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02-28-2016, 04:55 PM | #2620782 / #26 | |||||||
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So I think my point still stands. In a monotheistic tradition, for now including Christianity, you can't invoke additional deities to explain natural phenomena independently. It pushes you toward an explanatory system that makes some kind of unitary sense. At least that was what I was trying to day. :
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02-28-2016, 05:29 PM | #2620789 / #27 | ||
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Does that mean that my sister was two people?
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02-28-2016, 05:39 PM | #2620791 / #28 | ||
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But I suppose the religions that invoke and involve all those aren't really monotheistic. Just there's one head god. Sort of like Odin or Zeus. Oops, back to the whole gamut of supernaturality. And, as noted, there's always the Big Guy or Gal or It. Prayer is recommended to seek their aid. Nah, I don't see it at all. Collapsing many gods to one with a lot of assistants and even without a lot of assistants isn't really a step forward. Just a reorganization. But that's mostly because religions and their subject are mostly the figments of the imagination. Of humans.
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02-28-2016, 05:50 PM | #2620797 / #32 | ||||||||
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The Catholic Church creates Saints all the time, well, a couple every decade or two, and the basic criterion is that they did magic, made a miracle. Blows your definition out the door. The Catholic Church is Christianity. It's the only church sanctioned by the Bible and Jesus. There has been no word from on high to either decertify the Catholic Church or to certify any other.
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02-28-2016, 05:55 PM | #2620800 / #33 | ||
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Kind of silly to be making philosophical arguments about imaginary beings.
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02-28-2016, 06:47 PM | #2620810 / #34 | ||
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02-28-2016, 06:52 PM | #2620818 / #35 |
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And that explanation is that God did it, instead of some specialist god did it. This is antithetical to 'there are regularities, let's figure them out'. If there's a God, nothing is supposed to make sense to us, since God has free will, his ways are mysterious and he can and will intervene in worldly affairs. The very existence of physical laws or indeed any sort of regularity is incompatible with such a god.
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02-28-2016, 07:30 PM | #2620832 / #39 |
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Well, let me clarify, as I honestly didn't think I'd said anything particularly controversial.
I don't mean that science would have been impossible without Christianity, or indeed monotheism. But I think the kind of metaphysical view that tries to see the world as a set of self-consistent interlocking mechanisms is probably more compatible with (and might even contribute to the development of) a monotheistic religion than a polytheistic one. To the extent that Christianity is polytheistic, and there are senses in which it has been, that may have gone the other way. But if you think that you can explain individual phenomena, like tornadoes or waves, or clouds, or lightning, or floods, or the moon phases by invoking separate sentient agents, I think you are less likely to develop a self-consistent science than if you are trying to figure out the mind of some more or less unitary deity. But possibly not. It seems to me it's perfectly arguable, though, and not demolished by the Trinity, or saints or anything else, although I expect they get in the way as much as water sprites and demons do.
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02-28-2016, 07:31 PM | #2620834 / #40 |
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I probably don't, teeth!, so do please explain it to me.
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02-28-2016, 07:33 PM | #2620835 / #41 | |
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02-28-2016, 07:36 PM | #2620837 / #42 | |
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AFAICT pagans did try to figure out the world around them, and did manage to figure out some of the things that made it work. They just reserved supernatural causes for the bits they didn't understand yet. Just like Christians. |
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02-28-2016, 07:37 PM | #2620840 / #44 | ||||||
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But in any case, I'm not arguing that Christianity is the reason for science. I'm arguing that, possibly, the idea of monotheism and science are related.
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02-28-2016, 07:38 PM | #2620841 / #45 | ||
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02-28-2016, 07:40 PM | #2620843 / #47 |
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02-28-2016, 07:40 PM | #2620844 / #48 |
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It might explain why it was once a great leader in astronomy.
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