Where is the Bernie Sanders thread? - Part 4 -

BenTheBiased · 05-18-2016, 01:23 PM

Well, Bernie finally won a closed primary. If only he'd been able to do that a month ago, this might still be a race.

BenTheBiased · 05-18-2016, 01:25 PM

Looking at the county map, it's kind of crazy how close this race has been to North vs. South. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for that, but it's pretty striking:

AllRightMeow · 05-18-2016, 01:26 PM

Well, he actually lost the primary because he had to win by...

gandalf · 05-18-2016, 01:34 PM

ya its m0ar accur8 2 say he l0st on march 15

fleet-footed Urban Youth · 05-18-2016, 01:35 PM

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Well, he actually lost the primary because he had to win by...

no, this is a legitimate point. "winning states" is irrelevant in a proportionally allocated primary. the only thing that matters is margin of victory. if that is not high enough to meaningfully close the gap with your opponent, you're still losing.

gandalf · 05-18-2016, 01:37 PM

aka winning yet l0sing

AllRightMeow · 05-18-2016, 01:39 PM

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Well, he actually lost the primary because he had to win by...

no, this is a legitimate point. "winning states" is irrelevant in a proportionally allocated primary. the only thing that matters is margin of victory. if that is not high enough to meaningfully close the gap with your opponent, you're still losing.

Is this a serious response?

el jefe · 05-18-2016, 01:40 PM

it's normal and reasonable for commentators to point out that a campaign trying to make a comeback is not closing the gap fast enough to win.

eta: multiple crosspost

AllRightMeow · 05-18-2016, 01:40 PM

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ya its m0ar accur8 2 say he l0st on march 15

AllRightMeow · 05-18-2016, 01:42 PM

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it's normal and reasonable for commentators to point out that a campaign trying to make a comeback is not closing the gap fast enough to win.

eta: multiple crosspost

Damn it, stop trolling me

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 01:49 PM

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Well, he actually lost the primary because he had to win by...

no, this is a legitimate point. "winning states" is irrelevant in a proportionally allocated primary. the only thing that matters is margin of victory. if that is not high enough to meaningfully close the gap with your opponent, you're still losing.

and when this happens, we all lose, because we have to scroll past the litany of these fb posts:

"DON"T LET THE MEDIA FOOL YOU BERNIE IS NOT OUT OF THIS HE HAS WON YET AGAIN DOWN WITH KIILLARY DON"T LET HER STEAL TEH ELECTION"

brugroffil · 05-18-2016, 01:51 PM

MOMENTUNM!!!

el jefe · 05-18-2016, 01:51 PM

and then you throw a chair through the window at starbucks because the system is fucked up man

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 01:52 PM

or mayhep some graffiti

AllRightMeow · 05-18-2016, 01:53 PM

If only those shit posters had read the nuanced analysis of Nate Silver. Surely they would come to their senses.

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 02:01 PM

keep fighting the good fight man!

AllRightMeow · 05-18-2016, 02:22 PM

Keep missing my point!

brugroffil · 05-18-2016, 02:32 PM

what was your point?

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 02:33 PM

SkepticTank · 05-18-2016, 02:35 PM

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what was your point?

Well, he actually lost the primary because he had to win by...

daap-umop-bnp · 05-18-2016, 02:37 PM

Everyone in the media tracks these as state to state battles, as well as the candidates themselves. And since elections are about persuading people to vote one way or the other the state outcomes become a part of the persuasive argument. When the media uses this mode of tracking electoral success it looks like a biased back pedaling to add this "but they're all white", "but they're really trump voters", "but it won't matter" disclaimer nearly every time one candidate wins. There is clearly a substantive basis for the last one but it's hard not to notice that they started this narrative after New Hampshire, way prior to when it was legitimate.

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 02:40 PM

so everyone in the media tracks these "as state to state battles" or the media uses "this mode of tracking electoral success" with disclaimers?

fleet-footed Urban Youth · 05-18-2016, 02:43 PM

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Everyone in the media tracks these as state to state battles, as well as the candidates themselves. And since elections are about persuading people to vote one way or the other the state outcomes become a part of the persuasive argument. When the media uses this mode of tracking electoral success it looks like a biased back pedaling to add this "but they're all white", "but they're really trump voters", "but it won't matter" disclaimer nearly every time one candidate wins. There is clearly a substantive basis for the last one but it's hard not to notice that they started this narrative after New Hampshire, way prior to when it was legitimate.

nonetheless, "he's still losing because he did not make sufficient gains" is a legitimate point because tracking the campaign by states "lost" and "won" is dumb af

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 02:45 PM

the entire idea is absurd that, amongst people in the political junkie bubble, it is somehow unfair, inaccurate, misleading, etc. to write or pass around analysis that we willingly eat up in just about every other context. which was the point of gunner's nate silver joke a few weeks ago about selectively appreciating that brand of commentary.

schneibler elf · 05-18-2016, 02:46 PM

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Everyone in the media tracks these as state to state battles, as well as the candidates themselves. And since elections are about persuading people to vote one way or the other the state outcomes become a part of the persuasive argument. When the media uses this mode of tracking electoral success it looks like a biased back pedaling to add this "but they're all white", "but they're really trump voters", "but it won't matter" disclaimer nearly every time one candidate wins. There is clearly a substantive basis for the last one but it's hard not to notice that they started this narrative after New Hampshire, way prior to when it was legitimate.

nonetheless, "he's still losing because he did not make sufficient gains" is a legitimate point because tracking the campaign by states "lost" and "won" is dumb af

indeed. when a week ago you have "he needs to win every remaining state by 18 points" or whatever*, it is perfectly legitimate to say "well, he did not do that, the course of the primary has not changed."

eta * which people also bitched about because apparently that is not fair punditry

05-18-2016, 01:26 PM	#2651018 / #903
AllRightMeow Emoting Food Mod: Politics and Current Affairs : Jun 2013 : 5,509	Well, he actually lost the primary because he had to win by... __________________ Picking apples for the kings and queens of things I've never seen

05-18-2016, 01:34 PM	#2651020 / #904
gandalf teh r3t4rd teh pplz champi0n : Feb 2010 : 13,784	ya its m0ar accur8 2 say he l0st on march 15 __________________ el guapo: gandalf, you are god's gift to mafia; i can be a little aspie rmacfarl: Febble you should listen to Gandalf DeanM: Yes I acknowledge you were right. laughing dog: gandalf has it right rednoise: gandalf is right. AwfulCrawler: I don't blame you for being a complete, utter retard gandalf. You were probably born that way. Mattshizzle: Advice # 1 - post in English instead of Retarded. Schneibster: Do you have any idea how many people have arrogantly told me I was full of shit on the Internet?

05-18-2016, 01:37 PM	#2651023 / #906
gandalf teh r3t4rd teh pplz champi0n : Feb 2010 : 13,784	aka winning yet l0sing __________________ el guapo: gandalf, you are god's gift to mafia; i can be a little aspie rmacfarl: Febble you should listen to Gandalf DeanM: Yes I acknowledge you were right. laughing dog: gandalf has it right rednoise: gandalf is right. AwfulCrawler: I don't blame you for being a complete, utter retard gandalf. You were probably born that way. Mattshizzle: Advice # 1 - post in English instead of Retarded. Schneibster: Do you have any idea how many people have arrogantly told me I was full of shit on the Internet?

05-18-2016, 01:52 PM	#2651036 / #914
schneibler elf The People's Moderator The People's Admin : Apr 2008 : 50,099	or mayhep some graffiti __________________ list of posters you're not allowed to respond to in my threads: 1) autonemesis 2) ****/beau/lulu/muidiri/pandora/("lupa") 3) jerome da gnome

05-18-2016, 01:53 PM	#2651037 / #915
AllRightMeow Emoting Food Mod: Politics and Current Affairs : Jun 2013 : 5,509	If only those shit posters had read the nuanced analysis of Nate Silver. Surely they would come to their senses. __________________ Picking apples for the kings and queens of things I've never seen

05-18-2016, 01:23 PM	#2651011 / #901
BenTheBiased Doctor Impossible : May 2012 : Soon I Will Be Invincible : 1,214	Well, Bernie finally won a closed primary. If only he'd been able to do that a month ago, this might still be a race.

05-18-2016, 01:25 PM	#2651017 / #902
BenTheBiased Doctor Impossible : May 2012 : Soon I Will Be Invincible : 1,214	Looking at the county map, it's kind of crazy how close this race has been to North vs. South. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for that, but it's pretty striking:

05-18-2016, 01:40 PM	#2651025 / #908
el jefe Senior Member TR Pundit : Oct 2008 : 30,945	it's normal and reasonable for commentators to point out that a campaign trying to make a comeback is not closing the gap fast enough to win. eta: multiple crosspost

05-18-2016, 01:51 PM	#2651033 / #912
brugroffil Super Moderator Mod: Politics and Current Affairs : Feb 2009 : Can Street : 16,291	MOMENTUNM!!!

05-18-2016, 01:51 PM	#2651034 / #913
el jefe Senior Member TR Pundit : Oct 2008 : 30,945	and then you throw a chair through the window at starbucks because the system is fucked up man

05-18-2016, 02:01 PM	#2651040 / #916
schneibler elf The People's Moderator The People's Admin : Apr 2008 : 50,099	keep fighting the good fight man! __________________ list of posters you're not allowed to respond to in my threads: 1) autonemesis 2) ****/beau/lulu/muidiri/pandora/("lupa") 3) jerome da gnome

05-18-2016, 02:22 PM	#2651051 / #917
AllRightMeow Emoting Food Mod: Politics and Current Affairs : Jun 2013 : 5,509	Keep missing my point! __________________ Picking apples for the kings and queens of things I've never seen

05-18-2016, 02:32 PM	#2651056 / #918
brugroffil Super Moderator Mod: Politics and Current Affairs : Feb 2009 : Can Street : 16,291	what was your point?

05-18-2016, 02:33 PM	#2651057 / #919
schneibler elf The People's Moderator The People's Admin : Apr 2008 : 50,099	__________________ list of posters you're not allowed to respond to in my threads: 1) autonemesis 2) ****/beau/lulu/muidiri/pandora/("lupa") 3) jerome da gnome

05-18-2016, 02:37 PM	#2651059 / #921
daap-umop-bnp murder by chair : Apr 2009 : a white state : 25,431	Everyone in the media tracks these as state to state battles, as well as the candidates themselves. And since elections are about persuading people to vote one way or the other the state outcomes become a part of the persuasive argument. When the media uses this mode of tracking electoral success it looks like a biased back pedaling to add this "but they're all white", "but they're really trump voters", "but it won't matter" disclaimer nearly every time one candidate wins. There is clearly a substantive basis for the last one but it's hard not to notice that they started this narrative after New Hampshire, way prior to when it was legitimate. __________________ Please clap.

05-18-2016, 02:40 PM	#2651061 / #922
schneibler elf The People's Moderator The People's Admin : Apr 2008 : 50,099	so everyone in the media tracks these "as state to state battles" or the media uses "this mode of tracking electoral success" with disclaimers? __________________ list of posters you're not allowed to respond to in my threads: 1) autonemesis 2) ****/beau/lulu/muidiri/pandora/("lupa") 3) jerome da gnome

05-18-2016, 02:45 PM	#2651066 / #924
schneibler elf The People's Moderator The People's Admin : Apr 2008 : 50,099	the entire idea is absurd that, amongst people in the political junkie bubble, it is somehow unfair, inaccurate, misleading, etc. to write or pass around analysis that we willingly eat up in just about every other context. which was the point of gunner's nate silver joke a few weeks ago about selectively appreciating that brand of commentary. __________________ list of posters you're not allowed to respond to in my threads: 1) autonemesis 2) ****/beau/lulu/muidiri/pandora/("lupa") 3) jerome da gnome

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