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Closing Comments - Lion IRC

Is the continuing dilution of heterosexual, monogamous, committed marriage and the nuclear family a good thing or a bad thing? Is it happening? Does it matter?

The Western generation, which grew up in the brand new era of prenuptial agreements, no-fault divorce, alimony cheques, dead-beat dads, welfare moms, sky-rocketing custody battles,
government funded abortion on-demand of the “unwanted” children and government funded childcare for all the rest, is it any wonder that they are scratching their heads cynically wondering...

...Um, I was all, like, what’s so, like, ya know, um.. sacred about all that, ...like...marriage and stuff anyway



The 1960’s/70’s feminist movement thought that no-fault divorce would liberate ‘wimmin’ but if we are honest, we should admit that it really liberated more men than women.

The my-body-my-choice activists liberated their adulterous husbands and spawned the me, me, me generation of the 80’s and onwards.

And the Internet could not have timed its own arrival more perfectly. The digital baby sitter for neglected kids in basements. The Oracle of Delphi that answers however you want. The repository of 100 billion bloggers all wanting to be heard, and seen and talked about. A 24 hour video channel so everyone can have their 15 MB of fame. A pornucopia treasure trove for hook-up culture hedonists. A megaphone for shouty New Atheists to speak to the rising generation of post-modern angst that wonders if life really is too short, if there really is nothing to worry about, if maybe you should live like there’s no tomorrow.

The dawning of the Age of Aquarius? WOT A JOKE!

...Woke up this morning and my mama was gone -far far far away.
...When ya comin’ home dad? I don’t know when.
...Used-to-be’s don't count anymore, they just lay on the floor till we sweep them away

By the turn of the century light-hearted pop culture was (nervously) playing down the deterioration of the family with wacky sitcom TV shows about 'other' people’s dysfunctional Jerry Springer family lifestyles - the gradual creep from Mike and Carol Brady to Homer Simpson, from Roseanne to Family Guy. From Ward Cleaver to the misanthropic Al Bundy, Two and A Half Men, Raising Hope, Arrested Development...


Modern Families don’t look like this;




They look like this;


And this.



And this.




My main focus in this debate has not been about sexuality it has been about marriage and the family.

Frankly, I wish people would keep their sexuality in the bedroom.

As a child, I don’t remember having gay activists pushing their "marriage equality" agenda in my face and down my throat. They used to mock traditional institutions and concepts like marriage and monogamy.

Back then we didn’t have lobbyists trying to get Sesame Street to depict gay "marriage" (Bert and Ernie).

The word …homosexual? (with a question mark intonation) wasn’t something adult male Scout leaders said in front of 9 year old boys.

They didn’t have Huffington Post or TV shows like Glee back then, so I never knew 7 year old kids were capable of freely deciding they wanted to be gay after watching Glee.

There were no gender identity ''bathroom laws'' when I was in school. Just segregated heterosexual lavatories - Male/Female, Men/Women, Boys/Girls. I guess, back then, they didn’t want school children to associate toilets with homosexuality or bisexuality or men who dress as women.

Now, I’m not a homophobe or a religious hypocrite. I never dragged a gay person before Jesus accusing them and asking what the Law of Moses demands. Nor would I because I have my own sins to worry about.

But since the gay lobby has decided to take their cause into schools, into the Boy Scouts, into children's television shows, into the bathroom laws...yep!

NOW THEY HAVE MY ATTENTION!

They finally crossed the one bridge too far. The hornets nest has been kicked. Gay activists found the straw (inadvertently) needed to break the camels back. The sleeping dog has been woken up. The frog in the simmering pot eventually DID notice the temperature is rising…in the school classroom, in the boy scouts, on kids television, on football fields where our kids can’t use bible verses on their banners!

Well done Dan Savage! Thanks for the wake-up call.

I have presented 5 themes throughout this debate which weigh against the proposition put by Texas Lynn.

* The philosophical dilemma of comparing thing “A” with thing “B” and knowing that we have good reason to discriminate between fake and real, between religion and non-stamp collecting, between gender and sexual preference. Texas Lynn squibbed this point.

* The jurisdictional autonomy of like-minded people to say “we vote no” and to challenge the subjective special pleading of other jurisdictions or voters who claim (without warrant) the divine right to rule and make moral law assertions over others. If you really do support ‘equality’ and freedom, then 1 vote = 1 value is the highest expression of that democratic principle. Texas Lynn conceded this point.

* The evolutionary biology, the hard and soft science of SOGI does NOT support the Argumentum ad Misericordiam used by LGBTQI folk about the myth of inherited homosexuality. Marriage is a fundamentally heterosexual template for that which flows from human courtship and mate selection – the family and the future generations of offspring which our selfish (heterosexual) DNA want to survive.