Math vs Myth: was Math invented by humans, yall? -

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 06-14-2015, 04:32 AM

:

Math is an invented language, like Esperanto or Esquimoix.

How about what it describes?

Spode · 06-14-2015, 04:48 AM

:

Math is an invented language, like Esperanto or Esquimoix.

How about what it describes?

Snow?

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 06-14-2015, 04:50 AM

:

Math is an invented language, like Esperanto or Esquimoix.

How about what it describes?

Snow?

??

Spode · 06-14-2015, 04:52 AM

:

Math is an invented language, like Esperanto or Esquimoix.

How about what it describes?

Snow?

??

Esquimoix is preoccupied with frozen water. It falls from the sky.

Spode · 06-14-2015, 04:55 AM

:

Math is an invented language, like Esperanto or Esquimoix.

How about what it describes?

Snow?

??

Esquimoix is preoccupied with frozen water. It falls from the sky.

To clarify, crystallized fractal patterns. Observe.

FROZEN - Let It Go Sing-along \| Official Disney HD - YouTube

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 06-14-2015, 04:59 AM

Fair enough... I guess. ఠ_ఠ

BobCox · 06-16-2015, 06:56 AM

You seem bored..................................

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 06-17-2015, 06:41 AM

:

You seem bored..................................

Me? Maybe. I'd thought about the semantics argument, though, and kinda wanted to fight it.

BobCox · 06-29-2015, 06:55 AM

:

You seem bored..................................

Me? Maybe. I'd thought about the semantics argument, though, and kinda wanted to fight it.

semantics . . .

In English you can count from zero to nine hundred ninety-nine without ever having to use the letter "a"

no semantics involved.

surreptitious57 · 07-04-2015, 06:37 AM

The symbols of maths were invented but the discipline it self was discovered for no other language or abstract methodology
is so perfect by definition. Maths is a deductive discipline that uses proof to validate its conclusions. And this makes it more
reliable than even science which is an inductive discipline that uses evidence to validate its conclusions. Now it is absolutely
impossible for human minds to have created such a perfect axiomatic system of logic. The laws of physics might have been
discovered but all the mathematical principles underlying them would have existed even if they had not been discovered as
maths as a discipline is independent of all interpretation. So in a basic equation for example the left hand side is absolutely
equal to the right hand side and nothing can ever alter that fact. Ergo maths was definitely discovered rather than invented

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 07-04-2015, 07:10 AM

:

The symbols of maths were invented but the discipline it self was discovered for no other language or abstract methodology
is so perfect by definition. Maths is a deductive discipline that uses proof to validate its conclusions. And this makes it more
reliable than even science which is an inductive discipline that uses evidence to validate its conclusions. Now it is absolutely
impossible for human minds to have created such a perfect axiomatic system of logic. The laws of physics might have been
discovered but all the mathematical principles underlying them would have existed even if they had not been discovered as
maths as a discipline is independent of all interpretation. So in a basic equation for example the left hand side is absolutely
equal to the right hand side and nothing can ever alter that fact. Ergo maths was definitely discovered rather than invented

This is just such a fun topic. It can screw with your head, and how you see things, and that's the stuff I love. "The world is the totality of facts, not of things."

surreptitious57 · 07-04-2015, 07:50 AM

In which case I suggest you read Our Mathematical Universe / My Quest For The Ultimate Meaning Of
Reality by Max Tegmark. In which he states that every thing is fundamentally mathematical in nature
For some particles can only be referenced by their mathematical properties. And he also advances the
hypothesis that there are four levels of multiverse and the fourth is entirely mathematical in construct

Old Dan · 07-05-2015, 11:44 AM

aw hell, yall, what in tarnation... I aint gonna make it in that 4th dimension.

Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet · 07-05-2015, 11:48 AM

:

aw hell, yall, what in tarnation... I aint gonna make it in that 4th dimension.

You probably don't have to worry. Tegmark is pretty... eccentric. I find his perspective pretty cool, though, even if I still need to read his book.

06-16-2015, 06:56 AM	#2522862 / #32
BobCox bObCoX : Sep 2011 : Under Your Doormat : 1,872	You seem bored.................................. __________________ Oh sure! Post a Signature in these forums and the next thing you know your identity's been stolen along with your Pants and Wallet.

X vBulletin 3.8.6 Debug Information
Page Generation 0.09338 seconds Memory Usage 4,111KB Queries Executed 47 (?)
More Information
Template Usage: (1)SHOWTHREAD (1)ad_footer_end (1)ad_footer_start (1)ad_header_end (1)ad_header_logo (1)ad_navbar_below (1)ad_showthread_beforeqr (1)ad_showthread_firstpost (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_sig (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_start (14)add_ignore_user_to_postbit (1)ame_container (1)ame_output (20)bbcode_quote (1)footer (1)forumjump (1)forumrules (1)gobutton (1)header (1)headinclude (30)mysmilies_imagebit (1)navbar (3)navbar_link (1)navbar_mini (1)navbar_noticebit (55)option (1)pagenav (1)pagenav_curpage (1)pagenav_pagelink (14)postbit_legacy (14)postbit_onlinestatus (14)postbit_reputation (14)postbit_wrapper (1)spacer_close (1)spacer_open (1)tagbit_wrapper Phrase Groups Available: global inlinemod postbit posting reputationlevel showthread	Included Files: ./showthread.php ./global.php ./includes/init.php ./includes/class_core.php ./includes/config.php ./includes/functions.php ./includes/class_hook.php ./includes/functions_notice.php ./mobiquo/smartbanner.php ./mobiquo/smartbanner/head.inc.php ./includes/functions_bigthree.php ./includes/class_postbit.php ./includes/class_bbcode.php ./includes/functions_reputation.php ./includes/ame_bbcode.php ./amecache/ameinfo.php Hooks Called: init_startup cache_permissions fetch_postinfo_query fetch_postinfo fetch_threadinfo_query fetch_threadinfo fetch_foruminfo style_fetch cache_templates global_start parse_templates fetch_musername notices_check_start notices_noticebit global_setup_complete showthread_start showthread_getinfo forumjump showthread_post_start showthread_query_postids showthread_query bbcode_fetch_tags bbcode_create showthread_postbit_create postbit_factory postbit_display_start reputation_image postbit_imicons bbcode_parse_start fetch_userinfo_query fetch_userinfo bbcode_parse_complete_precache bbcode_parse_complete postbit_display_complete automediaembed_parse_bbcode_start automediaembed_parse_bbcode_match_start automediaembed_parse_bbcode_match_end automediaembed_parse_bbcode_end pagenav_page pagenav_complete tag_fetchbit_complete forumrules navbits navbits_complete showthread_complete
Messages:

06-14-2015, 04:59 AM	#2522420 / #31
Non-Euclidean SlapBracelet Senior Member : Sep 2013 : 2,700	Fair enough... I guess. ఠ_ఠ

07-04-2015, 06:37 AM	#2527381 / #35
surreptitious57 Member : Aug 2012 : 41	The symbols of maths were invented but the discipline it self was discovered for no other language or abstract methodology is so perfect by definition. Maths is a deductive discipline that uses proof to validate its conclusions. And this makes it more reliable than even science which is an inductive discipline that uses evidence to validate its conclusions. Now it is absolutely impossible for human minds to have created such a perfect axiomatic system of logic. The laws of physics might have been discovered but all the mathematical principles underlying them would have existed even if they had not been discovered as maths as a discipline is independent of all interpretation. So in a basic equation for example the left hand side is absolutely equal to the right hand side and nothing can ever alter that fact. Ergo maths was definitely discovered rather than invented

07-04-2015, 07:50 AM	#2527389 / #37
surreptitious57 Member : Aug 2012 : 41	In which case I suggest you read Our Mathematical Universe / My Quest For The Ultimate Meaning Of Reality by Max Tegmark. In which he states that every thing is fundamentally mathematical in nature For some particles can only be referenced by their mathematical properties. And he also advances the hypothesis that there are four levels of multiverse and the fourth is entirely mathematical in construct

07-05-2015, 11:44 AM	#2527536 / #38
Old Dan Senior Member : Apr 2008 : the holla mohalla : 10,303	aw hell, yall, what in tarnation... I aint gonna make it in that 4th dimension.