Paleoindian seafaring in America

[SteveF]

This recent paper from Erlandson looks to be well worth a read. I'm going to have a look so I can refresh my memory a bit:

http://www.fsl.orst.edu/wpg/events/W...%20America.pdf

[Sugriva]

[mod]a frankly astoundingly wide ranging derail moved here[/mod]

Hey! I think my post belongs here in this thread andf not the derailed one with Marduk and Rathpig.
http://talkrational.org/showthread.p...47#post1329947

[SteveF]

sorry, moved back!

[sunstone]

Check out Heyerdahl "American Indians in the Pacific" 1952 book.

[el jefe]

is that about kontiki and all that?

[Marduk]

is that about kontiki and all that?

the book is subtitled "The theory behind the Kon-Tiki Expedition"

[sculptor]

Australasians
may have come first (oldest skulls look austrolasian)
along the coasts north then east then south
mesa verde has (2015)potential new dates to 18500bp
kelp was a large part of the people's diet there.

[Dave Hawkins]

last time i checked native legend was useless as a source of information, especially > 13,000 years after the fact.

<snip>

I would dispute that ... http://truthmatters.info/the-budding...-geomythology/

[RAFH]

I would dispute that ... http://truthmatters.info/the-budding...-geomythology/

Pimping your blog again, eh Bluffy?

When are you going to learn that if you want to discuss something here, you have to discuss it here?

[osmanthus]

Nah. He's scared to. Had his arse kicked too many times.

[Dave Hawkins]

Pimping your blog again, eh Bluffy?

When are you going to learn that if you want to discuss something here, you have to discuss it here?

Too lazy to click and read, eh? Ok here ... I'll spoon feed you ... would you lie that food pre-chewed too?

More and more geoscientists are willing to combine their work with such stories these days, in a budding discipline called geomythology. Volcanologist Floyd McCoy of the University of Hawaii, Manoa, says discussing myth has traditionally been “a good way to sink your own credibility”; it can put you on the list with flaky Atlantologists and other amateur zealots. But, says McCoy, “I’d be a fool to write it all off. There is a new realization that some myths have something to say.” Myths can sometimes alert researchers to previously unheeded geohazards; in other cases, where science has demonstrated the danger, legends “enrich the record” and reinforce the fact that people lie in harm’s way, says paleoseismologist Brian Atwater of the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) in Seattle, who has spearheaded many studies of seismic events in the Pacific Northwest. The trick is teasing out which myths carry kernels of truth that can be connected to hard data.

[RAFH]

Too lazy to click and read, eh? Ok here ... I'll spoon feed you ... would you lie that food pre-chewed too?

No, Bluffy. But I don't have any reason to go to your woeful web site.

I could ask the same question of you, are you too lazy to copy and paste the materials you are referring to in the place where the conversation is going on. It's a common responsibility of those that make claims about anything to support those claims, and not by simply linking to some opinion piece by some uneducated, untrained and unexperienced narcissistic DK posterboy.

So, Bluffy, where did Floyd McCoy say "discussing myth has traditionally been "a good way to sink your own credibility": it can put you on the list with flaky Atlantologists and other amateur zealots," Oh, by the way, Floyd McCoy is not of the University of Hawaii, Manoa. He's an instructor at Windward Community College, which is administered by the UH but a separate school with far different missions. UH is a full university, offering degrees from Bachelors through to PhDs in a large number of areas: marine biology, astronomy, etc. WCC is a two year community school, though often students there go on to UH or other schools.

And where does McCoy say "I'd be a fool to write it all off." and how does that intimate that all myth contains factual information, especially when interpreted literally? Where does McCoy say "I’d be a fool to write it all off. There is a new realization that some myths have something to say.” And do you see that phrase, "all off". Which most normal people would interpret to mean there is possibly some truth to some parts of some myths, not that all parts of all myths are completely true. But you do have a problem with that all-some-none issue, don't you. You should try to work on that.

Where does Brian Atwater say "Myths can sometimes alert researchers to previously unheeded geohazards; in other cases, where science has demonstrated the danger, legends “enrich the record” and reinforce the fact that people lie in harm’s way." Remember, I specifically asked you to include any references or citations within whatever material you were quoting. Just quoting something in your silly blog is meaningless unless you reference where you got that information and provide the citation and link. You've been told this innumerable times. Why can't you get this simple concept?

And I note the last sentence you quote: "The trick is teasing out which myths carry kernels of truth that can be connected to hard data." Yes, that is the trick. As I stated earlier, not all parts of all myths carry kernels of truth. Indeed, I'm guessing this was an article written by some hack because it's unusual to contemporary scientists to talk about "truth".

What a bluffoon.

[Dave Hawkins]

Lol

[Fenrir]

And not just kernals. Some myths carry the whole cob.

[VoxRat]

Lol

Because...



... Why?

[RAFH]

Lol

Is that all you have to say for yourself?

I agree your behavior is laughable. But then you are a bluffoon, the Bluffoon of Bluffoonylvania.

[Faid]

Dave has stated his opinion on the issue. Therefore, the issue has been resolved. No further discussion is necessary.

[RAFH]

Dave has stated his opinion on the issue. Therefore, the issue has been resolved. No further discussion is necessary.

Does that mean he'll shut up?


Oh noes, not that, what'll I do for lulz?