Can any Good come from Deontology?

rainbow · 07-27-2015, 06:35 AM

If so, who decides?

Testycalibrated · 07-27-2015, 06:44 AM

Good can be found in anything.

odd · 07-27-2015, 06:56 AM

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Good can be found in anything.

cultsmasher

Hárbarðr · 07-27-2015, 08:16 AM

If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 07-29-2015, 02:37 AM

We can imagine someone thinking they're not supposed to e.g. hurt people under any circumstances. Maybe they get angry, and are about to hit someone, but then remember their beliefs, and hold back. So that would be an obvious case of deontology being good. We can also imagine this person allowing someone else to be victimized when they could have stepped in, so it's a mixed bag, there. Still, the answer to the first question is "yes".

As for who decides, I think there are some cases of fairly clear cut right and wrong, we can use to kind of feel out various systems of ethics. I'm not sure the question should be "who decides", but what, and I would say our sense of morality.

Testycalibrated · 07-29-2015, 03:12 AM

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Good can be found in anything.

cultsmasher

Even cultsmasher.

Jet Black · 08-03-2015, 08:41 AM

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Good can be found in anything.

cultsmasher

Cultsmasher has brought a sense of fellowship and camaraderie to the forum.

rainbow · 08-03-2015, 09:11 AM

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Good can be found in anything.

cultsmasher

Who is cuntsmasher?

Jet Black · 08-03-2015, 01:19 PM

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Jet Black · 08-03-2015, 01:21 PM

eta: the standard non-mod response to your question is "ur mom"

rainbow · 08-04-2015, 10:24 AM

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Sounds like a tasty dinner guest.

borealis · 08-04-2015, 12:13 PM

Please consume him with fire.

rainbow · 08-04-2015, 12:29 PM

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If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Says who?

rainbow · 08-04-2015, 12:30 PM

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Please consume him with fire.

Lightly breaded with a touch of lemon juice, perhaps?

borealis · 08-04-2015, 12:34 PM

I am really uncertain about the effects of his toxicity. Recommend not actually using him as food.

Jet Black · 08-04-2015, 01:57 PM

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He's our all new Neo Nazi White Supremacist Holocaust Denier Spamertroll. Banned from everywhere else including such upstanding sites as Stormfront, he has finally chanced upon this little corner of the internet. Join in discussions with him for merriment and high jinks.

Sounds like a tasty dinner guest.

well he denies the large scale use of certain ovens, so I'm sure that there would be plenty use in them if you wanted to cook him.

praying · 08-05-2015, 06:26 PM

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Good can be found in anything.

cultsmasher

Even cultsmasher.

borealis · 08-05-2015, 06:27 PM

Maybe he's kind to his dear old granny.

Hárbarðr · 08-06-2015, 09:44 AM

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If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Says who?

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

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the Right is said to have priority over the Good

rainbow · 08-06-2015, 10:03 AM

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If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Says who?

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

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the Right is said to have priority over the Good

Then you misread it.
Having priority does not imply the elimination of Good.
...so some Good might come from it.

Hárbarðr · 08-06-2015, 11:43 AM

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If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Says who?

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

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the Right is said to have priority over the Good

Then you misread it.
Having priority does not imply the elimination of Good.
...so some Good might come from it.

Yes it might, but it's need not, it's just a bonus.

When the choices are

Right but not Good
Good but not RIght

Deontology says choose 1.

I'm thinking you are the one who misread it.

rainbow · 08-14-2015, 09:43 AM

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If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Says who?

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

:

the Right is said to have priority over the Good

Then you misread it.
Having priority does not imply the elimination of Good.
...so some Good might come from it.

Yes it might, but it's need not, it's just a bonus.

When the choices are

Right but not Good
Good but not RIght

Deontology says choose 1.

I'm thinking you are the one who misread it.

What is the title of the thread?

Hárbarðr · 08-19-2015, 12:01 PM

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If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

Says who?

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

:

the Right is said to have priority over the Good

Then you misread it.
Having priority does not imply the elimination of Good.
...so some Good might come from it.

Yes it might, but it's need not, it's just a bonus.

When the choices are

Right but not Good
Good but not RIght

Deontology says choose 1.

I'm thinking you are the one who misread it.

What is the title of the thread?

The title of the thread ask a question that is moot if deontology is right.
Are you saying that if deontology is wrong, asking whether good can come of it is a question with potentially interesting answers?
If so, please share your thoughts.

rainbow · 09-17-2015, 10:36 AM

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Says who?

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

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the Right is said to have priority over the Good

Then you misread it.
Having priority does not imply the elimination of Good.
...so some Good might come from it.

Yes it might, but it's need not, it's just a bonus.

When the choices are

Right but not Good
Good but not RIght

Deontology says choose 1.

I'm thinking you are the one who misread it.

What is the title of the thread?

The title of the thread ask a question that is moot if deontology is right.

Exactly.

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Are you saying that if deontology is wrong, asking whether good can come of it is a question with potentially interesting answers?
If so, please share your thoughts.

No, I'm pointing out an internal contradiction.
If we can determine a difference between what is "right" and what is "good", then who determines this?
Is the implication that what are in essence are subjective concepts, are in fact universal values?
Again if so, who says so?

Hárbarðr · 09-17-2015, 12:44 PM

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Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Then you misread it.
Having priority does not imply the elimination of Good.
...so some Good might come from it.

Yes it might, but it's need not, it's just a bonus.

When the choices are

Right but not Good
Good but not RIght

Deontology says choose 1.

I'm thinking you are the one who misread it.

What is the title of the thread?

The title of the thread ask a question that is moot if deontology is right.

Exactly.

:

Are you saying that if deontology is wrong, asking whether good can come of it is a question with potentially interesting answers?
If so, please share your thoughts.

No, I'm pointing out an internal contradiction.
If we can determine a difference between what is "right" and what is "good", then who determines this?

I suppose deontology offloads this resposibility to some external authoritative source: God, Marx, a book, etc.

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Is the implication that what are in essence are subjective concepts, are in fact universal values?

Who decides that these concepts are "in essence subjective"? You? Can essences even be subjective?

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Again if so, who says so?

Whatever was chosen as the authoritative source says so.

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borealis cruel but fair Admin : Oct 2008 : Canada : 27,030	I am really uncertain about the effects of his toxicity. Recommend not actually using him as food. __________________ “What is important is to spread confusion, not eliminate it.” ― Salvador Dalí

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Hárbarðr Senior Member : Nov 2009 : 3,945	If Deontology is right, no good needs to come from it.

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Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet Senior Member : Sep 2013 : 2,700	We can imagine someone thinking they're not supposed to e.g. hurt people under any circumstances. Maybe they get angry, and are about to hit someone, but then remember their beliefs, and hold back. So that would be an obvious case of deontology being good. We can also imagine this person allowing someone else to be victimized when they could have stepped in, so it's a mixed bag, there. Still, the answer to the first question is "yes". As for who decides, I think there are some cases of fairly clear cut right and wrong, we can use to kind of feel out various systems of ethics. I'm not sure the question should be "who decides", but what, and I would say our sense of morality.

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borealis cruel but fair Admin : Oct 2008 : Canada : 27,030	Maybe he's kind to his dear old granny. __________________ “What is important is to spread confusion, not eliminate it.” ― Salvador Dalí

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