Anti-vaxxers may be required to go to school
Some Canadian parents who object to vaccines could be forced to take class on immunization science
I'm a bit ambivalent. Of course there's the schadenfreude. But it certainly wouldn't affect the rabid ones at all. And for some reason I see somewhat of a parallel with forcing women who want abortions to attend training, often anti-abortion. |
Hey I have a better idea. Just infect their kids with something they refuse to vaccinate for. That'll demonstrate the point.
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It'll be good experience for them.
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You could get into serious trouble for teaching children how to have sex.
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pervert alert
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Abstinence is a way to have sex in the same way that dehydration is a way to stay hydrated.
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Maybe a little more on the slope of forcing people educate their children, which few people see as a problem. The thing about anti-vaxxers is that they personally will not suffer any consequences from not vaccinating. Their children and other people's children very well may. |
Societies dictate what social realities are, often without reason or evidence. Tradition and culture tends to fixate what people should regard as reasonable.
If anti-vaxxers need educating then so should those who attend cathedrals, temples mosques, and synagogues. Society trains minds in illogic. Should we then be surprised when they express themselves illogically or commit illogical acts? Their position is no less logical or evidence-free than any god-botherer. Society has no right to dictate belief, it does have a right to insist no matter what people believe, they have a duty of care to others. So the ACT, even if motivated by belief, becomes the point where society intervenes. In any event such intervention will be hypocritical, because of the subjective way that different species of woo are treated. More consistency is obviously required. Anti-vaccination woo is a by-product of science denial, but any evidence-free, reason-free belief is a denial of science. Or worse, woolly dualism. We tolerate folks who claim that prayer cured their loved one of cancer. We let the plagiarize for god, but it is the smart physicians, backed by scientific knowledge, that tunes anti-cancer therapies towards success. In any case, it is time we stopped making scapegoats of anti-vaxxers, or for that matter, even radical terrorists for the systemic failures in society for which we all share in the blame. |
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I done quit hangin out with a certain circle of wooist ladyfriends who aint vaxxed their kids, 'cause I got a good buddy with HIV, and we can't risk him gettin sick. I dont wanna carry the chicken pox or measles to my buddy's house when I see him, which is about twice a month, yall. Not vaccinatin... so selfish, so stupid... them idiots do deserve a class. |
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I did have friend (in Canada) who didn't get her children vaccinated because she didn't think the evidence was good enough. Eventually a doctor explained why it was a good thing, and she got them vaccinated. She said "I just wanted to have someone actually explain it".
I do think that sometimes, in their zeal to promote a good thing, health-promotion bodies tend to shoot themselves in the foot by underplaying the real downsides. People like facts, not bullshit, and in any successful vaccination program with a low-risk vaccine, there will come a time when the risk from the vaccine is greater than the risk from the disease it's vaccinating against. At which point, vaccinating your child is for the good of the whole community (including your child) not for your child individually. For your child individually it's better not to be vaccinated - as long as it's only you and a few others. I felt the same about breast-feeding. There are some downsides of breast-feeding - hugely outweighed by the upsides. But people suppress the downsides, so when you come across them (mastitis, let-down pains, breast-milk jaundice, need for more feeds during the night, wet patches on your front, having to feed your baby in a public toilet because stupid people don't want to risk seeing a brief flash of nipple etc) you think you are the only one for whom it doesn't work. People can make sensible choices if they are given good data. But if they mistrust the data, then they can, with some reasonableness, make poor choices. |
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It's why, in my generation, EVERYONE was vaccinated against smallpox, and now very few of us are (I get boosters because I sometimes work with vaccinia). It's also why in the US (probably Europe too... I'll have to look it up) we switched back from the Sabin vaccine to the Salk vaccine. (I think I've explained that before; but I'll go through it again if anyone is puzzled.) |
Well (at Pingu) that's a good reason to craft a careful, honest information course for parents regarding vaccines, including the downsides (besides the rare bad effect, there's also the fact some vaccines don't seem to work very well for some individuals, iirc) and the overwhelming benefits.
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Because once you get through the early stages, it is, pretty well! Apart from the emergence of teeth.... |
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Another pernicious (IMO) meme was the idea that ONE bottle of formula negated the whole thing. I was not well immediately after the birth and couldn't feed, so the nurses gave my son a formula bottle. Some of my La Leche League friends were horrified.
So silly. Apologies for breast-feeding derail, but they aren't entirely irrelevant to each other. La Leche enthusiasts in my experience are also often anti-vaxxers. |
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