Who else is "Not a Christian"?

Mike PSS · 02-19-2016, 12:50 PM

The Pope's tut-tutting of Trump's plan to build a wall as "unchristian" is just the most recent declaration of heresy by the Catholic Church.

What's interesting today is the broad swath of Christian denominations that are deemed heretical and thus "Not Christian".

But who decides?

The Bible states in Matthew 16:13-19 that Peter is empowered as head of the Christian Church on the earth, and thus what he decides on earth will be supported in heaven. Thus we see Peter as the first Pope.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...9&version=AKJV

Most theology professors agree with this. And thus the primacy of the Pope, and of the Catholic Church is established in scripture.

Then you add all the other churches established by all the other Apostles and you have the body of Christiandom that is thought to be the "one true church".

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The phrase "One, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church" appears in the Nicene Creed (μίαν, ἁγίαν, καθολικὴν καὶ ἀποστολικὴν Ἐκκλησίαν) and, in part, in the Apostles' Creed ("the holy catholic church", sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, which in Greek would be: ἁγίαν καθολικὴν Ἐκκλησίαν).[56][57] The phrase is intended to set forth the four marks, or identifying signs, of the Christian Church—unity, holiness, universality, and apostolicity—and is based on the premise that all true Christians form a single united group founded by the apostles.[58]

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Now, the Catholic Church has scripture to support it's position as representative of the "one true church" of Christ. And it also has scripture to bind all Christian followers to it's Papal decisions via the authority passed down by none other than Jesus himself in Matthew 16.

So therefore, historically and through to modernity, the Catholic Pope's decision on who is a christian and who isn't is actually binding ... "and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven".

Well, there are also historic decisions of who is Christian and who isn't, in other words those "other" Christian churches who are considered in communion with Rome and those that are not.

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Already in the 2nd century, Christians denounced teachings that they saw as heresies, especially Gnosticism but also Montanism.

Many Protestants believe that the Christian Church, as described in the Bible, has a twofold character that can be described as the visible and invisible church.
For the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, making a real distinction between "the heavenly and invisible Church, alone true and absolute" and "the earthly Church (or rather "the churches"), imperfect and relative" is a "Nestorian ecclesiology"[50] and is thus deemed by both as heretical.

So whether the arguments between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches carry on or not, they both agree that final salvation can only come from communion within the body of these churches.

Which means that many protestant and other "christian" churches are actually heretical and outside the writ of the Bible itself.

The Pope should come out and declare all the "Church of God" denominations heretical and non-Christian too.

SkepticTank · 02-20-2016, 09:23 AM

It's you. You are the not Christian.

osmanthus · 02-20-2016, 09:27 AM

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The Pope's tut-tutting of Trump's plan to build a wall as "unchristian" is just the most recent declaration of heresy by the Catholic Church.

The really funny thing here is that the Vatican has a wall around it. Built by popes. To keep people out.

SkepticTank · 02-20-2016, 09:31 AM

Thanks for explaining.

osmanthus · 02-20-2016, 09:40 AM

No worries. I figured you might need a bit of help with the conceptual shit.

Mike PSS · 02-21-2016, 12:30 AM

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It's you. You are the not Christian.

Nope, I freely admit such. With time I've found the whole exercise somewhat disturbing. Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses are not so much extreme but only slightly bent compared to the rest of the christian world.

I think it's the hypocrisy of the whole exercise that is revealing. The Catholics have the argument correct that the Pope and Apostolic succession and their eschatology IS the correct view of the Bible and christiandom. Yet there is so much hate and rebellion within the church itself that there is some interest that it survives.

From someone like myself looking in, George Carlin gets it correct.

George Carlin --- Religion is Bullshit - YouTube

George Carlin - 10 Commandments - YouTube

Swearing on the Bible - George Carlin - YouTube

Nevertheless · 02-23-2016, 09:12 AM

Pope is a liberal. Many Catholics are either liberals or evolutionists. Look at the Latin American countries, they usually vote for the leftist parties. Trump seems right.

Mike PSS · 02-23-2016, 11:14 AM

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Pope is a liberal. Many Catholics are either liberals or evolutionists. Look at the Latin American countries, they usually vote for the leftist parties. Trump seems right.

So you agree that the Catholic Church is the only "true christian church", along with others in communion with the Roman Church?

Bilirubin · 02-24-2016, 04:52 AM

Its all been downhill since the Nicean split. Coptic Church one true church.

Brother Daniel · 02-24-2016, 06:35 PM

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Its all been downhill since the Nicean split. Coptic Church one true church.

If the Copts are the true church, maybe you mean the Chalcedonian split?

gandalf · 02-25-2016, 03:43 PM

Where duz ras tafariz fit on that chart

ksen · 02-25-2016, 04:35 PM

Jesus was not a christian.

PerseusOmega9 · 02-25-2016, 04:57 PM

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Its all been downhill since the Nicean split. Coptic Church one true church.

If the Copts are the true church, maybe you mean the Chalcedonian split?

Let's not forget the Arians who were probably closer to the real root of Christianity in the "two powers" controversy in Judaism as it merged with platonic thought post temple destruction and pre-nicea

Bilirubin · 02-26-2016, 01:13 AM

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Its all been downhill since the Nicean split. Coptic Church one true church.

If the Copts are the true church, maybe you mean the Chalcedonian split?

whoa that's a whole lot of splitting going on

Brother Daniel · 02-26-2016, 01:33 AM

yeah and that's just the 4th and 5th centuries.

Mike PSS · 02-26-2016, 11:40 AM

Mike PSS · 02-26-2016, 11:45 AM

Mike PSS · 02-26-2016, 11:48 AM

Mike PSS · 02-26-2016, 11:49 AM

Mike PSS · 02-26-2016, 11:50 AM

And on and on and on and on....

The Protestant reformation kind of opened up the splits since there was no more central orthodoxy to hold a single church together. So any charismatic preacher could gather a flock and declare a church.

Mike PSS · 02-26-2016, 11:51 AM

Your guide to choosing a church.

Bilirubin · 02-28-2016, 05:10 AM

Zondervan publishing is based in my hometown. The buckle on the Bible Belt.

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Nevertheless Senior Member : Oct 2012 : 738	Pope is a liberal. Many Catholics are either liberals or evolutionists. Look at the Latin American countries, they usually vote for the leftist parties. Trump seems right.

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