wiploc
09-28-2008, 12:00 AM
I posted here (http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=184071#post184071), and have a formatting problem.
The conclusion is this:
Conclusion:
Stumpjumper undertook to show that theist morality was more reasonable than atheist morality. He failed to do so for the following reasons:
He made "practical consequences" the test of reasonableness, but theist morality does not exceed atheist morality in "practical consequences."<li style="font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Not raping for theistic reasons is no better than not raping for atheistic reasons.<li style="font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Atheists can be reasoned with about morality.<li style="font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Theistic morality is a form of irrationalism that, even if otherwise harmless, tends to encourage other irrationalism, some of which will not be harmless.
Stumpjumper's morality is based on more assumptions, and less likely assumptions (and is therefore less likely to be true) than is atheist morality.
Stumpjumper's morality depends on the unstated and indefensible assumption that the purposes of gods are privileged over those of other people.
I don't know what to think, because right now, as I'm composing this message in Firefox, the second, third, and forth bulleted items (out of six) are properly indented. but when I go to the debate thread and look, they are indented if I'm in Chrome or IE, but they are not indented when I'm in Firefox.
Edited to add: This looked good while I was composing, but when I posted it, the second, third, and forth items were all gibberishy mark up tags.
The conclusion is this:
Conclusion:
Stumpjumper undertook to show that theist morality was more reasonable than atheist morality. He failed to do so for the following reasons:
He made "practical consequences" the test of reasonableness, but theist morality does not exceed atheist morality in "practical consequences."<li style="font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Not raping for theistic reasons is no better than not raping for atheistic reasons.<li style="font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Atheists can be reasoned with about morality.<li style="font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">Theistic morality is a form of irrationalism that, even if otherwise harmless, tends to encourage other irrationalism, some of which will not be harmless.
Stumpjumper's morality is based on more assumptions, and less likely assumptions (and is therefore less likely to be true) than is atheist morality.
Stumpjumper's morality depends on the unstated and indefensible assumption that the purposes of gods are privileged over those of other people.
I don't know what to think, because right now, as I'm composing this message in Firefox, the second, third, and forth bulleted items (out of six) are properly indented. but when I go to the debate thread and look, they are indented if I'm in Chrome or IE, but they are not indented when I'm in Firefox.
Edited to add: This looked good while I was composing, but when I posted it, the second, third, and forth items were all gibberishy mark up tags.