of the respondents so far! :yikes:

[Garnet]

*looks suspiciously at Zebulon*

[Zebulon]

*looks suspiciously at Zebulon*

Heheheh... :p

Hey, someone has to be the least left wing person here. What I find funny is that on other forums I'm either pretty middle of the road, or one of the more lefty posters.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Most likely to throttle each other if left alone in a room: nygreenguy (-9.75, -8.67) and Zebulon (-0.38, -3.69)

It's a rather odd position to find myself the most "right wing" of the respondents so far! :yikes:

I suspect that you won't be the most right-wing for long. I recognize a few people around TR who have libertarian or conservative leanings.

[Garnet]

*looks suspiciously at Zebulon*

Heheheh... :p

Hey, someone has to be the least left wing person here. What I find funny is that on other forums I'm either pretty middle of the road, or one of the more lefty posters.

*grins* I've got to admit that the chart is odd looking with most of us down there in the lower left. I would have thought there would be more variance.

[Alethias]

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

Interesting. I'm staying consistent on the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian scale, but as time passes I'm shifting slowly to the left on the Economic Left/Right Scale.

[Bright Life]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79

American Female Atheist

[Zebulon]

Oh, my demographic data: American, male, atheist.

[Bright Life]

YOUR SCORE

Your scored -4.5 on Moral Order and 2.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 433,556 respondents (3,094 on Facebook):

1. 3% are close to you.
2. 71% are more conservative.
3. 9% are more liberal.
4. 6% are more socialist.
5. 12% are more authoritarian.

Political Brew

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (13).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (17).

F&I
We have diagnosed you as falling into the
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant


http://fireandice.environics.net/surveys/fireandice/compare.asp?sid=1&tribeID=3&x=2.07&y=-1.8&dat=47419&sidImage=true

[Alethias]

YOUR SCORE

Your scored -4.5 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

Political Brew: Moderate Liberal (31). Centrist (45).

Fire & Ice: x=1.53&y=-2.46

[alien billie]

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

Interesting. I'm staying consistent on the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian scale, but as time passes I'm shifting slowly to the left on the Economic Left/Right Scale.

Heh, well I think I have maybe drifted a little the other way to meet you:

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44
British Male Atheist

That's enough though. No further right for me thank you very much.

[Roy]

The purpose of this thread is to make a grid representing TR member scores from the political compass test (http://www.politicalcompass.org/).

If you want, feel free to provide your gender, nationality or religion (or lack of) to allow further analysis.

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

Male atheistic Brit. I suspect us Brits may be nearer the middle in part because of the questions about reduction of freedoms.

Added:
-0.5, -0.5
Gave up after having to record 'no opinion' when I had one which didn't match those given.
x=0.78 y=-2.45

Roy

[lpetrich]

Now some stats on the other scores:

Moral Order:
Average: -3.58
Most Egalitarian: Esocyn, -6
Most Hierarchical: Garnet, 0.5

Moral Rules:
Average: 2.26
Most for Individual Benefit: Garnet, -0.5
Most for Collective Benefit: Esocyn, 5

Face-off: Esocyn vs. Garnet


Fiscal:
Average: 23
Most liberal: nygreenguy, 5
Most conservative: lpetrich, 42

Non-Fiscal:
Average: 12
Most liberal: Esocyn, 2
Most conservative: shipload, 29

Face-off: nygreenguy vs. lpetrich


x (Competition - Fulfillment):
Average: 1.46
Most Competitive/Survivalist: Worldtraveller, 0.72
Most Fulfillment-seeking: Ian Nerr, 2.16

y (Individuality - Authority):
Average: -2.44
Most individualist: Esocyn: -3.31
Most authoritarian: KnightWhoSaysNi, -1.11

x + y:
Average: -0.98
Biggest thrill-seeker: Worldtraveller, (0.72) + (-2.71) = -1.99
Biggest moralist: Bright Life, (2.07) + (-1.8) = 0.27

x - y:
Average: 3.89
Biggest traditionalist/status-seeker: KnightWhoSaysNi, (1.11) - (-1.11) = 2.22
Biggest artiste: Ian Nerr, (2.16) - (-3.03) = 5.19

Face-off: KnightWhoSaysNi vs. Esocyn


Some more features of the four Fire and Ice quadrants; the earlier-listed ones were "Key Characteristics", and these ones are "Fundamental Motivations and Values":

x- y- Exclusion and Intensity - Thrill-seeker

Pursuit of Intensity
Ostentatious Consumption
Buying on Impulse
Penchant for Risk
Anomie and Aimlessness
Everyday Rage

x- y+ Status and Security - Traditionalist / Status-seeker

Obedience to Authority
Patriarchy
Work Ethic
Need for Status Recognition
Technology Anxiety

x+ y- Idealism and Autonomy - Artiste

Personal Control
Question Authority
Global Consciousness
Adaptability to Complexity
Flexible Families

x+ y+ Authenticity and Responsibility - Moralist

Duty
Social Responsibility
Everyday Ethics
Gender Parity
Spiritual Quest
Holistic Health



ETA: Was using scores posted up to Bright Life's post; Alethias now beats me in fiscal conservatism and the Moral Politics face-off would be nygreenguy vs. Alethias

[BlueFox]

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

Nationality: American
Gender: Male
Worldview: Nonatheist, but also disenchanted with organized religion

[tjakey]

-2.75 / -5.28

I guess I'm getting old. I find fewer and fewer things that I "strongly" agree or disagree with. (Well, other then the fact that gw da shrub is a eejit.)

[The AntiChris]

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

UK, male, atheist.

Chris

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

If anyone's curious, here are a few stats based on gender and nationality from 33 submissions. There weren't enough people other than nontheists to justify a religion comparison.

Gender (24 males and 9 females):

Mean political compass scores (x,y): (-5.65, -5.99) for males and (-5.94, -6.15) for females

Nationality (23 Americans, 9 non-Americans and 1 unknown):

Mean political compass scores (x,y): (-5.46, -5.99) for Americans and (-6.57, -6.31) for non-Americans

[David B]

Economic L/R - -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian- -6.31

Male, British, Atheist

David B

[Arctish]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

American
female
atheist/agnostic

A few years my score was a bit more centrist. I don't know if that means I am becoming more of an extremist or if it's just the mood I'm in tonight.

[Febble]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

Gender: female
Age: 56
Nationality: UK

[Gooch's dad]

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49

Male, 46, American, atheist.

[Apostasius]

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

American
male
atheist/agnostic

[dannyk]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

Australian/British Birth
Male
Atheist

[lpetrich]

First, I invite all you people who've only taken the Political Compass test to take the other tests; I'd like to see your scores on them. You don't have to take them all at once. :)


Now for the numbers for our "family" of messageboards (IIDB, HHb, RnR, here):

Political Compass numbers (economic, social):

IIDB: 699 scores in lots of threads; used most recent one from repeaters
Averages: -3.66 -5.13
Medians: -4.50 -5.49
StDevs: 4.06 2.41

Heathen Hub: 21
Averages: -4.10 -5.22
Medians: -4.50 -5.33
StDevs: 3.64 2.79

Rants 'n Raves: 9
Averages: -4.78 -6.07
Medians: -6.00 -6.46
StDevs: 3.09 1.29

Talk Rational: 40
Averages: -5.76 -5.96
Medians: -6.06 -5.62
StDevs: 2.05 1.37

I did some statistical-significance tests, and the IIDB populations and ours are significantly different -- TR is more bottom right than IIDB. I didn't get many scores from RnR or the Hub, so my statistical tests did not give very high significance for them -- only 1 or 2 standard deviations at best.

The IIDB-TR numbers in standard deviations:

t-test: -5.76 -3.39
WMW test: -3.12 -1.69

The WMW test is the Wilcoxon-Mann-Whitney test, a nonparametric version of the t-test. Tt uses rank order and not numerical values, thus making it less affected by all those right-libertarian and authoritarian outliers in IIDB. And looking at some graphs, the TR scores fall within the main clump of IIDB scores, with hardly any being in the right-libertarian tail.


Looking at the other tests, there aren't many scores for the Hub or RnR, so I'll compare IIDB and here.

Moral Politics: Moral Order (equality to hierarchy), Moral Rules (individual to collective benefit)

IIDB: 25
Averages: -3.22 1.34
Medians: -3.00 2.00
StDevs: 2.29 3.26

TR: 18
Averages: -3.64 2.14
Medians: -4.00 2.25
StDevs: 1.61 1.62

The t-test gives -0.71 and 1.06 stdevs -- not very significant.

Political Brew (Gauge): Fiscal, Non-Fiscal Liberal to Conservative

IIDB: 82
Averages: 34 18
Medians: 28 15
StDevs: 23 12

TR: 14
Averages: 24 13
Medians: 22 12
StDevs: 12 10

There was a big thread on that in IIDB a few years back, explaining the big number. We are a bit more liberal, both fiscally and non-fiscally: the t-test gives -2.44 and -1.68 stdevs.

Environics Fire and Ice: x (competition to fulfillment), y (individuality to authority)

IIDB: 9
Averages: 0.89 -2.36
Medians: 1.11 -2.4
StDevs: 0.62 0.93

TR: 15
Averages: 1.46 -2.44
Medians: 1.44 -2.56
StDevs: 0.44 0.64

We've done better than IIDB here, and we are more into fulfillment than the IIDBers who posted scores, though we are about equally individualistic. The t-test gives 2.42 and -0.23 stdevs.

[David B]

-1 on both moral order and moral rules.

David B

[AthenaAwakened]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64

US
Female
Humanist, skeptic, professional goddess (group rates available)

[Bright Life]

Most moral? What does that even mean?

[lpetrich]

BL, you have the greatest Fire and Ice x+y value here, which makes you the most like the upper right quadrant of the Fire and Ice graph.

That's Authenticity and Responsibility (fulfillment + authority), which I've called the Moralist as a convenient shorthand. You are thus the most moralistic of those who've reported FI scores, which is not necessarily the most moral.

ETA: KWSN, do you remember any URL for the Rapture Ready FI results?

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

ETA: KWSN, do you remember any URL for the Rapture Ready FI results?

I found the RR thread in question (I once linked to it in an old IIDB thread) but apparently it's been wiped from existence. :( Apparently, they don't keep anything around older than year. RR doesn't have a search function either.

[AthenaAwakened]

ATHENAAWAKENED'S SCORE

Your scored -4 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.



The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 434,583 respondents (3,169 on Facebook):

3% are close to you.
72% are more conservative.
12% are more liberal.
4% are more socialist.
5% are more authoritarian.

[AthenaAwakened]

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (2).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (12).

[AthenaAwakened]

This is your diagnosed quadrant:
Idealism & Autonomy

(1.84, 2.75)

[lpetrich]

Thanx, AA. Although to be in Idealism & Autonomy, your FI score must be (1.84,-2.75).

And here are some diagonal evaluations for the Moral Politics test:

MO + MR:
Average: -1.43
Most Libertarian: shipload, (-5.5) + (0) = -5.5
Most Authoritarian: Pavlov's Dog, (-2) + (3.5) = 1.5

MO - MR:
Average: -5.63
Most Socialist: Esocyn, (-6) - (5) = -11
Most Conservative: Garnet, (0.5) - (-0.5) = 1

[Garnet]

*squawks* Me? Conservative? Holy shit! Have I finally turned into my father?

[Obd]

Your political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

[Comfortably Numb]

My Political Compass

Economic Left/Right -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -6.36

Male
Canada
Atheist

Moral Politics Test
Moral Order -6.5
Moral Rules 3.5

Fire and Ice Survey
x=1.58
y=2.65

I didn't do the Political Brew test, seems to be directed at Americans.

[lpetrich]

Comfortably Numb, are you sure that your y value isn't negative? A positive value for it would place you way off from the rest of us. Did you wind up in Idealism & Autonomy (bottom right) or Authenticity & Responsibility (top right)?

Also, Garnet, you do seem more conservative than average here, but by around 1 standard deviation or thereabouts. So you've become only a little bit like your father. :)

And I myself was a bit surprised to find that I am one of the biggest pennypinchers about government money in here.

[Obd]

Well since I somehow don't see to be able to edit my previous post, here are the results of the other two:
Your scored -2.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Liberalism
Ideology: Capital Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: John F Kennedy
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: John Edwards

Fire & Ice:
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant
X = 1.37
Y = -2.61

Personal info:
Male
Atheist
Netherlands

[Febble]

I was pretty surprised to find myself so leftwing (-9). I seem to have moved leftwards in my old age, which doesn't seem quite right.

I can only think that the questions have been sharped for me by ecological issues.

[Per Ahlberg]

What a fantastically non-random distribution! The null hypothesis, "members of TR have no unifying sociopolitical outlook" is convincingly falsified.

[Febble]

What a fantastically non-random distribution! The null hypothesis, "members of TR have no unifying sociopolitical outlook" is convincingly falsified.

Ditto with the null hypothesis that the two dimensions are orthogonal.

[Garnet]

Also, Garnet, you do seem more conservative than average here, but by around 1 standard deviation or thereabouts. So you've become only a little bit like your father. :)



Well, I guess I feel better, maybe.

[Henry-Finland]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/Henry-Finland/polcomp.gif




Henry

[Comfortably Numb]

Comfortably Numb, are you sure that your y value isn't negative? A positive value for it would place you way off from the rest of us. Did you wind up in Idealism & Autonomy (bottom right) or Authenticity & Responsibility (top right)?


Yeah, that should be y=-2.65. Sorry 'bout that.

[nygreenguy]

Im still surprised im one of the most liberal people here.

Ive always thought I was pretty moderately liberal. Ive never seen my views as that extreme.

[BWE]

Environics Fire & Ice:
x=0.71 y=-1.4

[Bright Life]

Heh...Moralist=Spiritual Quest.

Funneh.

[PostMortem]

My political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

nationality: Canadian
gender: male
worldview: atheist


Fire and Ice:

x= 1.55
y= -2.62
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant


Moral Politics:

Your scored -3 on Moral Order
and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

[JamesBannon]

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Gender: Emmm... male I believe (at least I was last time I checked)
Location Scotland
Age: 50 :(
religion: What's that? Atheist naturally!

[Pappy Jack]

Here are my results:

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

Nationality: British
Gender: male
Worldview: Atheist

[Pappy Jack]

Moral Politics

PAPPY JACK'S SCORE

Your scored -3 on Moral Order and 3 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Barack Obama

[Pappy Jack]

Skipped Moral Brew as neither US citizen nor resident.

Fire & Ice:

This is your diagnosed quadrant:
Idealism & Autonomy

[SteveF]

Political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Fire and ice

x=1.39
y=-2.09

"idealism and autonomy apparently"

Political brew

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (18).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (18).

Moral politics

-3 on Moral Order
-1.5 on Moral Rules.

[Febble]

Moral Politics:

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

Fire & Ice:

x=1.74
y=-2.31

Didn't take the Political Gauge as it seemed very specific to American domestic politics.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

I need just two more entries for a total of 50 and then I can update the graph.

[lpetrich]

I've now expanded statistical-significance tests to all the quizzes, and I've learned how to calculate Spearman's and Kendall's rank-correlation values.

Rank-correlation tests are good for testing for some points are correlated along an increasing or a decreasing curve, without that curve having to be a straight line. That can be useful for Political-Compass results, because they often fall along a curve from the bottom left end upward and rightward, and then trailing off straight rightward.

And with these tests, I find for nearly every messageboard I have data on that there is a statistically-significant positive correlation between
- economic left - economic right
- socially libertarian - socially authoritarian

In effect, a curve from
- bottom left: economic left, socially libertarian
to
- top right: economic right, socially authoritarian

Though in most cases, these curves have rather shallow slopes, about 0.5 or so.


This is a clear falsification of what many libertarians seem to think that the correlation ought to be. They seem to think that it ought to be negative, a curve from
- bottom right: economic right, socially libertarian
to
- top left: economic left, socially authoritarian

It must be said that there are a few boards with a large number of scores where the correlation is relatively weak, like the Ummah Forum (Muslim) and the Stormfront board (white nationalist).


I don't have as many scores for the other quizzes, but from those rank-correlation tests, both IIDBers' and our scores agree on having this sort of correlation:
Variable|End 1|End 2
PC Economic|Left|Right
PC Social|Lib|Auth
MP Order|Egal|Hier
MP Rules|Coll|Indiv
PB Fiscal|Lib|Cons
PB NonFiscal|Lib|Cons
The situation is less clear for the Fire and Ice variables, however.

So please feel free to take the Moral Politics, the Political Brew, and the Fire and Ice quizzes, along with the Political Compass one; you people here have done better than the IIDBers so far.

[JamesBannon]

I forgot about the other 2:

Fire & Ice

Key Characteristics

* Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
* Idealistic and open-minded
* Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions

Moral compass
-5.5 on Moral order & 5 on Moral rules. Says I'm authoritarian which I find rather odd considering I detest authoritarianism!

[lpetrich]

Actually, JamesBannon, you are in the Socialism quadrant of the Moral Politics graph (MO-, MR+), not the Authoritarianism one (MO+, MR+). Most of us also fall into the Socialism quadrant, and you are more Socialist than average; you are more egalitarian than average and more in favor of collective benefit than average.

The other two quadrants are Libertarianism (MO-, MR-), and Conservatism (MO+, MR-); the opposite directions are hierarchical and being in favor of individual benefit.

And in Fire and Ice, it looks like you are in Idealism & Autonomy (x+, y-) -- along with everybody else here. That's why I want extraction of the x and y numbers, to see how all you people compare to each other. Are you more inclined toward competition or fulfillment? And are you more individualist or authoritarian?

[JamesBannon]

I couldn't see the x & y numbers (or I'm just blind). In Fire & Ice I was well over to the right and low down in the individualist quadrant, which I guess is accurate enough. I'm certainly very strongly egalitarian and have been as far back as I can remember.

[lpetrich]

JamesBannon, you can copy the result URL from the URL text field at the top of the browser window -- you don't need to squint at that graph. Once I have that URL, I can do the rest. Or you can try to extract the x and y values from that URL.

And I'm now working on a program that searches for the most extreme values of a set of scores, so I can easily find who's the biggest lily-livered libbuhruhl and the biggest rock-ribbed right-winger.

So far, I've found that IIDB has greater extremes than here, consistent with its having a greater amount of scatter in its scores. This means that IIDB has a greater variety of people than here.

[Garnet]

lpetrich, is there a place we can go an look at actual graphs? I find that I'm interested in the results, but I don't really understand them.

[crazyfingers]

This time around I come out:

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

I think that I have been about there for a while. Curious how those results differ from when I took the test at IIDB.

nationality: USA
gender: grown up boy
worldview: nontheist

[lpetrich]

crazyfingers, your Political Compass scores over the years at IIDB are:
-3.06 -6.02
-2 -4
-2.12 -5.85
-3.5 -6.05
-4.62 -5.49

And Garnet, yes, I do intend to make some graphs of my results. Part of the challenge I face is how to do graphs for multiple quizzes -- each person's scores becomes a point in a multidimensional space of possible scores. There's a technique called principal components analysis which can be used to project the points onto their directions of greatest variation; for a 2D graph, one uses the top two of those directions.

[crazyfingers]

crazyfingers, your Political Compass scores over the years at IIDB are:
-3.06 -6.02
-2 -4
-2.12 -5.85
-3.5 -6.05
-4.62 -5.49



Hey thanks! How'd you do that?

That's interesting. I didn't know that I moved around that much. I don't think that my basic opinions have changed much. I suspect that it's my mood at the time whether something is normal or strong when I rate it.

[retrow]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.95

Country of residence: USA | (Nationality: Indian)
Gender: Male
Worldview: Nontheist

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

I just updated the graph based on a total of 50 submissions. I sent a request to a mod to update the OP so it should be up soon.

[lpetrich]

(his scores over the years at IIDB)
Hey thanks! How'd you do that?
I've searched through IIDB's archives for every mention of the Political Compass quiz, and I've found a lot of threads with people reporting on their scores in that quiz. Some of them are far back enough for some of their people's usernames to have gotten mangled by the UBB->vB move. So all I have to do is look through my big file of such scores.

That's 39 threads on political quizzes, with 1039 scores from 713 identifiable people and 17 whose names got lost in the UBB->vB move.

I'd checked several other messageboards, without finding nearly as many.

[crazyfingers]

(his scores over the years at IIDB)
Hey thanks! How'd you do that?
I've searched through IIDB's archives for every mention of the Political Compass quiz, and I've found a lot of threads with people reporting on their scores in that quiz. Some of them are far back enough for some of their people's usernames to have gotten mangled by the UBB->vB move. So all I have to do is look through my big file of such scores.

That's 39 threads on political quizzes, with 1039 scores from 713 identifiable people and 17 whose names got lost in the UBB->vB move.

I'd checked several other messageboards, without finding nearly as many.

Ahh. It's an obsessive hobby.. :cool:

[Teshi]

Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

Moral Politics:
Your scored -6 on Moral Order and 4 on Moral Rules.

Political Brew:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (15).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (20).

Fire and Ice:
x=1.67 y=-2.55 (I think that's right...it's what it says in the URL, anyway)

Citizenship: US
Gender: Female
Religion: Catholic

[Barbarian]

Economic Left/Right: 0.05
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00

(It has been a while - zero and minus two are the best approximations).

Nationality: Hungarian
Gender: Male
Worldview: Atheist

[David M]

Apparently puts me close to Ghandi and Nelson Mandela, not bad company to be in I suppose.


Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18

Nationality: British
Gender: Male
Worldview: Theist

[David M]

Moral Politics
-2 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

Fire & Ice
x=1.08 y=-0.52

Political Brew's questions are very US based so I'd question how applicable it is.
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (18).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (17).

[lpetrich]

Teshi, you did it right. And I have now created a page on IIDB and Talk Rational! Scores Compared (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DensityPlotsExtended.html)

Here are the false-color graphs from that page, comparing IIDB and here:

Political Compass
http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_II_PC_FC.png http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_TR_PC_FC.png
Economic, Social

Moral Politics
http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_II_MP_FC.png http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_TR_MP_FC.png
Moral Order, Moral Rules

Political Brew
http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_II_PB_FC.png http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_TR_PB_FC.png
Fiscal, Non-Fiscal

Fire and Ice
http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_II_FI_FC.png http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_TR_FI_FC.png
x (Cmpt - Flfl), y (Indv - Auth)

Beneath each set is (left-to-right variable), (bottom-to-top variable).

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Teshi, you did it right. And I have now created a page on IIDB and Talk Rational! Scores Compared (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DensityPlotsExtended.html)

Here are the false-color graphs from that page, comparing IIDB and here:

Political Compass
http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_II_PC_FC.png http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DPX_TR_PC_FC.png

There is obviously more diversity of economic perspectives at the IIDB. This is pertinent to my concern of TR becoming too homogeneous (http://64.91.228.42/~rational/showthread.php?p=36856#post36856). I'm just speculating here, but since those of right-wing economic perspectives tend to be a little more authoritarian, perhaps they weren't as displeased with the more authoritarian administration model at the IIDB, so they stayed stayed instead of going to TR or RnR.

[dancer_rnb]

I forgot about the other 2:

Fire & Ice

Key Characteristics

* Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
* Idealistic and open-minded
* Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions

Moral compass
-5.5 on Moral order & 5 on Moral rules. Says I'm authoritarian which I find rather odd considering I detest authoritarianism!

How authoritarian are you with yourself?

[laughing dog]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

[Lanakila]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
USA
Gender: Female
Atheist

Funny that I'm accused of being a right winger and I'm clearly close to the center in the left libertarian group.

[lpetrich]

Lanakila, you are a right-winger relative to the rest of us, both in IIDB and in TR. Look at where you are in the graphs relative to those colored blobs. Here is how many standard deviations you are from us:

IIDB - Econ: 0.72, Soc: 1.66
TR - Econ: 2.14, Soc: 2.92


KWSN, you are likely right about many of the IIDB's right-wingers not having much objection to the actions of IIDB's management during the IIDB. However, many of them seem to spend most of their time in the politics forums, and not much in the forums where the IIDebacle was most prominent. So most of them may have been insulated from it.

But a few of them did make some comments, and they were either neutral or supportive of IIDB's management.


And here are some demographics:

Sex|Count
Male|33
Female|14
?|8
Total|55
A gender imbalance, yes, but not as bad as in some parts of the Internet.

Location|Count
Australia|4
Canada|3
Czech Republic|1
Holland|1
Hungary|1
UK|8
USA|29
?|8
Total|55
There are 18 non-Americans here, and 3 from non-English-speaking countries.

Beliefs|Count
Nontheist|43
Other|3
?|9
Total|55
Nontheist here includes atheist, agnostic, humanist, etc. The others are a theist, a Catholic, and a "nonatheist, but also disenchanted with organized religion"

And there is one person here who has given their sex and location but not their beliefs.

[Preno]

Funny that I'm accused of being a right winger and I'm clearly close to the center in the left libertarian group.Um, not really, you are more like the proof that the centre of the test is skewed. Really, it amuses me every time someone uses the absolute coordinates in the graph to "demonstrate" that they really are this or that. Whatever makes you think that the co-ordinates (0,0) have some sort of special meaning and correspond to some actual "middle" position? How would one determine that? Do you even know how the position of the centre was determined?

[lpetrich]

In response to Preno's concerns, I've looked inside some other such quizzes, like some Asperger's-related ones and a Dungeons'n'Dragons alignment one, so I can feel confident about how the Political Compass and related ones work.

If you answer strongly in the appropriate direction for each of the questions, your scores will add up to the maximum in both directions. And if you reverse those answers appropriately, either the economic, the social, or both scores will get reversed. So it's theoretically possible to get an extreme-case score: (-10,-10), (-10,10), (10,-10), and (10,10).

And while most of us here at TR are in the bottom left, there are many people in other places who are in other quadrants, sometimes rather far in the positive directions, as you can easily see in my density-plots page (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DensityPlots.html).

IIDB is mostly bottom left with a trail-off into the bottom right; some IIDBers have economic scores as high as +10. And most other atheist forums also have such a rightward trail-off, with JREF's main blob extending rightward a little bit.

Neopagans and liberal Xians are fairly close to the typical atheist-forum distribution, but ChristianForums, Theology Web, and Rapture Ready extend into the top right, with RR going from the top left instead of from the bottom left, as the others do.

Perhaps the most extreme one is george78 of ChristianForums; he is on the opposite extreme from us at
Economics: +10
Social: +8.87

The others I've examined are top lefters; they are the Ummah Forum (Muslim) (a bit above) and Stormfront (white nationalist) (more above).

[SteveF]

When did you do TWeb?

[Lanakila]

Compared to some of you maybe I am pretty far right, but compared to Limbaugh I'm a leftist. I left very early in the IIDB debacle and really dislike posting in politics for the most part.

[Preno]

In response to Preno's concerns, I've looked inside some other such quizzes, like some Asperger's-related ones and a Dungeons'n'Dragons alignment one, so I can feel confident about how the Political Compass and related ones work.

If you answer strongly in the appropriate direction for each of the questions, your scores will add up to the maximum in both directions. And if you reverse those answers appropriately, either the economic, the social, or both scores will get reversed. So it's theoretically possible to get an extreme-case score: (-10,-10), (-10,10), (10,-10), and (10,10).I see. In that case, there is no way to tell whether to centre of the graph coincides with some meaningful centre of the spectrum (however determined), is there? Basically, what the test does is, if we simplify it, to place several points along a line (two lines), and then it tells you whether most of them are to the left or to the right of you. (0,0) corresponds to the area between the two middle segments (on both lines), but there is no guarantee or even reason to believe that the middle segment corresponds to the centre of the spectrum.

[JamesBannon]

I forgot about the other 2:

Fire & Ice

Key Characteristics

* Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
* Idealistic and open-minded
* Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions

Moral compass
-5.5 on Moral order & 5 on Moral rules. Says I'm authoritarian which I find rather odd considering I detest authoritarianism!

How authoritarian are you with yourself?
If you ask my therapy team, they would say extremely. :)

[Octavia]

Gender: Female
Nationality: New Zealander
Worldview: Atheist

Political Compass
Economic: -6.38
Social: -5.33

Moral Politics
Moral order: -3
Moral rules: 2.5

Political Brew
Non-Fiscal: Strong Liberal (16)
Fiscal: Moderate Liberal (26)

Environics
Idealism and Autonomy Quadrant

[ninewands]

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

The website said I am a Liberal Libertarian. The only place I've ever met such a beast is on boards like TR. They certainly don't exist in the Libertarian Party!

Nationality: US
Gender: Male
Worldview: Atheist

Other quizzes

Moral Politics:
Your scored -7 on Moral Order and 1 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Activism, Libertarian Socialism
3. Party: Green Party
4. Presidents: John F Kennedy
5. 04' Election: Ralph Nader
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

The Political Gauge:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (6).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (14).

Environics (Fire & Ice):
We have diagnosed you as falling into the
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant

[dug_down_deep]

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62

Nationality: US
Gender: Male
Worldview: None

[Mason]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 10.00


http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.50&soc=10.00

[Oolon Colluphid]

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

Male
English
Radical atheist

Somewhere near to Gandhi, which rather surprises me, but overall it looks accurate: fairly left and liberal, but not drastically so. Typical bloody Lib-Dem then I suppose! :o

[Cath B]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

I see I got exactly the same Social Libertarian/ Authoritarian Score as Oolon!

I knew I was left wing but hadn't thought of myself as that left wing.

I mistrust capitalism but I also mistrust governments which made it tricky to answer some questions.

Female
Welsh by birth
Atheist

[Pan Narrans]

Political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79


Moral Politics: -4 on moral order, 0 on Moral Rules.


Fire and Ice: x=1.36 y=-1.92


Male Dutch humanist here

[Cath B]

Fire and Ice

This is your diagnosed quadrant:
Idealism & Autonomy
Fundamental Motivations and Values

* Personal Control
* Question Authority
* Global Consciousness
* Adaptability to Complexity
* Flexible Families



Key Characteristics

* Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
* Idealistic and open-minded
* Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions

Very pronounced especially wrt individuality over authority.

[Lucretius III]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00


Nationality:British

Gender: Male

Worldview:Atheist

[Gagundathar Inexplicable]

Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

Nationality: US

Gender: Male

Worldview: Scientist

[leccy]

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

English
Agnostic
49 years old

Fire and Ice - Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant - x = 1.81 y= -1.86
Moral Matrix - -4.5 on moral order and -0.5 on moral rules

[Martin B]

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Nationality: Canadian
Gender: Male
Worldview: Agnostic
Age at time of test: 26

[DrLight]

Well Here's my results

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08

I'm more left wing & liberal than Dali Lama?

Sex female
Location Uk
World view not-thiest
Age 47

Scored -5.5 on Moral Order and 5 on Moral Rules.
# System: Socialism
# Ideology: International Socialism, Activism
# Party: No match.


Polictical brew
skipped becuase I live in the UK

This is your diagnosed quadrant:
Idealism & Autonomy
x=1.71 & y=-2.9

[hclincha]

Pol.compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Norwegian, male atheist

ETA: Somehow, I always end up an economic left winger when I choose the answers that are closest to my views. Somehow correcting market failures makes you a leftist.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

I just need 10 more (for a total of 75) and then I'll update the graph.

[Calilasseia]

I took a look at this. The options to answer the questions are too restrictive in my view.

There should, in my view, be a spectrum of responses from, say zero (Disagree absolutely) to 10 (Agree absolutely) with 5 representing a position where you cannot decide on the basis of the available information which side to favour. The test is in my view flawed because of these restrictions, and also because of the phrasing of some of the questions. On some topics, I would be considered right of centre, on others left of centre, and on others still, centrist.

[lpetrich]

ETA: Somehow, I always end up an economic left winger when I choose the answers that are closest to my views. Somehow correcting market failures makes you a leftist.
You're only a little bit on the left in that poll, and more economic-right than average for here.

And the right-libertarians that are so numerous in IIDB would likely consider your position little different from Communism. They often seem to have positions like:

Market failures do not exist
Market failures exist but are insignificant
This is the best of all possible economic worlds, market failures and all, and government would only make it worse

Yes, some people seem to believe in economic Panglossianism.

[Matt]

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

Nationality: US
Gender: Male
Worldview: Atheist

Edit to add other tests:

Your scored -2.5 on Moral Order (http://www.moral-politics.com/xPolitics.aspx?menu=Moral_Dimensions&action=Draw&choice=MoralDimensions.Moral_Order) and 0 on Moral Rules (http://www.moral-politics.com/xPolitics.aspx?menu=Moral_Dimensions&action=Draw&choice=MoralDimensions.Moral_Rules).


On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (15).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (46).

[Niete]

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44:p:

[Niete]

Your scored -6.5 on Moral Order and 6.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: International Socialism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 445,848 respondents (4,213 on Facebook):

1. 2% are close to you.
2. 97% are more conservative.
3. 1% are more liberal.
4. 0% are more socialist.
5. 1% are more authoritarian.

[ravenscape]

Hi Niete, welcome to TR!

[dug_down_deep]

Welcome, Komrade! :wave:

[miss djax]

hi everyone,

i just found this thread :) here's my stats :

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87

nationality - american
gender - female
worldview - atheist

[gamera]

I'm feeling saucy:

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

[kiwimac]

According to the Moral politics test I am:

YOUR SCORE
Your scored -4 on Moral Order (http://www.moral-politics.com/xPolitics.aspx?menu=Moral_Dimensions&action=Draw&choice=MoralDimensions.Moral_Order) and 5 on Moral Rules (http://www.moral-politics.com/xPolitics.aspx?menu=Moral_Dimensions&action=Draw&choice=MoralDimensions.Moral_Rules).


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Systems&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalSystems.Socialism)
Ideology: Social Democratism (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.Social_Democratism), International Socialism (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.International_Socialism )
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_Presidents&Choices=Jimmy Carter)
04' Election: David Cobb (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2004_Elections&Choices=David Cobb)
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Maps&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalMaps.US_2008_Elections&Choices=Dennis Kucinich)

[kiwimac]

The fire and Ice 'thing'

http://fireandice.environics.net/surveys/fireandice/imageGen.asp?sid=1&x=1.73&y=-1.84&sidImage=true

tribeID=3&x=1.73&y=-1.84

[jess]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

[Flying Buttress]

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87



It surprised me that I'm as close to center on both dimensions. Thought I'd rank as more strongly left.
Perhaps this funky depressive state I'm in keeps me from feeling too strongly about much of anything.

[Flying Buttress]

Moral Politics:

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

Fire & Ice:

x=1.74
y=-2.31

Didn't take the Political Gauge as it seemed very specific to American domestic politics.

Febble - you and I are pretty close.

[Llyricist]

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

US
Male
Atheist

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

I need just 3 more and I can update the graph. We need more libertarians/conservatives in there! (I know that there are a few of you here...) :)

[MedGen]

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

On the moral political compass:
Your scored -6 on Moral Order and -0.5 on Moral Rules.
The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Progressivism
3. Party: Green Party
4. Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
5. 04' Election: Ralph Nader
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

[DMB]

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41

Nationality: British
Gender: Female
Worldview: Humanist

I have to say that I could take the test another time and give some different answers. The problem for me was that a lot of the questions appeared to be referring to complex issues where it was very hard to be sure that one agreed or disagreed. For example
the prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs.
Well it clearly is an important function, but what other factors ought to be considered? And it's actually very difficult to rank such factors even if others were displayed. On a question like that I neither wholeheartedly agree nor disagree, but there is no abstention or "Don't know" option.

[general_koffi]

http://www.moral-politics.com/Temp/Pol_081fc1540ec9452c95ee6dfbb4a9f17f.png

Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and -3.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Bill Clinton
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Hillary Clinton

LoL

And then the Political Compass:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.12&soc=-5.18

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

[ravenscape]

Dude. You've messed up our pretty little lower left cluster. :D

[general_koffi]

Yeah... real right-wing extremist over here.

Presidents: Bill Clinton

Oh, Bill. DOMA and DADT in one Presidency. You know its in the nature of gay men to love things that hurt. :crucified:

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Now that I have 75 submissions, I've updated the graph. I've requested a mod to update the OP, so we should see the new results soon.

[ravenscape]

I just updated the OP with the new results.

[general_koffi]

Rofl

So who's the other Democrat? Loren?

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Rofl

So who's the other Democrat? Loren?

There are only two other people in lower right quadrant: Gagundathar Inexplicable (closest to you) and Barbarian (near the axis). There are a few other right-wingers in TR (including Loren) but they haven't submitted their scores.

[Bartender]

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

American
Male
Atheist

I really think that test needed a fifth response in the middle for neutral. There were several questions that I would have been neutral on if it had been an option.

[lumax]

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

LUMAX'S SCORE
Your scored -6 on Moral Order and 4 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Socialism
Ideology: Activism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



This political test is a part of the Political Brew website.

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (30).

[perplext]

Seems like I'll be blending into the masses here!



Economic Left/Right: -8.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72




Your scored -4 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 449,343 respondents (4,434 on Facebook):

3% are close to you.
72% are more conservative.
12% are more liberal.
4% are more socialist.
5% are more authoritarian :confused:



POLITICAL BREW

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (13).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (13).


We have diagnosed you as falling into the
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant


UK
Female
Non-theist

[dug_down_deep]

Seems like I'll be blending into the masses here!
http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3130

[perplext]

Aww :)

[Dlx2]

Hm. Prolly ought to give you my results:

Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38

[BioBeing]

Here's mine:

Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

[Autodidact]

Me:

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

[Alienanna]

Your political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

So I'm left wing of Ghandi - no surprise there. I always thought he was a bit too right-wing for my tastes!

[Zimpo]

My results:

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

[SAWells]

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

I'm a radical liberal :)

[Magdlyn]

USA
Female-ish
Izzardite

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

[damitall]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

Brit male atheist grumpy old git

[Mechanical Bliss]

Male/U.S./Atheist

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

Your scored -4 on Moral Order and -0.5 on Moral Rules.

Political Brew - (15,14)

Fire & Ice Survey - (1.7,-2.8)/Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant

[Oolon Colluphid]

Also, lpetrich has offered his invitation to take these tests for his analysis:

Moral Politics (http://www.moral-politics.com/)
Political Brew (http://www.politicalbrew.com/politest.cgi)
Environics Fire-and-Ice Human-Values test (http://fireandice.environics.net/surveys/fireandice/main/fireandice.asp?surveyID=1)(for this one, please provide your x-y scores which are found in the URL after taking the test)
Just done these now too:

Moral Politics:

Your scored -2 on Moral Order and 4 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Barack Obama

Political Brew:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (20).

Environics Fire-and-Ice Human-Values test

x = 1.06
y = -2.58

Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant

Fundamental Motivations and Values:


Personal Control
Question Authority
Global Consciousness
Adaptability to Complexity
Flexible Families



Key Characteristics


Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
Idealistic and open-minded
Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions

[Garrett]

American
male
secular

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95


You scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.


On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (26).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (55).


We have diagnosed you as falling into the
Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant
x=1.27 & y=-1.07

[lpetrich]

I've updated my Political-Compass graphs page (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/Compass.html), and I have some updated statistics for here. First, the average scores:

Political Compass:
Economic: -5.35
Social: -5.76
So we could be called left-libertarian as opposed to right-libertarian

Moral Politics:
Moral Order: -3.81
Moral Rules: 2.07
We are moderate socialists

Political Brew:
Fiscal: 24
Non-Fiscal: 13
We are liberals in both

Fire and Ice:
Competition-Fulfillment: 1.47
Individuality-Authority: -2.29
We are all in Idealism and Autonomy -- we are a bunch of bohemians

In the graphs of the first three, one can see a right-libertarian tail that extends from the main blob of us. It's rightward and a bit upward in the first and third, and downward and a bit rightward in the second.

I think that we're getting enough numbers to make doing demographic comparisons reasonable, so I decided to see what numbers we get.

There was not much statistical difference between our US and non-US members, and there was also not much statistical difference between the sexes. The biggest differences were about 2 standard deviations, with the rest being 1 stdev or less; those were:

Fire and Ice: Women are more fulfillment-oriented than men (2.4 - 2.9 stdevs)
Moral politics: Women are more collectivist than men (1.9 - 2.4 stdevs)

(I don't intend "collectivist" as an insult; I mean it as a shorthand for "favoring collective benefit")

[nobody]

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

U.S.
Male
Pantheist

[Lawtonfogle]

Mostly I'm sitting in the middle mixing the conservatives ideas I like with the liberal ones, waiting to invent gun powder and blow something (hopefully not myself... the kettle I'm mixing it in is preferable) up.

1. System: Conservatism, Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Capital Democratism
3. Party: Republican Party, Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Rudy Giuliani

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (37).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (49).


x=1.25&y=-1.88

[lpetrich]

Lawtonfogle, your Moral Politics results would suggest that your scores in that quiz are

Moral Order: around 0
Moral Rules: around -2

And a Political-Compass score?

More generally, checking on Systems (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Systems&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalSystems.All) in the Moral Politics test, many of us are in the Socialism quadrant, with a downward tail into Libertarianism (European "Liberalism") tending toward Conservatism. That downward tail is much stronger for IIDBers than it is for us at TR.

In the Ideologies (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.All) page, most of us would be into Social Democratism, with some of us in the Socialism fringes, and with a downward tail into Capital Democratism that approaches Capital Republicanism.

I have made a lot of density plots (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DensityPlots.html) of comparisons of IIDB's Political Compass scores to those of several other forums, and I've also made several IIDB-TR comparison density plots (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DensityPlotsExtended.html).

[Lawtonfogle]

You are right, I did forget to add one... but I will have to take the test again, since I rebooted the computer since then.

Anyways, impressive graphs... how much error do you think you get from different groups not wanting to take the test, or do you think that people not wanting to take the test a equally spread though all groups?

Edit:

Thinking back, I think I was closer to:
MOrder:0
MRules:-1

but sometime soon I will take the first two again, and add the scores to this post (if I can edit it, if not, I'll post again).

[th1nk3r]

Add me

-7.8
-6.3

[Roy]

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

Male atheistic Brit. I suspect us Brits may be nearer the middle in part because of the questions about reduction of freedoms.

Either they've changed the marking, or I've moved: -4.62, -3.90

Roy

[sparklecat]

Female atheist, raised American but living in the UK for the past four years.

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15


Your scored -4 on Moral Order and -0.5 on Moral Rules.


On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (12).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (44).


x= 0.78
y= -1.94

[The_Mess]

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49

Heh, I'v shifted up a bit I think...

[dorothy]

Okay:

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

Female, U.S., Episcopalian

[dorothy]

Moral Politics:

YOUR SCORE
Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Liberalism
Ideology: Capital Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: John Edwards


Of the 467,047 respondents (5,209 on Facebook):
3% are close to you.
38% are more conservative.
5% are more liberal.
18% are more socialist.
38% are more authoritarian.

[Loki]

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

Moral politics:

0 on moral order
-1 on Moral rules

[Reign_Cryogen]

L/R: -2.25 // L/A: -6.26

Male, northeast US.

[Crazy Liz]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

US
female
Christian

[fragmentsofdreams]

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

US
male
Christian

[Heurismus]

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

That test is too simplistic and Amerocentric. Not complaining!

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

That test is too simplistic and Amerocentric. Not complaining!

But not Amerocentric enough it seems because they use British spelling! ;) For example, in their FAQ (http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq), here's what they say about their spelling:

When are you guys gonna learn to spell ?

This grievance comes from pernikety people who have leapt into attack without checking the FAQs ..and without even the remotest realisation that British and American words are sometimes spelt differently.They should have travelled more! We've been at the centre of some rancour, but we're not going to take offence or harbour any grievances. The catalogue of their ill-informed certainties won't colour this organisation's programme. It's a grey area anyway. And we don't want to labour the point. Except to add that most of these cavillous correspondents seem to feel that they have a licence or a blank cheque for a level of rudeness that more civilised souls wouldn't have dreamt of. In response, we nevertheless practise polite dialogue, enabling them to recognise that the error is entirely their own. (We manoeuvre them towards the Oxford English Reference Dictionary, which is also an encyclopaedia.) This leaves them quite defenceless, which may account for the fact that these less than honourable individuals virtually never apologise.

I'd put my money on PC test makers being Brits.

By the way, I only need 2 more entries and I can update the PC test graph.

[lpetrich]

First, there are two people with missing Political Compass scores: kiwimac and Lawtonfogle -- enough to get KWSN up to 100.

Now for some statistics that I've calculated:
Quiz|Axis|#|Mean|Median|Stdev
PC|Econ|100|-5.28|-6.12|2.65
PC|Soc|100|-5.72|-5.79|1.47
MP|MOrder|49|-3.58|-4.00|1.81
MP|MRules|49|1.77|1.50|2.37
PB|Fisc|28|25.7|20.5|13.2
PB|NFisc|28|14.0|13.0|9.2
FI|x(C-F)|34|1.42|1.43|0.40
FI|y(I-A)|34|-2.27|-2.46|0.64

So you can see how you compare to our averages.

I've created IIDB and Talk Rational! Scores Compared (http://homepage.mac.com/lpetrich/Politics/Compass/DensityPlotsExtended.html) to see how we compare to our old home. We are much like IIDB, but with less of a right-libertarian tail.

Turning from averages to extremes, I found the extremes in each direction, and also the ones who are the farthest apart:

Political Compass:
Economic Left - Right|nygreenguy|general_koffi
Social Liber - Author|Monad|Lanakila
EL + SL -- ER + SR|Monad, nygreenguy|Lanakila
EL + SA -- ER + SL|Loki|general_koffi
Most Antagonistic|nygreenguy|general_koffi

Moral Politics:
MOrder: Egal - Hier|ninewands|Garnet
MRules: Indiv - Coll|general_koffi|Niete
EI(liber) - HC(author)|MedGen|Oolon Colluphid
EC(social) - HI(conserv)|Niete|general_koffi
Most Antagonistic|Niete|general_koffi

Political Brew:
Fisc Lib - Cons|nygreenguy|Garrett
NonFisc Lib - Cons|AthenaAwakened, Esocyn|Lawtonfogle
FL + NL -- FC + NC|Esocyn, nygreenguy|Lawtonfogle
FL + NC -- FC + NL|shipload|sparklecat
Most Antagonistic|nygreenguy|Lawtonfogle

Fire and Ice:
x: Compet - Fulfill|BWE|Ian Nerr
y: Indiv - Author|Esocyn|David M
CI(Thrill) - FA(Moral)|Worldtraveller|David M
CA(Trad) - FI(Bohem)|David M|Ian