How global warming science works

[F X]

HOTTEST NOVEMBER EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET EARTH!



It means nothing. NOVEMBER WAS THE HOTTEST MONTH EVER!

SOURCE: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/mapping

[TySixtus]

Febble I'm pretty upset that you added the ironicat to thread titles. Now I get to see a whole bunch of morons continually misusing it.

[rednoise]

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Could you explain?

[brugroffil]

Febble I'm pretty upset that you added the ironicat to thread titles. Now I get to see a whole bunch of morons continually misusing it.

[Pingu]

Febble I'm pretty upset that you added the ironicat to thread titles. Now I get to see a whole bunch of morons continually misusing it.

It's ironic, isn't it?

[brugroffil]

no it's just terrible and expected

[buttershug]

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Could you explain?

Possibly that Global Warming isn't ubiquitous, steady, uniform, and simple?


And he thinks that "real science" remains real science when you cherry pick studies to "prove" a conclusion he reached ahead of time.

[eversbane]

FX seems to derive some egoboost from pointing out that reality is way more complex than "science".

Not sure though what his definition of "science" might be.

[buttershug]

FX seems to derive some egoboost from pointing out that reality is way more complex than "science".

Not sure though what his definition of "science" might be.

Not just that but also "System X is more complex than just factor A, therefore Factor A is not a part of System X."


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And I suspect he is having trouble finding sources that say that coal fired plants do not spread radioactive material to put in hiw other thread.

[F X]

How climate science works now.

The latest study shows that the top seven countries in the list contribute to 60 per cent of global warming between the years 1906 and 2005. The top seven global warming offenders include the US, China, Russia, Brazil, India, Germany and the United Kingdom, said a Tech Times report.

While the results are not very surprising, the new figures may shed light on the responsibilities these countries ought to have to the rest of the world.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1081733/us-...global-warming

So now climate science is about determining responsibility for changing the planet's climate.

Concordia University's Damon Matthews spearheaded the study.

Never fucking mind that the climate changed drastically before mankind started burning a shit ton of fossil fuels, or that there is a ton of evidence and science showing that the climate changes with out any input from people at all.

Oh no, they decided man did it, and then proceeded to assign blame to each country, and this is climate science now.

Just make damn sure you ignore that C14 is created from cosmic radiation, that it is the isotope which is best known as the isotope that archeologists use for dating biological archeological artifacts. That changes in the C14 concentration in the atmosphere is dominated by variations in solar activity. Ignore that when the solar activity is high the production of C14 is low, this is due to the shielding effect of the solar wind against cosmic rays.


And be damn sure and ignore that such a thing as changes to the sun could have a fucking huge effect on the planet.

No, the return to warm from the little ice age is ALL YOUR GODDAMN FAULT people.

That's climate science. That's how you do it.

[Pingu]

That's just silly, F X.

[eversbane]

Not just that but also "System X is more complex than just factor A, therefore Factor A is not a part of System X."

Often factor A turns out to be a simplified model of System X (as in the tides and bulges fiasco), so that in denying factor A FX inadvertently denies System X, which creates quite a bit of confusion for those who understand what factor A actually is.

[F X]

Oh please.

[buttershug]

Often factor A turns out to be a simplified model of System X (as in the tides and bulges fiasco), so that in denying factor A FX inadvertently denies System X, which creates quite a bit of confusion for those who understand what factor A actually is.

Exactly.

One strange thing is that he and Jerome are together a bit.
Usually these guys that know so much better than the rest of us don't agree with each other.

[F X]

That's just silly, F X.

Then we agree.

[buttershug]

If there is no Global warming because of the CO2, then what is preventing it from happening?

Do you also deny acid rain and ozone depletion caused by man?

[Schneibster]

I can see I'll have some work to do here.

[VoxRat]

That's just silly, F X.

It's not just silly.
It's a pre-emptive Gish gallop, of a magnitude that would have left Gish himself in the dust.

[Steviepinhead]

Odd, if it's cooling off, how nine of the ten hottest years on record have occurred in the 21st C.

And last year was the seventh hottest on record.

[F X]

Odd, if it's cooling off, how nine of the ten hottest years on record have occurred in the 21st C.

You probably missed it, buried in the other topic. It seems like it isn't even a matter of global cooling, so much as the winter cooling trend is so extreme it actually drags spring, summer and fall down with it, when you look at the annual figures. Breaking it down into smaller periods makes it obvious what is actually happening. (not why, but what is happening)

Spring and summer, and usually fall as well, are still trending up, except for a few areas, there is warming going on. Except for the NH winters, and that is exactly the opposite of the predictions for what CO2 forced warming should look like.

I know this sounds nuts, especially since I haven't seen anyone else talking about it, on either side of the never ending war over warming.

I find it quite interesting.

[F X]

Why can I say that about the trends? And the annual data? Because that is what all the data sets show. Even GISS, which always overestimates the warming, shows it happening.
NH Cold season -.1 C cooling trend

NH warm season .05 warming trend

Annual trend -.03 cooling trend

Do I have to actually do the math for you as well?

[F X]

That eastern Siberia, Alaska, the Bering sea and the north Pacific show cooling even in summer, which also doesn't fit with a CO2 forced climate change.

Neither does the November trend of cooling in the arctic. I used 2004 as the start to avoid this clusterfuck of a trend map. The rapid cooling of the Bering sea and Alaska that started in 2004 makes the trend there look extreme.

This trend is backed up by the drastic increase in the Bering sea ice each winter. It's growing. Another problem with the unexpected arctic amplification.

The December trend really makes it obvious.

[VoxRat]

You probably missed it, buried in the other topic. It seems like it isn't even a matter of global cooling, so much as the winter cooling trend is so extreme it actually drags spring, summer and fall down with it, when you look at the annual figures. Breaking it down into smaller periods makes it obvious what is actually happening. (not why, but what is happening)

Spring and summer, and usually fall as well, are still trending up, except for a few areas, there is warming going on. Except for the NH winters, and that is exactly the opposite of the predictions for what CO2 forced warming should look like.

I know this sounds nuts, especially since I haven't seen anyone else talking about it, on either side of the never ending war over warming.

I find it quite interesting.

It isn't cooling.
It's as simple as that.
The warming isn't steady, year to year.
And it's not geographically homogeneous.
But nothing has changed basic physics: the more greenhouse gas you put in the atmosphere, the higher the set-point to the global thermostat.
That's why nine of the ten hottest years on record have occurred in the 21st C.

[buttershug]

That eastern Siberia, Alaska, the Bering sea and the north Pacific show cooling even in summer, which also doesn't fit with a CO2 forced climate change.
.

Why not?
No one claimed the warming was ubiquitous.
No one claimed the warming is steady.
No one said that climate study is simple.

[F X]

And now we reach that special moment, where it becomes obvious you don't understand what CO2 does in the earth's atmosphere, or why the predictions for CO2 forced warming are what they are.

Which is pretty much how global warming science goes.

"Adding CO2 causes warming, it's basic physics"

No, it's not simple like that, and you are an idiot because you don't know this already.