Was Most Terrestrial Life Destroyed by a Global Flood ~4500 Years Ago?

Jet Black · 02-21-2016, 05:09 PM

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Let me remind you…

We have billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth… not to mention that we have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

And ... No currently operating processes could possibly be extrapolated over millions or billions of years to produce anything remotely similar to what we see in the geological record no matter what type of pretzel logic or intellectual gymnastics are employed.

" no evidence to ignore"

Lol

None of that shit has anything to do with the thread Dave. Stop trying to derail with propaganda song lyrics.

Entropy · 02-21-2016, 05:18 PM

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Let me remind you…

We have billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth…

How does a flood deposit limestone? How did layers of volcanic material get laid down between your flood layers?

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not to mention that we have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Got a list, David?

VoxRat · 02-21-2016, 05:25 PM

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Let me remind you…

We have billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth…

Yes.
And those rock layers turn out to be many millions of years old.
As determined by radiometric dating.
Against which you have yet to raise a single objection that withstands the slightest scrutiny.

Fail.

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not to mention that we have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Bullshit.

Even if it were true, folklore is not evidence.
And how would any of these folklore "historians" be in a position to know the extent of any flood they might have witnessed, heard about, or heard the n^th generation retelling of?

OHSU · 02-21-2016, 05:29 PM

It astounds me that Davie thinks those things are evidence for the bible.

The number, type, distribution, and variety of fossils makes it impossible that they were buried during a global flood. If all of those plants and animals had been alive on the earth before The Flood^TM, the earth would have been completely covered many meters deep with lifeforms, packed together lIke sardines..

The only possible way they all could have inhabited the earth, lived their lives, died, and been buried is a few at a time over a very long period. There are simply far too many fossils.

And the fact that many cultures all over the earth have flood myths is evidence AGAINST the biblical version of a flood! In the biblical version, all those cultures were wiped out, you fuckwit. They wouldn't have survived to talk about it if it had actually happened! How do you not grasp this?

This has long struck me as one of the stupidest arguments In favor of the flood. "Many cultures all around the world speak of a global flood... that killed everyone off." You seriously can't see the problem here?

Bwahahahaha!!

Faid · 02-21-2016, 05:33 PM

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Let me remind you…

We have billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth… not to mention that we have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

And ... No currently operating processes could possibly be extrapolated over millions or billions of years to produce anything remotely similar to what we see in the geological record no matter what type of pretzel logic or intellectual gymnastics are employed.

" no evidence to ignore"

Lol

LOL indeed.

What, exactly, in your "billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth" mantra, cannot be produced over "currently operating processes"?

Remember: We can readily provide a whole LIST of features that your Flood could not possibly have produced. You know them all of course, but it's trivial to post some of them again.

Can you provide us with ONE feature an old Earth cannot account for? And your Fludde theory can?

Inb4 "Yeah well, Flood legends"!!!

buttershug · 02-21-2016, 05:37 PM

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Let me remind you…

We have billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth… not to mention that we have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

And ... No currently operating processes could possibly be extrapolated over millions or billions of years to produce anything remotely similar to what we see in the geological record no matter what type of pretzel logic or intellectual gymnastics are employed.

" no evidence to ignore"

Lol

LOL indeed.

What, exactly, in your "billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth" mantra, cannot be produced over "currently operating processes"?

Remember: We can readily provide a whole LIST of features that your Flood could not possibly have produced. You know them all of course, but it's trivial to post some of them again.

Can you provide us with ONE feature an old Earth cannot account for? And your Fludde theory can?

Inb4 "Yeah well, Flood legends"!!!

He put in the unnecessary and invalid stipulation of "currently operating processes".

Faid · 02-21-2016, 05:42 PM

BTW, I totally called it:

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Now that dave essentially admitted that there's no direct connection between Hartnett's claims and RM dating, I wonder why he even brought Hartnett in the discussion in the first place.

Since he's admitted that his line of reasoning (for lack of a better word) is "The Universe is young because of X, therefore it can't be old, therefore RM dating is flawed", what's the point in getting his precious little mind confused with dark energy and matter and different time dimensions and all that?

Why not just say "Billionz of dead things, therefore RM dating is flawed"? Or "Flood legends, therefore RM dating is flawed"?

It's exactly the same form of argument, and it's as good as its premises (stated and implied).

But I suspect he only did it to razzle-dazzle us with YEC Science^(TM).

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Now ... with the understanding that we cannot be super dogmatic about any model

says the guy who absolutely insists that the earth is only a few thousand years old.

There is far more evidence in favor of a young earth than an old earth. It's just that people like you ignore it.

Lemme guess...

"BILLIONZ OF DEAD THINGS"!!!!!

"OMG FLOOD LEGENDS"!!!!!!

Anything else?

Pingu · 02-21-2016, 08:34 PM

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We're not ignoring "all the evidence for the fludde and AND". There simply isn't any to ignore.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Well, there isn't, Dave.

Nothing that oceans can't explain. Unless you want to call the fact that much of the modern landmass was once ocean, a "Flood".

In which case sure.

It just wasn't 4,000 years ago.

Steviepinhead · 02-21-2016, 10:07 PM

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Let me remind you…

We … have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Dave, I have comprehensively rebutted this completely bogus claim at least three different times, and reminded you that I have done so on several additonal occasions.

You have NEVAH addressed the rebuttal. You lose on this, and you're trying to ignore the existence of the rebuttal and the actual state of play just highlights what a dishonest lying asshat you are.

Now that you have brilliantly figured out to do a multiword search filtered by poster -- having your hand held every fricking step of the way -- you are welcome to go back and ATTEMPT a rebuttal. It will fail.

UNTIL you summon up the cojones to make this attempt, you are making a meaningless, empty, vacuous claim which no one will pay the slightest attention to, and that's exactly the amount of attention it deserves: none whatsoever.

fredbear · 02-21-2016, 10:45 PM

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Let me remind you…

We … have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Dave, I have comprehensively rebutted this completely bogus claim at least three different times, and reminded you that I have done so on several additonal occasions.

You have NEVAH addressed the rebuttal. You lose on this, and you're trying to ignore the existence of the rebuttal and the actual state of play just highlights what a dishonest lying asshat you are.

Now that you have brilliantly figured out to do a multiword search filtered by poster -- having your hand held every fricking step of the way -- you are welcome to go back and ATTEMPT a rebuttal. It will fail.

UNTIL you summon up the cojones to make this attempt, you are making a meaningless, empty, vacuous claim which no one will pay the slightest attention to, and that's exactly the amount of attention it deserves: none whatsoever.

Afdave’s Fifth Law: The truth of all previously established facts and conclusions are subject to their being convenient to the argument I am presently making

Steviepinhead · 02-22-2016, 02:24 AM

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It astounds me that Davie thinks those things are evidence for the bible.

The number, type, distribution, and variety of fossils makes it impossible that they were buried during a global flood. If all of those plants and animals had been alive on the earth before The Flood^TM, the earth would have been completely covered many meters deep with lifeforms, packed together lIke sardines..

The only possible way they all could have inhabited the earth, lived their lives, died, and been buried is a few at a time over a very long period. There are simply far too many fossils.

And the fact that many cultures all over the earth have flood myths is evidence AGAINST the biblical version of a flood! In the biblical version, all those cultures were wiped out, you fuckwit. They wouldn't have survived to talk about it if it had actually happened! How do you not grasp this?

This has long struck me as one of the stupidest arguments In favor of the flood. "Many cultures all around the world speak of a global flood... that killed everyone off." You seriously can't see the problem here?

Bwahahahaha!!

It might occur to someone smarter than Dave (which is to say, most of the people on the planet), to argue that all the cultures across the world have flood stories derived from the Bible flood story because the flood survivors (Noah's family) were the ancestors of the people making up all those cultures.

But we know the general lines along which the world was settled, supported by genetic evidence (the same evidence that Dave would have no problem with if it were presented in a genealogical or medical or criminal context): out of Africa etc. So we know humanity didn't spread from a Middle Eastern locus in the first place, but from an African one (though the Middle East would have been a gateway through which much of the rest of the world was accessed).

So the alleged dispersal of *the* flood story should match the paleontological, archaeological, genetic, etc. evidence of the sequence of settlement of the world.

But, of course, it doesn't. Except in the immediate vicinity of the Near East, we don't get a smooth gradient of Bible-like flood stories that matches the pattern of dispersal of peoples. Instead, Bible-like flood stories are scattered around haphazardly, likely due to the influence of early missionaries and the like on the peoples from whom those stories were collected. And then we get a huge variety of other variations -- including no flood stories, ones in which the cause, motive, characters, results, and motifs very tremendously, and so on. The flood was caused by a shaman. The flood was caused by the Inuit deity Sedna. The flood explains fossils found eroding high on mountainsides. The flood bubbled out of the underworld, with no rain. Boats or canoes allowed people to escape. A supernatural beaver or muskrat brought mud up from the bottom of the water world to build a refuge. On and on in endless variations, many of which don't resemble the Bible version much more than in having the world "flood" involved...

Tsunamis, end-ice-age melting, river flooding... There are dozens of local explanations for why people (almost all of whom live along lakes, rivers, streams, or ocean margins) would have their own flood stories, or would borrow them from neighbors much more immediate than the people at the eastern end of the Mediterranean.

And, of course, you'd expect to see a similar outward-spreading ripple centered around the Middle East of ... EVERYTHING: the dispersal of wild and domesticated plants and animals, the spread of cultures and lifeways, the spread of agriculture and architecture, etc.

We see some of this with regard to the advent of agriculture, settled villages and urban centers, and the neolithic, at least with regard to southern Eurasia. But we don't see it with regard to many other things, for example, if Noah already had command of agriculture, a pastoral economy, carpentry and boat building, etc., then everybody should have taken those cultural elements with them as they spread outward. But, of course, that's not at all what the European explorers encountered when they began encountering the rest of the world's languages and cultures: instead they found a bewildering variety of languages, lifeways, architectures, and so on that bore little resemblance to the Biblical society.

Likewise, the distribution of OTHER stories, legends, myths, and oral literature ought to parallel that of the (non-existent) spread of the flood story. But, uh, nope...

As I told Dave long ago, folklorists and linguists have compiled and indexed a huge mass of the world's various myth-motifs over the course of the last couple of centuries, and the pattern of borrowings, inversions, etc., is much more complicated than any simple outward ripple from the Tigris-Eurphrates uplands could explain.

And, of course, evidence of human habitation everywhere goes back much further than Dave's 6-10 k years.

The genetics also provide a means of dating the divergence of populations (and that's just looking at us comparatively-recent humans, and not at the staggeringly ancient divisions of the kingdoms of life, the animal phyla, etc., etc., etc.). Genetic "Eve" and "Adam" don't date to four or six or eight thousand years, but to tens or hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Neandertals were mating with humans 60 thousand years ago (likely somewhere in the MidEast). Human were mating with Neandertals upwards of 100 thousand years ago, somewhere in Eurasia.

NONE OF IT, none of these lines of evidence or any of literally hundreds or thousands of others, many of which have no arguable religious or old-earth "agenda," works for YEC or for Dave.

It's like he's sitting in the middle of an endless minefield, afraid to move, flick a pebble, or breathe too hard.

While proclaiming himself the battlefield victor, lol.

It's droll, but it's also pathetic, and Dave's been stuck in that pathetic mode for a very long time now.

If some of life's goals are growth, learning, individuation... Well, Dave's entirely missed the boat.

Not that there was any big dumb square rudder-less animal-poop-packed boat in the first fricking place.

Steviepinhead · 02-22-2016, 03:29 AM

Of course, for those who know anything whatsoever about indigenous peoples and cultures (which leaves Dave out, as he's amply demonstrated, despite the opportunity that was served up to him by his missionary heritage to know at least one indigenous culture in some detail), it's deeply insulting to suggest that the indigenous cultures all over the world are just pale imitations of some MidEastern "original."

The whole notion is beyond idiotic.

Not that that's ever stopped Dave from flinging himself headlong into yet another abyss of stoopid.

OHSU · 02-22-2016, 04:16 AM

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Let me remind you…

We … have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Dave, I have comprehensively rebutted this completely bogus claim at least three different times, and reminded you that I have done so on several additonal occasions.

You have NEVAH addressed the rebuttal. You lose on this, and you're trying to ignore the existence of the rebuttal and the actual state of play just highlights what a dishonest lying asshat you are.

Now that you have brilliantly figured out to do a multiword search filtered by poster -- having your hand held every fricking step of the way -- you are welcome to go back and ATTEMPT a rebuttal. It will fail.

UNTIL you summon up the cojones to make this attempt, you are making a meaningless, empty, vacuous claim which no one will pay the slightest attention to, and that's exactly the amount of attention it deserves: none whatsoever.

Could you link this for those of us too lazy to look? I'd love to read your discussion... just not enough to look for it.

OHSU · 02-22-2016, 04:55 AM

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It might occur to someone smarter than Dave (which is to say, most of the people on the planet), to argue that all the cultures across the world have flood stories derived from the Bible flood story because the flood survivors (Noah's family) were the ancestors of the people making up all those cultures.

You know, of all the people I've heard try to support The Flood with this argument about cultures all over the world having flood myths, I've never observed a single one make the obvious connection that the only way this observation could validate the bible is if all the cultures of the world descended from Noah's family.

I get it. I got it immediately. In fact I was raised by a biblical literalist, so I was taught as a child that everyone descends from Noah's family. I just love the look on people's faces when I point out the obvious, because most of them had never thought that far ahead (incredibly).

They're speechless because they're not prepared to adopt the conclusion that derives from their own argument.

It is so obvious to most people that Africans in all their many variations, Australian aborigines, Native Americans in all their varieties, Arabs, Persians, Siberian reindeer herders, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Pacific Islanders in all their many varieties, Europeans of all their various flavors, etc... All these races and all their cultures and languages could not have arisen from a single family that lived 4,500 years ago. This is REALLY obvious. To everyone.

So, they say "cultures everywhere have flood myths" but they imagine each of those cultures somehow experiencing the flood each in their own way. I think they're trying to argue for some version of a regional flood, various regional floods, or some other interpretation that saves the bible by making the flood a real event, just not the complete global catastrophe a literal reading requires.

When confronted with the fact that widely dispersed cultures can't recall an event they didn't a) witness or b) survive, they abandon the whole argument because no matter how stupid they may be, they're not going to try to argue that everyone on earth actually descends from Noah's family.

Of course, we're not talking about Dave here. Dave is a unique category of stupid.

Steviepinhead · 02-22-2016, 05:08 AM

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Let me remind you…

We … have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Dave, I have comprehensively rebutted this completely bogus claim at least three different times, and reminded you that I have done so on several additonal occasions.

You have NEVAH addressed the rebuttal. You lose on this, and you're trying to ignore the existence of the rebuttal and the actual state of play just highlights what a dishonest lying asshat you are.

Now that you have brilliantly figured out to do a multiword search filtered by poster -- having your hand held every fricking step of the way -- you are welcome to go back and ATTEMPT a rebuttal. It will fail.

UNTIL you summon up the cojones to make this attempt, you are making a meaningless, empty, vacuous claim which no one will pay the slightest attention to, and that's exactly the amount of attention it deserves: none whatsoever.

Could you link this for those of us too lazy to look? I'd love to read your discussion... just not enough to look for it.

Well, probably not right away. I'd certainly do it for you long before I would bother doing it for Dave, but I've got a lot on my plate at the moment, so it may be a while before I get around to it.

If he doubts that I've rebutted his crap claim, or if he somehow believes he ever made any substantive response to that rebuttal, then it's up to him to demonstrate it.

Pingu · 02-22-2016, 06:07 AM

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Let me remind you…

We … have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Dave, I have comprehensively rebutted this completely bogus claim at least three different times, and reminded you that I have done so on several additonal occasions.

You have NEVAH addressed the rebuttal. You lose on this, and you're trying to ignore the existence of the rebuttal and the actual state of play just highlights what a dishonest lying asshat you are.

Now that you have brilliantly figured out to do a multiword search filtered by poster -- having your hand held every fricking step of the way -- you are welcome to go back and ATTEMPT a rebuttal. It will fail.

UNTIL you summon up the cojones to make this attempt, you are making a meaningless, empty, vacuous claim which no one will pay the slightest attention to, and that's exactly the amount of attention it deserves: none whatsoever.

Do you have links, Stevie? I'd like to read your rebuttals.

Elsewhere, I did very much enjoy this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Ark-Befo.../dp/B00BMUVVS2

Pingu · 02-22-2016, 06:24 AM

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Let me remind you…

We have billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth…

Because most of the earth has been at the bottom of an ocean at some time. Does it never strike you as odd that the vast majority of "dead things" are marine?

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not to mention that we have hundreds of traditions from cultures all over the world telling about a global flood.

Which can be readily explained by the ubiquity of flooding.

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And ... No currently operating processes could possibly be extrapolated over millions or billions of years to produce anything remotely similar to what we see in the geological record no matter what type of pretzel logic or intellectual gymnastics are employed.

That's fine - some were generated by not-currently-operating processes (but not by any not-currently operating physics, unlike RATE's AND).

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" no evidence to ignore"

Lol

No evidence that has been ignored, certainly. These are PRATTs Dave.

Not only have they not been ignored, the "mainstream" model i.e. the vast body of science across many demains explains it all BETTER and more SELF-CONSITENTLY (by many orders of magnitude) and than YEC, without recourse to ad hoc miracles including traceless periods of massively accelerated nuclear decay.

This post of yours is basically an admission that you can come up with NO "assumption in radiometric dating" that requires any justification that has not alrealdy been provided.

You are left naked with with nothing but your refusal to believe the answer.

I am increasingly convinced that at some level you know this.

Steviepinhead · 02-22-2016, 06:39 AM

Okay, here's one such discussion. There may be more discussion down thread, but I didn't look.

I know I analyzed at least one Native American myth, and that I've told Dave (probably more than once) about the Stith Thompson index of myth-motifs. Maybe I'll get a chance to poke around later this week.

Barbarian · 02-22-2016, 06:41 AM

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Sithrak will make your punishment especially unpleasant.

The canon is clear: nothing you do can make your fate any worse. So technically you are spreading heresy, although it won't make your fate any worse.

Steviepinhead · 02-22-2016, 06:51 AM

This group of Native North American myths all have a similar theme of animals diving for mud to make a new land surface after the flood, which seems to ring a bell (though not a particularly Noachian bell):

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Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence):
Messou was hunting with his dogs, when his dogs got caught in a large lake. He couldn't find them until a bird told him that it had seen the lost dogs in the lake. Messou entered the lake to rescue them, but the lake overflowed, covered the land, and destroyed the world. Messou sent first a raven and then an otter to find a piece of earth, but neither could find any. He next sent down a muskrat, which dived and returned with just a tiny amount of land, but enough for Messou to form the land we are on. Messou fired arrows into the trunks of trees, and the arrows turned into branches. He took revenge on those who had detained his dogs. He married the muskrat and by it peopled the world. [Brinton, p. 225]

Being angry with giants, God commanded a man to build a large canoe. The man did so, and when he embarked, the water rose till no land was visible anywhere. Weary of seeing nothing but water, the man threw an otter into it. The otter dived and brought up a little mud, which the man breathed on and caused to expand. He placed the earth on the water and prevented it from sinking. After awhile, he placed reindeer on the new island, but they completed a circuit of the island quickly, so he concluded it wasn't yet large enough. He continued to blow on it and grow it so the mountains, lakes, and rivers were formed; then he disembarked. [Gaster, p. 117]
Micmac and Penobscot (eastern Maritime Canada):
Kuloscap (Glooscap) defeated the cruel Ice Giant magicians at various contests. Then he stomped on the ground, and foaming water rushed down from the mountains. He sang a song which changed how everyone looks, and the Ice Giants became large fish and were washed to sea. Those fish carry markings like the wampum collars of the magicians. [Norman, p. 115; Leland, p. 126]
Algonquin (upper Ottowa River):
Long ago, when men had become evil, the Strong Serpent Maskanako came. He was the foe of people, and they became embroiled, hating and fighting each other. The small men (Mattapewi) fought with Nihanlowit, keeper of the dead. The Strong Serpent resolved to destroy all men, and the Black Serpent brought the snake-water rushing, spreading everywhere, destroying everything. Then the waters ran off, and the great evil went away by the path of the cave. [Kelsen, pp. 146-147]
Lenape (=Delaware) (Delaware to New York):
A deluge covered the whole earth. A few people survived on the back of a turtle which was so old its shell was mossy. A loon flew by, and the people begged it to dive and bring up some land. The bird dived but could not reach the bottom. Then he flew far away, came back with some earth in his bill, and led the turtle back to some dry land. There the people settled and repopulated the country. Those saved by the turtle became the Turtle Clan. [Frazer, p. 295; Bierhorst, 1995, pp. 30, 43]

After the Great Spirit created the earth, he flooded it. He sent various animals diving for earth. At last the muskrat succeeded. He put the earth on the turtles back, and it increased in size. [Bierhorst, 1995, p. 44]

In the thread from which the post linked to above (#114) was drawn, Dave took the ridiculous position that the use of a boat or watercraft to survive a flood was a really unusual and unique feature of the Noah story that united it with lots of other flood stories in which boats were used. He claimed that resorting to a boat wasn't an obvious feature that would have been arrived at by multiple cultures independently.

The guy is bonkers. He's always been bonkers, ever since we met him.

Steviepinhead · 02-22-2016, 06:57 AM

The Stith Thompson myth-motif index.

Unfortunately for Dave, there are means available to easily test the claim that all the different flood tales bear some close resemblance to the Biblical-Sumerian one.

osmanthus · 02-22-2016, 07:21 AM

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In the thread from which the post linked to above (#114) was drawn, Dave took the ridiculous position that the use of a boat or watercraft to survive a flood was a really unusual and unique feature of the Noah story that united it with lots of other flood stories in which boats were used. He claimed that resorting to a boat wasn't an obvious feature that would have been arrived at by multiple cultures independently.

Ah yes. I remember that part. That really was tard at its most extravagant.

Pingu · 02-22-2016, 07:34 AM

It's often struck me that Dave must have had a very land-locked life.

vivisectus · 02-22-2016, 07:45 AM

Hey so flood myths count as evidence for Noahs flood specifially? So do I get to claim that the existence of dragon myths make Tiamat historical? I mean we keep finding thousands of dragon-like dead things as well.

osmanthus · 02-22-2016, 07:48 AM

Definitely. And Smaug too. Smaug was totally badass.

02-21-2016, 05:29 PM	#2618366 / #4
OHSU Senior Member : Apr 2009 : 6,265	It astounds me that Davie thinks those things are evidence for the bible. The number, type, distribution, and variety of fossils makes it impossible that they were buried during a global flood. If all of those plants and animals had been alive on the earth before The Flood^TM, the earth would have been completely covered many meters deep with lifeforms, packed together lIke sardines.. The only possible way they all could have inhabited the earth, lived their lives, died, and been buried is a few at a time over a very long period. There are simply far too many fossils. And the fact that many cultures all over the earth have flood myths is evidence AGAINST the biblical version of a flood! In the biblical version, all those cultures were wiped out, you fuckwit. They wouldn't have survived to talk about it if it had actually happened! How do you not grasp this? This has long struck me as one of the stupidest arguments In favor of the flood. "Many cultures all around the world speak of a global flood... that killed everyone off." You seriously can't see the problem here? Bwahahahaha!! __________________ I think that probably [aquatic apes] were about aquatic to the same degree as an otter. So, they would spend large amounts of time in the water but come ashore to sleep and to breed. -- Elaine Morgan Last edited by OHSU; 02-21-2016 at 07:07 PM.

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Steviepinhead Senior Member : Mar 2008 : Seattle, WA : 36,673	Okay, here's one such discussion. There may be more discussion down thread, but I didn't look. I know I analyzed at least one Native American myth, and that I've told Dave (probably more than once) about the Stith Thompson index of myth-motifs. Maybe I'll get a chance to poke around later this week. Last edited by Steviepinhead; 02-22-2016 at 06:42 AM.

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Pingu I did. F. Poste. GLaDOS : Mar 2008 : UK : 60,846	It's often struck me that Dave must have had a very land-locked life. __________________ Join me at The Skeptical Zone

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02-22-2016, 03:29 AM	#2618443 / #12
Steviepinhead Senior Member : Mar 2008 : Seattle, WA : 36,673	Of course, for those who know anything whatsoever about indigenous peoples and cultures (which leaves Dave out, as he's amply demonstrated, despite the opportunity that was served up to him by his missionary heritage to know at least one indigenous culture in some detail), it's deeply insulting to suggest that the indigenous cultures all over the world are just pale imitations of some MidEastern "original." The whole notion is beyond idiotic. Not that that's ever stopped Dave from flinging himself headlong into yet another abyss of stoopid.

02-22-2016, 06:57 AM	#2618458 / #21
Steviepinhead Senior Member : Mar 2008 : Seattle, WA : 36,673	The Stith Thompson myth-motif index. Unfortunately for Dave, there are means available to easily test the claim that all the different flood tales bear some close resemblance to the Biblical-Sumerian one.

02-22-2016, 07:45 AM	#2618466 / #24
vivisectus Senior Member : Nov 2015 : 386	Hey so flood myths count as evidence for Noahs flood specifially? So do I get to claim that the existence of dragon myths make Tiamat historical? I mean we keep finding thousands of dragon-like dead things as well.