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Fun fact:
There's a Greek song about goats.

It's a traditional rizitiko from Crete, and it talks about the species of wild mountain goat that's endemic to the island.

Well, not so much about the goats, as to the goats: The singer asks the goats where they live, where their winter shelters are. The goats respond (because of course they do) and say that their places are the precipices and cliffs, their winter abodes are the high peaks and the mountain caves are their ancestral homes.

And that's more or less the whole song. It doesn't seem that significant, but it has carried great cutural and emotional weight through many generations of Greeks.

Mainly because it's not actually a song about goats, but about freedom.

Coincidence?

I think not.


I thought I would be hard to find it on youtube, turns out it's extremely easy. I picked a less conventional cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qvWYmmXDBA


#freedavesgoats
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How did the self-control part evolve?
Like vox said, not a simple explanation, and one you have failed to honestly engage in in the past.
If you really wanted to learn, there are folks here far more qualified than I to explain it and, gosh, they've tried.
I would like to see your side become honest and admit that you don't have any explanation. Just as you don't have any explanation for how life got started on Earth. Just as you don't have any explanation for the origin of diversity of species.
So you know nothing about the subject, but you know "our side" has no explanation.

How are you so sure about that?
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How did the self-control part evolve?
Maybe we should ask the Albatross.
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:bleeeeerrrrghhhh:
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The minutiae I'm talking about is why would you care so much whether I realize or not that there are certain types of goats that can climb trees? What difference does that make to anything anyone is talking about?
You get so wrapped around the axle about s*** that doesn't even matter.
That's a fair point, and perhaps you should have made it BEFORE calliing Martin a liar on the basis of that very "minutiae".

Get it?
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Wouldn't it be neat if we could go like 10 pages without seeing the word Nazi? That has gotten really stupid.
You can always use the ignore function, dave. And I mean actually use, it, not pretend that you do.
One thing that is worth noting and I'm surprised it doesn't come up more often with this crowd is comparison of human sexuality with other animals sexuality. And I use the word other for your benefit, not mine. If it was up to me I would not use that word because I don't think that humans are just another animal.

Anyway I deal with farm animals and if you put a bull in with a bunch of cows guess what's going to happen? Pretty much the same thing is going to happen that most college freshmen boys would like to have happen at a frat party where the sister sorority is invited. My point is... Biology is what it is. But there's an interesting difference between cows and humans , namely, humans have some degree of self-control whereas bulls do not. Does  anyone else find this interesting?
Apparently albatrosses and royal penguins have more self-control than both. How's that for 'interesting?
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Wouldn't it be neat if we could go like 10 pages without seeing the word Nazi? That has gotten really stupid.
You can always use the ignore function, dave. And I mean actually use, it, not pretend that you do.
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"displaying her wares"

They aren't wares Dave. 


To many women, they are. And they know how to use them to manipulate and control men.
Oh FFS.

ETA lol, literally ninja'd
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Poor persecuted dave. People misrepresenting him, by missing his 'at least mine aren't' edit.

Meanwhile, he can always "raise the possibility" that another forum member is a pedophile, if he likes. That will help ease off the burden of constant oppression and misrepresentation.
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Fun fact:
There's a Greek song about goats.

It's a traditional rizitiko from Crete, and it talks about the species of wild mountain goat that's endemic to the island.

Well, not so much about the goats, as to the goats: The singer asks the goats where they live, where their winter shelters are. The goats respond (because of course they do) and say that their places are the precipices and cliffs, their winter abodes are the high peaks and the mountain caves are their ancestral homes.

And that's more or less the whole song. It doesn't seem that significant, but it has carried great cutural and emotional weight through many generations of Greeks.

Mainly because it's not actually a song about goats, but about freedom.

Coincidence?

I think not.

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Woohoo was an appropriate comment in the context I used it. But you've got to use your brain.
you really should learn to read my mind!

After your "woo hoo" comment, I'm not sure I want to.
Oh come on.  Cut the moralistic crap.

It's not much different from YOUR mind in this respect ... which naturally thinks sexual thoughts upon seeing a shapely woman displaying her curves (whether she's 15 or 50) ... all that matters is puberty ... when the curves start to develop, men notice.  Period.  End of story. If you deny that you have these thoughts, then you are lying (or you are gay).  It's a quite natural physiological response in most men ... much as male dog responds to a female dog in heat.  And it forms the basis of the "sex sells" industry in the marketing world.  Come on, man.  Be real.
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Dave, I pointed out to you ages ago that it is your stupid attempts at justifying cheering some child bride being bartered away for cows that is bringing out the creepy. But you forged right ahead and tried to re-define "child" in stead.

Like you saying "I will admit that if a female - regardless of age - is "displaying her wares" I'm going to notice and like it."
with this post you are confirming that you are not honest. I had hope for you in the beginning, but now I think you are becoming like Faid who is probably the most dishonest person at this forum.
Fuck you too, you despicable pretentious slanderer. Respond to my posts (where I'm quoting YOUR OWN WORDS) if you have the balls. it will make you look less of a coward than constantly shit-talking about me to others.

Or put me "on ignore" (HAH!) again, and display your hypocrisy.
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I mean, look at this pile of hogwash:

o if you want to object, object honestly ... that is, first of all, acknowledge the true topic of the convo - longevity and healthiness of indigenous peoples - object to THAT if you have a fair objection, then note in passing something like "By the way, Dave, that woo hoo comment makes it sound as if you are promoting child marriage ... I'm sure you're not, but it came across that way to me."

THAT would be an honest comment coming from you and it would cause me to respect your integrity more. 
Then I would have come back and said "Oh sorry.  No I'm not in favor of child marriage, I was really woo hooing the whole situation ... woo hoo that the old guy seems fit and healthy even at 70 ... woo hoo that he won a pretty young bride (presumably she picked him over others) ... woo hoo bc the white teacher seemed to be woo hooing as well."
Dave, that was, more or less, what ACTUALLY happened. When you posted that comment, people responded to the whole Maasai nutrition thing. I was the first to comment on your 'woo hoo', and I said this:
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Dave. Everything else besides, "woo hoo" is NOT a remark people should make after that statement.
And Borealis first accused the woman who wrote the article, not you:
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Note how she cheerfully dismisses the harm caused by child marriages (one of the things that concerns the organisation, since the girls may be as young as 9 or 10 married to old men), "haha, lucky men!". I wouldn't trust her to have enough awareness to notice if girls were underweight.
And, as you see, she did that as an indication that the lady shouldn't be trusted regarding Maasai nourishment!
So you had every opportunity to give us your speech- How did it go, again? Oh right: ""Oh sorry.  No I'm not in favor of child marriage, I was really woo hooing the whole situation ... woo hoo that the old guy seems fit and healthy even at 70 ... woo hoo that he won a pretty young bride (presumably she picked him over others) [LOL]... woo hoo bc the white teacher seemed to be woo hooing as well."

Except you didn't say that, did you? THIS is what you FIRST said on the matter:
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Oh come on.  Cut the moralistic crap.

It's not much different from YOUR mind in this respect ... which naturally thinks sexual thoughts upon seeing a shapely woman displaying her curves (whether she's 15 or 50) ... all that matters is puberty ... when the curves start to develop, men notice.  Period.  End of story. If you deny that you have these thoughts, then you are lying (or you are gay).  It's a quite natural physiological response in most men ... much as male dog responds to a female dog in heat.  And it forms the basis of the "sex sells" industry in the marketing world.  Come on, man.  Be real.

I rest my case.
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One form of lying is "control of discourse" because people are getting a false picture of what's being said ... here's what Julian Assange had to say about this today ...


Speaking of "control of discourse", dave: Remember when Assange told Trump Jr. his dad should not accept the results of the election if he lost, because it would trigger a 'discussion' on 'corruption'? And that it would be good for Trump's future endeavors as well?


You sure know how to pick them, dave.
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LYING

is the problem.
Yes.

It is.

When others say something about you, you SPIN it in the worst possible light (as in, 'drooling over young girls' becomes going to malls and stalking them), and then you call them "liars" for supposedly propagating that hyperbole.

But when YOU accuse others, you naturally assume the worst possible and most far-fetched option (like, Faid is "self-righteous", a pedophile I knew was the same, Faid might just be like him).
And when you get called out on that, you refuse to recant because you were supposedly only "raising the possibility"!

Hypocricy has become your second skin, dave.

Tell me: When we first objected to your 'woo hoo' post, what was your initial response?

Was it to say "come on people, chill, I'm just saying 'woo hoo' because that guy lived to an old age and remained healthy enough to happily marry"?

It wasn't, was it?

Instead, your FIRST response was a lecturing on how it's a 'biological drive' to be attracted to 'young female' bodies, and how we were all pretending to claim otherwise. Because Playboy centerfolds or something.

You understood damn well what this was about, dave.

Stop pretending.

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You guys just can't get your heads around it can you?
You can't save this, dave. It's too late. Scripta manent.
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Both. Woo hoo that the guy is sprightly enough to marry a Young Bride like that. Woohoo to the whole situation! In other words what a normal Observer would say. Such as the female observer in the village. For instance.
Yeah well, it's one part of that "BOTH" bit we have an issue with, dave.

"This guy lived to an old age" and "this old guy married a 15 year old girl" are NOT two equivalent aspects of "this whole situation".

And you knew goddamn well WHICH part we have a problem with. But that didn't stop you from saying creepy stuff like:
And the answer is ... if everyone is honest ... "Yes" ... there's probably not a man here that has not drooled over some Playboy centerfold, many of them young - 20s and even teens.  So how are you "ok" doing this, but I'm not "ok" saying "woohoo" about the Maasai dudes' young bride?

What you were SAYING was, and is, pretty clear. You cannot whitewash it or twist it to sound less creepy.
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You guys can think whatever you want to.  You always do no matter what the facts are anyway.  But the truth is ... we were discussing longevity of indigenous people groups and I found an old Maasai guy that was spry enough to marry a young bride - woo hoo!  I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it as long as it comes up.  "Woo hoo!  The guy's nowhere close to being dead ... everyone seems happy ... Woo hoo!"  You guys have something mentally wrong if you can't see the appropriateness of my comment. 
OK this is FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Are you NOW saying, after ALL this time, ALL these posts, that your "woo hoo" was NOT about the old man marrying the girl, but about him being alive?

You are truly unbelievable, Dave Hawkins.
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Do you happen to remember how the term "fake news" was initially popularized, and what it referred to before Trump co-opted it? Or has that gone down the memory hole?
Way, way back, it was the "Jewish Controlled Press".

I guess our times need shorter slogans.
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In other words you people have an agenda. Here at this forum, one of your main agenda items seems to be to make sure Dave is wrong about everything because that makes you feel better about your fake science and your fake world view. It also helps you feel better if Dave can be portrayed as being evil.
Sure buddy. Whatever works for you.
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I have yet to see anybody here except me give a truly honest account of the conversation about the 15 year old Maasai bride marrying the 70 year old man. It's always told in such a way as to try to make me look like some sort of pedophile.

Classic fake news practice.
I never called you (or "raised the possibility") of you being a pedophile. YOU, on the other hand...

And if you're worried about how what we say that you said "makes you look", then consider what you said. I simply repeated it in all its creepiness. (And no, 'creepy' does not mean 'pedophile' so shut up in advance)
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Thanks to Donald Trump pointing out fake news I've really become more and more aware of the pervasiveness of misrepresentation and spin in much of our Communications in the world today. Now that I've become aware of it, I see it on almost every page at this forum and of course you see it constantly in the news media as well.
You were accusing people online of lying many, many years before Trump became your idol. In fact, I believe you were calling people liars when Trump was calling himself a Democrat.

Try again.
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Well yes, when people post lies about me it often puts me in the mood to call them liars, yes.
But you're never in the mood to properly identify the lie.

Go figure.
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You guys can keep playing this childish game if you want to.
YOUR a liar! And YOUR a liar! AND YOUR a liar!


...OK, let's stop playing childish games now.

But I think it's more interesting to talk about the causes of the Civil War and related issues.
Ask me if I care what you think.