De-Extinction and Re-Wilding -

Bilirubin · 06-04-2013, 09:12 PM

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I feel like Elk should be whatever Alces is and deer should be whatever Cervus is, donchathink, bili?

way too sensible, next you'll be suggesting america gets rid of farenheit

What would make sense in that case is to just use the scientific names would we want that sort of precision in day to day language. Otherwise I have to laugh that even the BBC has to clarify "European elk". Just moose it up and be done with the confusion

More taxonomic confusion (moose related)

Brother Bear, he's not a bear he's a beaver - YouTube

i will call them moose if you will stop calling wapiti elk DO WE HAVE A DEAL

I can live with this.

Can you live with calling reindeer caribou?

gib · 06-04-2013, 09:24 PM

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Can you live with calling reindeer caribou?

i'm going to reserve judgement until the etymological reports are in

buttershug · 06-04-2013, 09:48 PM

What's on the back of the Canadian quarter?

CORed · 06-04-2013, 10:19 PM

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Even found big images so the differences might be clear.

Moose (not a goddamned elk!)

Elk (you can also call this a wapiti but not a goddamned moose!)

Deer

/thread

You forgot the Mule Deer. Nice whitetail buck, though.

CORed · 06-04-2013, 10:27 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose#History

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these were likely derived from moosu, meaning "he strips off"),

What I got out of this is that moose are male strippers.

I have yet to see one strip. All the moose I have seen have been nude.

CORed · 06-04-2013, 10:30 PM

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What's on the back of the Canadian quarter?

That's a Caribou. However, the domesticated ones in northern Europe are called reindeer. They are unusual among deer in that both males and females have antlers (It's just the males that have antlers in most deer species).

Linus · 06-04-2013, 10:33 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose#History

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these were likely derived from moosu, meaning "he strips off"),

What I got out of this is that moose are male strippers.

I have yet to see one strip. All the moose I have seen have been nude.

At first they have "velvet" on their antlers, but then they show everything.

Testy Calibrate · 06-04-2013, 10:45 PM

it's kinda hard to want to reintroduce cougars and grizzlies when you know what yhey look like up close.

Bilirubin · 06-04-2013, 11:02 PM

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it's kinda hard to want to reintroduce cougars and grizzlies when you know what yhey look like up close.

Reintroduce? We never lost them.

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Steviepinhead · 06-04-2013, 11:34 PM

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Even found big images so the differences might be clear.

Moose (not a goddamned elk!)

Elk (you can also call this a wapiti but not a goddamned moose!)

Deer

/thread

You forgot the Mule Deer. Nice whitetail buck, though.

Just don't let Figs know that the mules are mixing it up with the deer!

Testy Calibrate · 06-04-2013, 11:58 PM

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it's kinda hard to want to reintroduce cougars and grizzlies when you know what yhey look like up close.

Reintroduce? We never lost them.

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They keep talking about reintroducing the grizzlies in the north cascades. I'm not sure if maybe the dfw proposed it or sierra club sort of thing. And as far as cougars, never forget: Dan and Ann.

Steviepinhead · 06-05-2013, 12:13 AM

Testy, no re-introduction is necessary.

They've been there all along.

The Park Service/Forest Service has just been keeping their presence quiet to avoid overblown panic reactions like, well, like ...

Untheist · 06-05-2013, 12:23 AM

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it's kinda hard to want to reintroduce cougars and grizzlies when you know what yhey look like up close.

Reintroduce? We never lost them.

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They keep talking about reintroducing the grizzlies in the north cascades. I'm not sure if maybe the dfw proposed it or sierra club sort of thing. And as far as cougars, never forget: Dan and Ann.

My father had two Walkers he named Dan and Ann as a tribute to WTRFG. Ann was a fine hunter, but Dan had a penchant for chasing deer (which brings us back on topic).

eversbane · 06-05-2013, 02:34 AM

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I feel like Elk should be whatever Alces is and deer should be whatever Cervus is, donchathink, bili?

way too sensible, next you'll be suggesting america gets rid of farenheit

What would make sense in that case is to just use the scientific names would we want that sort of precision in day to day language. Otherwise I have to laugh that even the BBC has to clarify "European elk". Just moose it up and be done with the confusion

More taxonomic confusion (moose related)

Brother Bear, he's not a bear he's a beaver - YouTube

i will call them moose if you will stop calling wapiti elk DO WE HAVE A DEAL

I can live with this.

Can you live with calling reindeer caribou?

As long as they don't have reins.

Steviepinhead · 06-05-2013, 02:45 AM

Welcome to the reign of our Cervusian masters.

espritch · 06-05-2013, 03:28 AM

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it's kinda hard to want to reintroduce cougars and grizzlies when you know what yhey look like up close.

I kind of like the notion of re-wilding, but I have to pause when it involves critters that might want to eat me.

I'm not sure de-extinction is a practical notion considering that we aren't doing a very good job preserving the creatures we still have, but it would be pretty cool if someone could clone a mammoth.

Testy Calibrate · 06-05-2013, 05:14 AM

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Testy, no re-introduction is necessary.

They've been there all along.

The Park Service/Forest Service has just been keeping their presence quiet to avoid overblown panic reactions like, well, like ...

rmacfarl · 06-05-2013, 09:50 AM

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I feel like Elk should be whatever Alces is and deer should be whatever Cervus is, donchathink, bili?

way too sensible, next you'll be suggesting america gets rid of farenheit

What would make sense in that case is to just use the scientific names would we want that sort of precision in day to day language. Otherwise I have to laugh that even the BBC has to clarify "European elk". Just moose it up and be done with the confusion

More taxonomic confusion (moose related)

i will call them moose if you will stop calling wapiti elk DO WE HAVE A DEAL

I can live with this.

Can you live with calling reindeer caribou?

Santa Claus says no

Figuer · 06-05-2013, 10:58 AM

Fundysay: WHO ARE WE TO PLAY GOD ?

Atheistsay: GOD DOESN'T EXIST!

Post-Atheistsay: GOD TOLD ME TO PLAY...

SkepticTank · 06-05-2013, 12:44 PM

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Testy, no re-introduction is necessary.

They've been there all along.

The Park Service/Forest Service has just been keeping their presence quiet to avoid overblown panic reactions like, well, like ...

Kinda like Bigfoot.

Jet Black · 06-05-2013, 01:09 PM

For me, the key think is more about ensuring that the ecosystem can support a decent level of self-sustainable biodiversity, rather than introducing specific species. I don't see the point of re-introducing a species if it means a constant effort to maintain its population in the environment (to stop it either exploding or collapsing)

Bilirubin · 06-05-2013, 01:47 PM

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For me, the key think is more about ensuring that the ecosystem can support a decent level of self-sustainable biodiversity, rather than introducing specific species. I don't see the point of re-introducing a species if it means a constant effort to maintain its population in the environment (to stop it either exploding or collapsing)

Yeah, this is the rationale for reintroducing buffalo to Banff. They clear a lot of underbrush and open space that then permits greater biodiversity of the more marginal woodlands type. I personally can't wait until its a reality.

Testy Calibrate · 06-05-2013, 01:58 PM

It was also the rationale behind reintrodicing wolves in yellowstone. They hid near the rivers and streams and the elk stopped destroying the riparian zones.

Bilirubin · 06-05-2013, 02:02 PM

Wolves did really well there. Ranchers regardless.

Jet Black · 06-05-2013, 02:07 PM

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For me, the key think is more about ensuring that the ecosystem can support a decent level of self-sustainable biodiversity, rather than introducing specific species. I don't see the point of re-introducing a species if it means a constant effort to maintain its population in the environment (to stop it either exploding or collapsing)

Yeah, this is the rationale for reintroducing buffalo to Banff. They clear a lot of underbrush and open space that then permits greater biodiversity of the more marginal woodlands type. I personally can't wait until its a reality.

I get it, that's excellent. It reminds me of something similar that a lady I know is working on in Exmoor, where they are reintroducing the wild ponies - they keep the grass and such down and help to maintain various habitats in the area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmoor_pony

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Testy Calibrate goats in trees! : Mar 2008 : The rainbow connection : 18,875	it's kinda hard to want to reintroduce cougars and grizzlies when you know what yhey look like up close. __________________ Someday we'll find it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSFLZ-MzIhM

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Steviepinhead Senior Member : Mar 2008 : Seattle, WA : 36,673	Testy, no re-introduction is necessary. They've been there all along. The Park Service/Forest Service has just been keeping their presence quiet to avoid overblown panic reactions like, well, like ... Last edited by Steviepinhead; 06-05-2013 at 12:15 AM.

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Figuer Senior Member : Apr 2009 : 28,265	Fundysay: WHO ARE WE TO PLAY GOD ? Atheistsay: GOD DOESN'T EXIST! Post-Atheistsay: GOD TOLD ME TO PLAY... Last edited by Figuer; 06-05-2013 at 11:01 AM.

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Jet Black Finding Things Out Mod: ASS, LSD, Phys Sci : Dec 1969 : 31,476	For me, the key think is more about ensuring that the ecosystem can support a decent level of self-sustainable biodiversity, rather than introducing specific species. I don't see the point of re-introducing a species if it means a constant effort to maintain its population in the environment (to stop it either exploding or collapsing) __________________ The Feynmann Algorithm: (1) Write down the problem (2) Think real hard (3) Write down the solution

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Testy Calibrate goats in trees! : Mar 2008 : The rainbow connection : 18,875	It was also the rationale behind reintrodicing wolves in yellowstone. They hid near the rivers and streams and the elk stopped destroying the riparian zones. __________________ Someday we'll find it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSFLZ-MzIhM

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Steviepinhead Senior Member : Mar 2008 : Seattle, WA : 36,673	Welcome to the reign of our Cervusian masters.

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