The Guitraist Compo Round 4 redux.

Matty · 06-05-2008, 12:38 PM

Neil Young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0tAoO3-xQ

Robert Johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd60nI4sa9A

Kirk Hammett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjt_K...eature=related

Chet Atkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-c66...eature=related

David B · 06-05-2008, 01:03 PM

Voted for Robert Johnson.

Would have voted for Atkins, too, if I hadn't clicked on the wrong thing.

David B

Matty · 06-05-2008, 01:23 PM

I dont think its editable after the fact, I'll make a note of + One for atkins.

Maybe someone can add on one extra vote on your behalf.

ravenok · 06-05-2008, 01:24 PM

I can add the extra vote, but there won't be a name associated with it. I'll do that now.

Lucretius III · 06-05-2008, 01:28 PM

Johnson & Hammett for me
I can never understand the hype about Neil Young he is just so....well ordinary ,nothing special at all in my opinion.

Matty · 06-05-2008, 01:44 PM

i rate Young as a songwriter and i think hes awesome in the last waltz.

I dont , however, think of him as an awesome guitarist, in the same way i dont think of Dylan as such. Yeah they have some tidy bits of fingerstyle but taken on its own its simply not enough.

eta

Thanks Raven

Ray Moscow · 06-05-2008, 01:50 PM

Can I vote for Chet twice? He was pretty awesome.

Matt · 06-05-2008, 02:01 PM

I think too many people are voting for simply being a pioneer and not actual skill.

Here's another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY7p6EIWavc

Matty · 06-05-2008, 02:03 PM

no set criteria Matt, its subjective as all nohell.

Skill is subjective anyway, speed vs feel, for example.

Matt · 06-05-2008, 02:10 PM

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no set criteria Matt, its subjective as all nohell.

Skill is subjective anyway, speed vs feel, for example.

I know it's highly subjective. I'm just saying that I'm seeing a lot of early rock/jazz/folk votes throughout this game compared to other newer genres, and if that continues it's not really about best guitarists, but instead "what genres do I prefer?"

Matty · 06-05-2008, 03:11 PM

not really. i think the old types get a nod in the first round or two and then it all gets very in depth in my experience.

I find it encouraging that the old school fingerstylers etc get picked over a shredmeister, for example, shows more awareness of all of the aspects of playing guitar, not just speed. Quality not quantity and all that.

JamesBannon · 06-05-2008, 03:17 PM

Neil Young & Robert Johnson were my picks.

Comfortably Numb · 06-05-2008, 03:52 PM

I picked Chet Atkins and Kirk Hammet from this group.
While I prefer the music of Young and Johnson, IMO their guitar work doesn't match that of Atkins and Hammet.

Gojira · 06-05-2008, 07:18 PM

Well, I don't rate Neil Young as a guitarist, and I've never been a Metallica fan, so that made my choices fairly easy this time

I'm sure it'll get harder later though!

Bootsy · 06-05-2008, 10:02 PM

Neil Young is IN- he can smoke on a good night, is totally unique, and plays some interesting stuff.

Robeert Johnson is OUT- While being an "original", what he does is BASIC blues. If that's what you want fine, but his playing itself?, many have taken his foundation and done it better.

Kirk Hammett- plays some good stuff every now and then (from what I have heard admittadely not a ton), but not enough to go on here.

Chet Atkins- Another pioneer who played some great tasty stuff. Course he said "I always knew someone would come along and take what I had and take it further" That man was Lenny Breau who is NOT in this competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsB8l...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRQ6S...eature=related

Hookpunch · 06-05-2008, 10:07 PM

Neil doesn't belong in this group , he is a great songwriter but not a great guitarist ...out

Kirk Hammett, well maybe the most renowned metal guitarist and can do some impressive things.....but for a student of Satriani's, how is it he never learned to bend notes in tune? out

Robert Johnson - in for his influence.

Chet Atkins - in for sheer awesomeness, even Segovia thought he was awesome (until he learned Chet also played electric). Kind of a proto-Steve Morse to me. IN

Bootsy · 06-06-2008, 12:33 AM

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no set criteria Matt, its subjective as all nohell.

Skill is subjective anyway, speed vs feel, for example.

I know it's highly subjective. I'm just saying that I'm seeing a lot of early rock/jazz/folk votes throughout this game compared to other newer genres, and if that continues it's not really about best guitarists, but instead "what genres do I prefer?"

Agreed Matt,

While you gotta respect the fact they are pioneers, that does not mean they are best?!

I mean we all respect the hell out of Chuck Berry for being an original and playing some cool licks, but that is the place where you START learning if you grew up in the next generation....ask Keith Richards!

Now I'm not saying "newer is better" , but many times it is!

David B · 06-06-2008, 12:37 AM

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no set criteria Matt, its subjective as all nohell.

Skill is subjective anyway, speed vs feel, for example.

I know it's highly subjective. I'm just saying that I'm seeing a lot of early rock/jazz/folk votes throughout this game compared to other newer genres, and if that continues it's not really about best guitarists, but instead "what genres do I prefer?"

Agreed Matt,

While you gotta respect the fact they are pioneers, that does not mean they are best?!

I mean we all respect the hell out of Chuck Berry for being an original and playing some cool licks, but that is the place where you START learning if you grew up in the next generation....ask Keith Richards!

Someone who makes significant innovations - of any era - does not define that they are one of the best guitarists, but I would suggest that it is one of the defining characteristics of a great guitarist.

In Johnson's case, his innovations have proved to be very significant - which is why I include him even if he lacks the technical proficiency of some of those who followed.

David B

Bootsy · 06-06-2008, 12:55 AM

Now while I'm not gonna pretend ol' Neil is "one of the best" guitarists there ever was, I think alot of people sell him way short in this area cause he's got so many great tunes.

Check Neil just DIG IN on his classic Like A Hurricane...simple, lyrical, intense and tasty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obfci...eature=related

Here is Neil playing with beautiful tone and touch on a great tune. If Gilmour had played this everyone would go "wow what great taste!"...but it's Neil so well meh....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpbDFTdL0-s

Bootsy · 06-06-2008, 01:10 AM

:

I know it's highly subjective. I'm just saying that I'm seeing a lot of early rock/jazz/folk votes throughout this game compared to other newer genres, and if that continues it's not really about best guitarists, but instead "what genres do I prefer?"

Agreed Matt,

While you gotta respect the fact they are pioneers, that does not mean they are best?!

I mean we all respect the hell out of Chuck Berry for being an original and playing some cool licks, but that is the place where you START learning if you grew up in the next generation....ask Keith Richards!

Someone who makes significant innovations - of any era - does not define that they are one of the best guitarists, but I would suggest that it is one of the defining characteristics of a great guitarist.

In Johnson's case, his innovations have proved to be very significant - which is why I include him even if he lacks the technical proficiency of some of those who followed.

David B

I agree David,

As I said the groundbreakers and innovators are always respected for what they did, but that does not make them "better" or or more "listenable" or "the be all to end all"

Johnson played straight ahead "delta blues" if you dig that all well and good. To me it doesn't do much for me from a GUITAR standpoint.

They earn points for INSPIRING what was to follow them that in many cases did it BETTER.

David B · 06-06-2008, 01:30 AM

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Agreed Matt,

While you gotta respect the fact they are pioneers, that does not mean they are best?!

I mean we all respect the hell out of Chuck Berry for being an original and playing some cool licks, but that is the place where you START learning if you grew up in the next generation....ask Keith Richards!

Someone who makes significant innovations - of any era - does not define that they are one of the best guitarists, but I would suggest that it is one of the defining characteristics of a great guitarist.

In Johnson's case, his innovations have proved to be very significant - which is why I include him even if he lacks the technical proficiency of some of those who followed.

David B

I agree David,

As I said the groundbreakers and innovators are always respected for what they did, but that does not make them "better" or or more "listenable" or "the be all to end all"

Johnson played straight ahead "delta blues" if you dig that all well and good. To me it doesn't do much for me from a GUITAR standpoint.

They earn points for INSPIRING what was to follow them that in many cases did it BETTER.

Yabbut! Someone more technically proficient but who does not inspire a major difference in the way popular music has changed is missing out on one significant claim to greatness.

David B (actually prefers Elmore James to Robert Johnson, but he ain't on the list)

Matty · 06-07-2008, 06:25 PM

johnson and atkins ftw. i like that result.

: Pick your Top TWO guitarists
Neil Young	6	35.29%
Robert Johnson	13	76.47%
Kirk Hammet	4	23.53%
Chet Atkins	10	58.82%
: 17.

06-05-2008, 12:38 PM	#69428 / #1
Matty You wot? : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 22,200	The Guitraist Compo Round 4 redux. Neil Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0tAoO3-xQ Robert Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd60nI4sa9A Kirk Hammett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjt_K...eature=related Chet Atkins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-c66...eature=related __________________ It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are. Last edited by Matty; 06-05-2008 at 01:45 PM.

06-05-2008, 01:03 PM	#69443 / #2
David B RnR for lulz : Mar 2008 : 3,939	Voted for Robert Johnson. Would have voted for Atkins, too, if I hadn't clicked on the wrong thing. David B __________________ Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds - Emerson

06-05-2008, 01:23 PM	#69469 / #3
Matty You wot? : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 22,200	I dont think its editable after the fact, I'll make a note of + One for atkins. Maybe someone can add on one extra vote on your behalf. __________________ It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are.

06-05-2008, 01:28 PM	#69479 / #5
Lucretius III Suburban Avenger : Mar 2008 : Lancashire, England : 2,061	Johnson & Hammett for me I can never understand the hype about Neil Young he is just so....well ordinary ,nothing special at all in my opinion. __________________ *Coincidences do happen ...that's why we have a word for them*

06-05-2008, 01:24 PM	#69472 / #4
ravenok trigger warning Into the West : Mar 2008 : Norton's Empire : 81,531	I can add the extra vote, but there won't be a name associated with it. I'll do that now.

06-05-2008, 01:44 PM	#69494 / #6
Matty You wot? : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 22,200	i rate Young as a songwriter and i think hes awesome in the last waltz. I dont , however, think of him as an awesome guitarist, in the same way i dont think of Dylan as such. Yeah they have some tidy bits of fingerstyle but taken on its own its simply not enough. eta Thanks Raven __________________ It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are.

06-05-2008, 01:50 PM	#69498 / #7
Ray Moscow Aspiring to humanity : Mar 2008 : Surrey, England : 5,144	Can I vote for Chet twice? He was pretty awesome. __________________ "Why are so few of us left active, healthy, and without personality disorders? " -Rorschach

06-05-2008, 02:01 PM	#69506 / #8
Matt Enormous Member : Mar 2008 : 990	I think too many people are voting for simply being a pioneer and not actual skill. Here's another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY7p6EIWavc

06-05-2008, 02:03 PM	#69508 / #9
Matty You wot? : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 22,200	no set criteria Matt, its subjective as all nohell. Skill is subjective anyway, speed vs feel, for example. __________________ It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are.

06-05-2008, 03:11 PM	#69559 / #11
Matty You wot? : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 22,200	not really. i think the old types get a nod in the first round or two and then it all gets very in depth in my experience. I find it encouraging that the old school fingerstylers etc get picked over a shredmeister, for example, shows more awareness of all of the aspects of playing guitar, not just speed. Quality not quantity and all that. __________________ It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are.

06-05-2008, 03:17 PM	#69567 / #12
JamesBannon Back by popular request : Mar 2008 : Somewhere to the left of sanity : 11,640	Neil Young & Robert Johnson were my picks. __________________ Rimmer: What's that poem? Now weary traveller rest your head, for just like me you're utterly dead.

06-05-2008, 03:52 PM	#69604 / #13
Comfortably Numb reconstituted star dust : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 1,333	I picked Chet Atkins and Kirk Hammet from this group. While I prefer the music of Young and Johnson, IMO their guitar work doesn't match that of Atkins and Hammet.

06-05-2008, 07:18 PM	#69714 / #14
Gojira King of the Monsters! : Mar 2008 : Sunny Sandwell : 1,201	Well, I don't rate Neil Young as a guitarist, and I've never been a Metallica fan, so that made my choices fairly easy this time I'm sure it'll get harder later though! __________________ History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of men! Blue Oyster Cult - Godzilla

06-05-2008, 10:02 PM	#69820 / #15
Bootsy Senior Member : Jun 2008 : 230	Neil Young is IN- he can smoke on a good night, is totally unique, and plays some interesting stuff. Robeert Johnson is OUT- While being an "original", what he does is BASIC blues. If that's what you want fine, but his playing itself?, many have taken his foundation and done it better. Kirk Hammett- plays some good stuff every now and then (from what I have heard admittadely not a ton), but not enough to go on here. Chet Atkins- Another pioneer who played some great tasty stuff. Course he said "I always knew someone would come along and take what I had and take it further" That man was Lenny Breau who is NOT in this competition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsB8l...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRQ6S...eature=related Last edited by Bootsy; 06-05-2008 at 10:05 PM.

06-05-2008, 10:07 PM	#69826 / #16
Hookpunch Senior Member : Mar 2008 : 584	Neil doesn't belong in this group , he is a great songwriter but not a great guitarist ...out Kirk Hammett, well maybe the most renowned metal guitarist and can do some impressive things.....but for a student of Satriani's, how is it he never learned to bend notes in tune? out Robert Johnson - in for his influence. Chet Atkins - in for sheer awesomeness, even Segovia thought he was awesome (until he learned Chet also played electric). Kind of a proto-Steve Morse to me. IN

06-06-2008, 12:55 AM	#69958 / #19
Bootsy Senior Member : Jun 2008 : 230	Now while I'm not gonna pretend ol' Neil is "one of the best" guitarists there ever was, I think alot of people sell him way short in this area cause he's got so many great tunes. Check Neil just DIG IN on his classic Like A Hurricane...simple, lyrical, intense and tasty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obfci...eature=related Here is Neil playing with beautiful tone and touch on a great tune. If Gilmour had played this everyone would go "wow what great taste!"...but it's Neil so well meh.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpbDFTdL0-s

06-07-2008, 06:25 PM	#71000 / #22
Matty You wot? : Mar 2008 : Ontario, Canada : 22,200	johnson and atkins ftw. i like that result. __________________ It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are.

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