Altered Carbon mafia 1.1 rules, roles, & peanut gallery

[Reign_Cryogen]

NOTE: Signups will remain open until I send the role PM's out in about 30 hours.

Welcome to Sharya.

Several centuries ago during the great diaspora from Earth, this gorgeous rock was settled by eastern Mediterranean pilgrims seeking the elusive freedom of self-rule.

But, as the saying goes: the more things change, the more they stay the same. It didn't take long for subversive elements, lacking the eternal patience of true faith and submission, to wind their tendrils into the hearts and minds of the radicals, the doubters.

Civil war erupted roughly two-and-a-half centuries ago, spilling good Islamic blood of all races from New Ankara to Zihicce. Unfortunately the well-intentioned reaction of the Sharyan government was regarded as too conservative by the standards of the powerful faith of her Marines, and the Right Hand of God was born - a powerful society of the most devout within the Sharyan military forces. The Right Hand of God Martyrs, acting as self-appointed religious police, swept through their own streets, cleansing them of the radicals and the doubters and the weak of faith.

But the human toll has grown too high. The beleaguered Sharyan royalty has requested the aid of the UN Protectorate, whose jurisdiction extends this far, even if they prefer a passive role as peacekeepers. The protectorate is notoriously intolerant of civil unrest and has responded in the most decisive manner possible:

The Envoys have been deployed.

...while traditional military training has improved over the course of history in its depth and quality of close-range combat, beneath it remains the human psyche. Envoy conditioning reverses every evolved violence limitation instinct within that same framework: submission signal recognition, pecking-order dynamics, pack loyalties; all removed and replaced with a conscious will to inflict harm on the opponent(s)...

The Envoys have been deployed. Odds are, they are already here. If they are not located and dispatched quickly, Sharya will certainly be in ruins within six months' time, not just spiritually. It is up to you, the Right Hand of God, to cleanse your world of their presence. But the Envoy gift for adaptive camouflage means this will be no easy task. Surely they are among you. You cannot trust even the good man next to you.

Allāhu akbar - lā ilāha illallāh!

[Reign_Cryogen]

At birth, all persons will be surgically fitted with an appropriate cortical stack device. A "cortical stack" is defined as any digital storage device designed to digitize and store human consciousness in real-time. This device shall be furnished with the most advanced technology available at the time without regard to monetary expense. The United Nations Protectorate shall reimburse all related expenses for this procedure. This decree shall apply to all clones and other engineered human sleeves³. A "sleeve" is defined as any functioning form intended to fundamentally mimic the natural human form into which a cortical stack can be installed and through which human consciousness maintains both in- and out-bound data streams. This includes the body in which a human is naturally born. This applies to sleeves both organic and inorganic (synthetic). This does not apply to virtual environments.

Roles:

The Right Hand of God Martyrs: Self-appointed religious police looking to ensure continued piety and justice. Using custom-grown sleeves powered with Will of God enhanced response systems, they're more than a match for your average three or four ordinary citizens. tl;dr: Town!

The Envoys: The UN realized, shortly after interstellar travel methods were developed and made colonization of distant planets possible, that the same principles which prohibit responding with military force to a problem six months' travel away also prohibit controlling a military force that's already on-site. You can digitally transmit your soldiers to awaiting sleeves, but then they're in a different body on a different planet with different gravity and that's just not a good idea. Thus, the Envoy Corps was developed to deal with such problems through extensive and thorough psychological conditioning. They're technically still human, but they're pretty much the scariest thing imaginable. Basically, in the process of making the mind pliant enough to handle a complete, fundamental change of sensory environment in a short span of time, it was discovered you can also do things like enhance basic human intuition and response time, and remove some of the instinctive barriers to causing harm to other people.

The mission of this incursion team is to bring this cleansing to a screeching halt. Now. They've infiltrated your ranks and their very nature makes it impossible to just spot the guy who looks like he's scummy, and unless you can find a way to directly access the personnel d-base you can't verify the identity of everyone in this group. You're going to have to sniff them out the old fashioned way... tl;dr: Scum!

Kovacs: Lieutenant Takeshi Lev Kovacs is an Envoy born on Harlan's World who has served with some distinction. He's led an interesting life and made friends in low places.

This time he's here on official business: He deployed with the Envoy incursion team, but during the landing and infiltration process he was cut off from his unit and forced to take some extreme adaptive measures (at one point he was a 20-year-old girl, if that puts things into perspective) in order to maintain cover. Currently he's working to carry on with the mission but without a connection to the other Envoys, this is harder than it sounds.

That, and his friendship with Sevgi Ertekin. tl;dr: Informant/Serial Killer! Kovacs has one night kill per night. If Kovacs attempts to kill another Envoy, he'll get his shit pushed in. If Kovacs attempts to kill Sevgi or Sevgi attempts to kill him, the attack will fail, they will become Masons, but will be reduced to one night kill between the two of them.

Sevgi Ertekin: One of the real dissidents in Zihicce. She's a member of a group of progressive-minded political activists who seek to establish a more socially advanced model of Islamic life without shahuda prowling the streets. Something other than a small army of self-righteous, bearded imams running the show. She was very helpful to Kovacs as he was trying to put together the necessary cover to crush the Martyrs from within. But while she's lost track of Kovacs himself, she's still got her own mission to run - that is, to get rid of the Envoys. As much as she and her allies might want to be rid of this authoritarian bullshit, there will be nothing left if the Envoys have their way. tl;dr: Vigilante! She gets one night kill per night. If Sevgi attempts to kill Kovacs or Kovacs attempts to kill her, the attack will fail, they will become Masons, but will be reduced to one night kill between the two of them.

Martyr Roll Keeper: Despite the civil war's impact on information systems, this loyal soldier can get access to the Sharyan Marine Corps personnel d-base to verify the ID codes of his compatriots. tl;dr: Seer! Gets one town/not town read per night.

Martyr Priest: The law prohibits interacting with those contemptable cortical stacks once the soul has left the body, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Behind closed doors the priest uses Protectorate technology to access the souls of the fallen to gain what information they can - and must. tl;dr: Morgue Worker! Can read any number of stacks passed on to them that night, either by a direct hand-off from another player or from the day's lynch. They will get a full identity read. Once the stack is passed on to them, it is out of play (there's no reason to keep track of it after that anyway).

Will of God Elite: Highly trained reconnaissance unit. They can skulk around with more care and patience than your average soldier and keep an eye on the night's happenings. tl;dr: Doctor! Can protect one target per night from being killed. Cannot protect the same target twice in a row. Can protect themselves if they choose.

[Reign_Cryogen]

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[Reign_Cryogen]

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[HAMMER]

Are those supposed to be links or something?

[Reign_Cryogen]

No, they're placeholders.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Okay, didn't realize the time limit on editing was only 2 hours. :p

Rules:
PM's are fine. Don't quote or misquote my PM's. I'm not going to summarily godkill people if they don't participate - that's your ass if people lynch the quiet ones - but please do me a favor and RSVP your role PM (or, at a minimum, post in the day 1 thread at some point). Failure to do that before the first nightfall will get you GKed on the second daybreak. No exceptions. I'm aiming for 10am Eastern daybreaks and 7pm Eastern nightfalls. This is nascent. I'm keeping an open mind for better hours, but there's just not a whole lot of history on this site to judge what'll work best for the most people. I cannot accommodate everyone at once, I'm afraid. My job can be extremely volatile about time. There will be a squad leader (Mayor) selected by vote. They will have 1.5 votes for lynch, to kill off any ties. Here's the skinny on cortical stacks and sleeves: When Nightfall hits, the lynch is done. The stack goes to the Priest for the read (they get the information at daybreak along with the other night move results) and everyone is appraised of the type of sleeve the victim was wearing. The same is partially true at Daybreak: Everyone gets a good look at the body(ies), just like the lynch. The stack is retained by the killer and they must hold onto it for the day. They cannot pass it along until the following Nightfall (meaning they'd better hope they aren't lynched that day) They cannot pass it along anonymously - send me and the recipient a PM about it. With that in mind, any sleeves in the pockets of a lynch victim will be passed on to the Priest along with the victim's own. In that same vein, any night kill victims who have stacks on them will be passed along to the killer.

I realize that appears complicated at first glance - it's not. It's pretty intuitive once you see it in motion: You just killed someone, whether by lynch mob or otherwise - first thing you do is.. look through their pockets for loose change. :p The night moves go like this: morgue worker/seer reads first, kills are simultaneous with the order determined at random if the kill attempts conflict. e.g. Vig and SK try to kill the same target, I randomly determine who got there first and the other would-be killer is advised the target was already dead. With that said, if the Seer is killed, they die with their last read. If the Seer's stack is recovered and handed off to the MW, the MW gets all of the read information the Seer gathered while alive.

Feel free to ask lots of questions about this. It's a very specific setup. Keep in mind that there's more stuff below to answer basic mafia shit + RnR-based conventions.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Working on the newbie info, veterans feel free to inject anything you feel is appropriate.

[Lisa0315]

So, are you assigning n00bs their roles, or are we supposed to PM you with the group we would like to be in?

Lisa

[Reign_Cryogen]

They're all assigned randomly.

[Lisa0315]

They're all assigned randomly.

Cool, thanks.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Things I Should've Learned by Now vol. V:
Don't keep quiet. That only helps the scum.
Mayor (Squad Leader in this setup) is selected, usually, by popular vote on Day 1 and then as needed if that person is killed.
Mayor/Squad Leader is an ideal choice to be viewed early by the Seer, for obvious reasons.
Lynch the quiet ones; Pavlov's Dog is scum
I know I put a lot of fluff in there. I do that because it's fun to write (hopefully at least someone finds it fun to read). But the information you need is in there and should be easy to find and should be consistent and at least 90% objective. You should be able to find what you need to know without having to read through all my fluff.
I went to great lengths to ensure people who've read the books do not have an advantage. Trust me on this. If you think you know something 'cause it was in the books, you're incorrect.
Yes, Day 1 is always a brutal, grueling experience because you have zero info. Everyone else is in the same boat.

..except for the scum, of course!damian, et. al., feel free to add stuff I missed.

[HAMMER]

I'm a n00b so here is my question:

what does tl;dr: mean?:dunno:

[Reign_Cryogen]

too long; didn't read

[dancer_rnb]

Things I Should've Learned by Now vol. V:
.......................
Mayor (Squad Leader in this setup) is selected, usually, by popular vote on Day 1 and then as needed if that person is killed........


I thought you said at first that the mayor was killed as needed. That almost never happens.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Especially IRL!

Running all the RAND codes and then sending out PM's. Don't be skeered to ask questions.

[elv]

Things I Should've Learned by Now vol. V:
Don't keep quiet. That only helps the scum.
Mayor (Squad Leader in this setup) is selected, usually, by popular vote on Day 1 and then as needed if that person is killed.
Mayor/Squad Leader is an ideal choice to be viewed early by the Seer, for obvious reasons.
Lynch the quiet ones; Pavlov's Dog is scum
I know I put a lot of fluff in there. I do that because it's fun to write (hopefully at least someone finds it fun to read). But the information you need is in there and should be easy to find and should be consistent and at least 90% objective. You should be able to find what you need to know without having to read through all my fluff.
I went to great lengths to ensure people who've read the books do not have an advantage. Trust me on this. If you think you know something 'cause it was in the books, you're incorrect.
Yes, Day 1 is always a brutal, grueling experience because you have zero info. Everyone else is in the same boat.

..except for the scum, of course!damian, et. al., feel free to add stuff I missed.

Don't overreact to stuff. The days are long and you have plenty of time to think about what you want to say. You never know what someone will pick up from one of your posts so make sure you say exactly what you want to. The biggest thing is that if you're trying to hide your true identity from the public make sure you don't say give away that you know things that your fake identity wouldn't know. That one is pretty obvious but its something I see a lot.

Other things, especially for the specials, is that early in the game it can be very useful to play like you have less information than you really do. In the first AC game at RnR someone claimed seer on day one and the real seer immediately voted for the faker. The scum picked up that the voter knew the faker wasn't the seer because the voter was the real one and the town lost its seer that night. Other common tells are that the first person to mention the seer is often the seer, first person to mention the vig is often the vig. In short, don't get hung up on your own role.

And if an argument has been going on for quite a while, its probably a good idea to step back for a moment and ask yourself what the point of arguing is and if the person you're arguing with is probably just a townie with different information than you. Countless times the scum just let townies with strong convictions about stuff argue between themselves wasting game time and distracting everyone else. Scum very rarely argue about trivial stuff. They'd rather lay low and let everyone else jump on someone for some fabricated reason.

[Reign_Cryogen]

haha, this is turning out funnier than I expected.

[Lisa0315]

First day was INTENSE!

[Reign_Cryogen]

Any day one that doesn't result in mass suicide is a good day one.

[damian]

dude was wearing Acklin-Hauri. Vanilla town is nakamura or something, so.

[d0t]

dude was wearing Acklin-Hauri. Vanilla town is nakamura or something, so.

What was nightson in the RnR game?
http://www.rantsnraves.org/showpost.php?p=450424&postcount=120

[Reign_Cryogen]

Nightson was vanilla town in that game.

[Lisa0315]

So where is our new thread today?

[Reign_Cryogen]

Sorry 'bout that, it's done now.

[Tawny]

Apologies for not showing up yesterday, I was stuck in a meeting.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Wow, I couldn't have planned this.

[Lisa0315]

Are you going to do a do over or a completely new game? I am developing my own game right now but I want to wait until this one is officially over.

Lisa

[Reign_Cryogen]

Well. I don't personally see a reason to reroll it.

With that said, however, I will entertain a reroll if there's a unanimous call to do so from the living players (obviously the dead ones would love a do-over :p).

[dancer_rnb]

OK :dunno:

[Reign_Cryogen]

"You see a problem; I see potential."

Seriously, though - I will honor a recall if everyone wants it, but I personally think it would be a mistake.

[Ian Nerr]

Let's just play it out.

[Fuzzy Fungi]

Goddamn. Newbie scum who don't know how to use PM's properly.

[ravenscape]

Sorry about that.

Next time someone calls me an experienced player, feel free to point and laugh.

[dancer_rnb]

:thwack::rofl:

[halii]

Sorry about that.

Next time someone calls me an experienced player, feel free to point and laugh.
"experienced" doesn't mean good it just means "has played enough before".

[Lisa0315]

I have a brand new game that I am ready to roll out. :D Ever wanted to throw a Christian to the lions?

Lisa

[Zimpo]

Lisa, sounds like fun!!

[dancer_rnb]

So, where is the sign up and description?

[Lisa0315]

Let me eat supper first and then I will start a sign up with the rules etc.

Lisa

[dancer_rnb]

Let me eat supper first and then I will start a sign up with the rules etc.

Lisa

No! Do It Now!:p

[halii]

don't make dancer scum, it'll be too easy. :p

we're playing this game out still right?

[Lisa0315]

don't make dancer scum, it'll be too easy. :p

we're playing this game out still right?

Everyone will be assigned roles randomly. I am going to go start the thread now. The stupid thing is I wrote out the whole thing at work, e-mailed myself at home, and for some reason it has not yet appeared. So, I may have to write it up again.

Lisa

[BWE]

Sorry about that.

Next time someone calls me an experienced player, feel free to point and laugh.
I think you could be fairly classed as an experienced private messager.
:p

[dancer_rnb]

don't make dancer scum, it'll be too easy. :p

we're playing this game out still right?

This was the first time I got to play scum........:(

[Lisa0315]

http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?p=242869#post242869

Christians and the Romans right here.

Lisa

[Reign_Cryogen]

Okay, so. After some rum and deliberation, here's what we're going to do and why:

I'mma pull the plug now. Looks like a couple folks have pretty much outed and called it a bust. All things considered, that's fine. It doesn't help that I decided to let this thing run over a busy day for the US. More important things to focus on. That was just a bad call, period.

So we'll call this a wash, let Lisa run her own game, and I'll take a pulse check, run a new sign-up when her game is done. We'll go from there if people are still interested and aren't glued to CNN like I am.

But I will say this: I'm disappointed that people gave up. There was a great opportunity for this to become a pretty epic game. d0t made a real pig's ear out of his revelation and pulled what looks exactly like what we at RnR call a "th1nk3r." If damian or Fuzzy were in raven's place they would have everyone tripping over themselves to vote d0t FINAL by now. That's nothing on raven', per se - she was probably trying to own up to making a mistake. I'm just saying that in mafia, even a mistake like that can be a real victory-from-defeat if you can make the poor, bewildered townie crying "scum! scum!" look like a WIFOM sandwich. d0t would have had his shit pushed in followed shortly by Lisa while the scum laugh all the way to the bank on the confusion.

So yeah, we'll try this again later, after Lisa's game.

[dancer_rnb]

I don't know what dot is pulling, but I am a member of the right hand of god.


I tried, but no one would believe me. Wish I had thought of the th1nk3r
angle.

[halii]

I was 90% sure dancer was scum before d0t's revelation.


but even that "i don't know what dot is pulling" was a weak reply. if d0t was actually lying you'd be putting a vote on d0t immediately and being like "wtf is this waht a terrible scum move"

I don't think anyone would doubt d0t because we know d0t and know he doesn't have a th1nk3rish reputation.

[dancer_rnb]

Well, this was my first time playing scum, and I was kind of stunned about what happened.

[Ian Nerr]

Okay, so. After some rum and deliberation, here's what we're going to do and why:

I'mma pull the plug now. Looks like a couple folks have pretty much outed and called it a bust. All things considered, that's fine. It doesn't help that I decided to let this thing run over a busy day for the US. More important things to focus on. That was just a bad call, period.

So we'll call this a wash, let Lisa run her own game, and I'll take a pulse check, run a new sign-up when her game is done. We'll go from there if people are still interested and aren't glued to CNN like I am.

But I will say this: I'm disappointed that people gave up. There was a great opportunity for this to become a pretty epic game. d0t made a real pig's ear out of his revelation and pulled what looks exactly like what we at RnR call a "th1nk3r." If damian or Fuzzy were in raven's place they would have everyone tripping over themselves to vote d0t FINAL by now. That's nothing on raven', per se - she was probably trying to own up to making a mistake. I'm just saying that in mafia, even a mistake like that can be a real victory-from-defeat if you can make the poor, bewildered townie crying "scum! scum!" look like a WIFOM sandwich. d0t would have had his shit pushed in followed shortly by Lisa while the scum laugh all the way to the bank on the confusion.

So yeah, we'll try this again later, after Lisa's game.

In an ordinary game (with full reveal) that wouldn't work, but the way this is set up, d0t's claim would be a valid ploy if he was scum so it would be a guessing game. This would force the priest to out but the scum could counterclaim. Of course, a counterclaim coming from one of the previously listed scum would hardly be believable, but in the meantime, the vigilantes (the two Lisas) are outed and would get taken out quickly.

tl;dr The scum were in a bad spot and probably would have lost, but it wasn't over.

[d0t]

I was 90% sure dancer was scum before d0t's revelation.


but even that "i don't know what dot is pulling" was a weak reply. if d0t was actually lying you'd be putting a vote on d0t immediately and being like "wtf is this waht a terrible scum move"

I don't think anyone would doubt d0t because we know d0t and know he doesn't have a th1nk3rish reputation.

I seriously doubted on who to contact (you or ravenscape), or simply not to contact anyone at all on day 2. But you weren't online and ravenscape seemed very helpful and active in the thread, and there were only 3 scum of which I knew 1, so what are the chances? :D

Anyway, I'll take my seer of the year award now.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Of note: th1nk3r lived through the entire 1.0 game. If he had been scum...

[Reign_Cryogen]

Oh, in case anyone was wondering..

HAMMER was the doctor. Oops.

The scum sleeve brand was Eishundo - ELV was the Miller.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Okay, so. After some rum and deliberation, here's what we're going to do and why:

I'mma pull the plug now. Looks like a couple folks have pretty much outed and called it a bust. All things considered, that's fine. It doesn't help that I decided to let this thing run over a busy day for the US. More important things to focus on. That was just a bad call, period.

So we'll call this a wash, let Lisa run her own game, and I'll take a pulse check, run a new sign-up when her game is done. We'll go from there if people are still interested and aren't glued to CNN like I am.

But I will say this: I'm disappointed that people gave up. There was a great opportunity for this to become a pretty epic game. d0t made a real pig's ear out of his revelation and pulled what looks exactly like what we at RnR call a "th1nk3r." If damian or Fuzzy were in raven's place they would have everyone tripping over themselves to vote d0t FINAL by now. That's nothing on raven', per se - she was probably trying to own up to making a mistake. I'm just saying that in mafia, even a mistake like that can be a real victory-from-defeat if you can make the poor, bewildered townie crying "scum! scum!" look like a WIFOM sandwich. d0t would have had his shit pushed in followed shortly by Lisa while the scum laugh all the way to the bank on the confusion.

So yeah, we'll try this again later, after Lisa's game.

In an ordinary game (with full reveal) that wouldn't work, but the way this is set up, d0t's claim would be a valid ploy if he was scum so it would be a guessing game. This would force the priest to out but the scum could counterclaim. Of course, a counterclaim coming from one of the previously listed scum would hardly be believable, but in the meantime, the vigilantes (the two Lisas) are outed and would get taken out quickly.

tl;dr The scum were in a bad spot and probably would have lost, but it wasn't over.I was mostly thinking of similar, successful plays like that from Fuzzy in the Big Love game and, from what I've heard from damian, trillian in a Werewolf game.

[damian]

Okay, so. After some rum and deliberation, here's what we're going to do and why:

I'mma pull the plug now. Looks like a couple folks have pretty much outed and called it a bust. All things considered, that's fine. It doesn't help that I decided to let this thing run over a busy day for the US. More important things to focus on. That was just a bad call, period.

So we'll call this a wash, let Lisa run her own game, and I'll take a pulse check, run a new sign-up when her game is done. We'll go from there if people are still interested and aren't glued to CNN like I am.

But I will say this: I'm disappointed that people gave up. There was a great opportunity for this to become a pretty epic game. d0t made a real pig's ear out of his revelation and pulled what looks exactly like what we at RnR call a "th1nk3r." If damian or Fuzzy were in raven's place they would have everyone tripping over themselves to vote d0t FINAL by now. That's nothing on raven', per se - she was probably trying to own up to making a mistake. I'm just saying that in mafia, even a mistake like that can be a real victory-from-defeat if you can make the poor, bewildered townie crying "scum! scum!" look like a WIFOM sandwich. d0t would have had his shit pushed in followed shortly by Lisa while the scum laugh all the way to the bank on the confusion.

So yeah, we'll try this again later, after Lisa's game.

In an ordinary game (with full reveal) that wouldn't work, but the way this is set up, d0t's claim would be a valid ploy if he was scum so it would be a guessing game. This would force the priest to out but the scum could counterclaim. Of course, a counterclaim coming from one of the previously listed scum would hardly be believable, but in the meantime, the vigilantes (the two Lisas) are outed and would get taken out quickly.

tl;dr The scum were in a bad spot and probably would have lost, but it wasn't over.I was mostly thinking of similar, successful plays like that from Fuzzy in the Big Love game and, from what I've heard from damian, trillian in a Werewolf game.

also, remember discworld mafia?

[Reign_Cryogen]

Oh, that. Eh. I dunno. Nothing on Luis 'cause he helped me sort out a few things that were wrong with my 1.0 version, but Discworld was what I was hoping to avoid in some ways.

That said, in the interest of fairness to him, that game had a lot more to do with town shooting themselves in the foot over and over again than scum playing well. But I see your point.

[damian]

Oh, that. Eh. I dunno. Nothing on Luis 'cause he helped me sort out a few things that were wrong with my 1.0 version, but Discworld was what I was hoping to avoid in some ways.

That said, in the interest of fairness to him, that game had a lot more to do with town shooting themselves in the foot over and over again than scum playing well. But I see your point.

i wasn't complaining, i was just pointing out that scum was pretty much nailed early with a view, and managed to lie and connive to win.

(also i disagree with the bolded part and think you should apologize)

[Reign_Cryogen]

G'fuck yourself.

[ravenscape]

My apologies to everyone, especially Reign, for screwing up the game. Won't happen again.

[Reign_Cryogen]

Your only mistake was in admitting you made a mistake. :cool:

If I still have time for it after Lisa's game is done, I'll just rewrite the Sharya campaign into Adoración (I'm not as familiar with Catholic fundamentalism, oops).