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2 - overgrazing caused desertification in the Gobi desert
Well, not in the Gobi Desert, per se.
At the edge.
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Agreed.  And the evidence I've seen suggests that it has.

This is real simple.  We have two competing hypotheses for any given desert like the Sahara ... Milankovitch Cycles?  Or Human Activity?
And trying to distinguish between any hypotheses about how the Sahara became a desert will necessarily, absolutely, require a firm footing in the chronology of that process. Which, of course, is not possible for someone who rejects any and all methods of chronometry.
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Hopefully the truth will come out soon enough if and when the memo is released.
What memo?
The one composed by Nunes?
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No point in arguing about it until then.
Right. And no reason to jump to conclusions like this:
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The Strzok anti-Trump text message to FBI lawyer Lisa Page about "no way" Trump gets elected and having an "insurance policy" to see that he doesn't,

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What is the most horrifying thing that you see the Republican Party doing right now?
Well as long as the theme is ignoring questions by posing more...
I'll think about answering this one if and when you articulate how HRC is like Stalin.
Because you have given that alleged similarity MANY TIMES when asked why you voted for Trump.
See if you can come up with a reason less moronic than a perceived similarity in the way they comb their hair.
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There's an important difference between desert and desertification you're militantly ignoring.
Not ignoring it.  It's just not important.
It is very important.
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Unless of course it was that way from the beginning, which is highly unlikely given the evidence we have in the present day.
The important point is not WHETHER a region became a desert, but whether that process had anything to do with human agriculture.
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OK. Fair enough.
It turns out the thread is about opinions.
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Dave, in your opinion, is the Tapeat sandstone layer the one that was deposited by the flood?
"the one" ??? There were many layers deposited during the global flood. Yes I think the Tapeats Sandstone was deposited sometime during the global flood year.
this thread is about evidence. Not beliefs.
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There's an important difference between desert and desertification you're militantly ignoring.
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A year from now 10 people from the DOJ and FBI will be behind bars and this crowd will be saying that it's Injustice and that Donald Trump is the real crook.

This crowd is not interested in truth.
Are you willing to bet on that?
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I've posted evidence for the Flood many times before ... some examples better than others ...

Here's one of my all time favorites ...

The sandstone layer that includes the Tapeats but has many different names all across North America ... I was first made aware of the remarkable nature of this sandstone layer by Bill Hoesch of ICR ... https://www.icr.org/article/3342/ ...

This layer is enormous ... covering a majority of the land area of the N. Am continent ...

Also it's incredibly flat ...

And it's incredibly thin ...

There is no process occurring today which could possibly create anything remotely close to such a layer.  (No the Bahamas doesn't cut it)

While you cannot look at this layer by itself and conclude "Global Flood" ... you CAN look at it and conclude ... "Gigantic continent sized hydraulic cataclysm the likes of which has never been equalled in all of recorded history."

From that conclusion, it's only a small step, employing other evidence, to "Global Flood"

You're welcome.
this doesn't even rise to the level of pathetic.
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Who's known for killing and maiming people, Dave? Antifa protesters or the Klan/white supremacists/nazis? Come on, you must know the answer to that one.
Both.  (Talking about currently, not in the past)
this is where stupidlity shades into militant ignorance shades into evil.
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... The cave art in SE Algeria tells us that this area was lush and green less than 10000 years and that there were grazing herds.  Put that together with what we know about mismanaged grazing herds causing desertification today and you have a case for "overgrazing plus a few other factors caused the Sahara."
Really?
But just a weak case, right?

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What seems to be the problem in understanding this?
For starters: the fact that there were nowhere near enough humans around at the time to put a dent in the climate.
I asked before, and you pretended not to notice:

How many humans do YOU calculate were around at the time?

:icare:
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Lol ... no.  YOU have it wrong.
So the "insurance policy" was simultaneously something for in case it happened and something to prevent it from happening?
Or what?

Please elaborate.
Yes. Please elaborate.
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He wasn't proposing an insurance policy to prevent death in the analogy ... he was proposing and insurance policy in case death occurred.  ...
Exactly.
So you agree HH has it wrong here:
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The Strzok anti-Trump text message to FBI lawyer Lisa Page about "no way" Trump gets elected and having an "insurance policy" to see that he doesn't,
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The Strzok anti-Trump text message to FBI lawyer Lisa Page about "no way" Trump gets elected and having an "insurance policy" to see that he doesn't, certainly needs some explaining.
::)

There was no " 'insurance policy' to see that he doesn't "

That was invented by conspiracy theorists.


Bullshit. The insurance policy was clearly mentioned in Strzok's text message. Whether it actually existed or not, it wasn't invented by conspiracy theorists.
Yes it was mentioned.
But there's nothing in the memo that says it had anything to do with preventing Trump's election.

Quote from: Stzrok
I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office -- that there's no way he gets elected -- but I'm afraid we can't take that risk. It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40.

You are a big fan of CONTEXT, except of course when that context works against what you want to believe.

Excuse me?

What context are you talking about?
I quoted the whole thing:
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Here's Strzok's full text, which was released along with many others last week:
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I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office -- that there's no way he gets elected -- but I'm afraid we can't take that risk. It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40.
WaPo article
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I want to see primary sources, if available.
Are there any arrest records?
Where is the police report?
Have any of the principals been caught involved in any frauds?

Quote from: Dave Hawkins

<    ignores question     >

<    changes subject    >


Such a tool.    ::)
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The Strzok anti-Trump text message to FBI lawyer Lisa Page about "no way" Trump gets elected and having an "insurance policy" to see that he doesn't, certainly needs some explaining.
::)

There was no " 'insurance policy' to see that he doesn't "

That was invented by conspiracy theorists.


Bullshit. The insurance policy was clearly mentioned in Strzok's text message. Whether it actually existed or not, it wasn't invented by conspiracy theorists.
Yes it was mentioned.
But there's nothing in the memo that says it had anything to do with preventing Trump's election.

Quote from: Stzrok
I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office -- that there's no way he gets elected -- but I'm afraid we can't take that risk. It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40.
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The Strzok anti-Trump text message to FBI lawyer Lisa Page about "no way" Trump gets elected and having an "insurance policy" to see that he doesn't, certainly needs some explaining.
::)

There was no " 'insurance policy' to see that he doesn't "

That was invented by conspiracy theorists.
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Here we go!

 <    clip RWNJ link  > 
::)

Let me guess...
"Next week is going to be fun!"

Right?
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You really think O'Keefe is NOT a right-wing propagandist? ? ?

:facepalm:
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Lol

Sea Star has been trolling me this whole time.
In other words, you can't explain how that article is evidence for your claim. Good to know.
Nope. I did. But you will probably continue to pretend I didn't.
Afdave's Third Law:
 If you have an objection to any point I've raised, I've already addressed it.
No, I won't tell you where.


Like clockwork.
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As long as we're necromancing threads Hawkins has badgered from...
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Dave, who is Ehrlich?
Ehrlich is a guy whose entire career is all about what Hawkins generally, bitterly, contemns.
He's a PhD biologist.
He's most noted for his urgent warnings about overpopulation.
He writes about evolution.

What he is NOT is a paleoclimatologist.
Hawkins likes him for a single, unreferenced, sentence he (with his wife) wrote in a 1970, non-peer-reviewed, pop science book
Quote from: Paul & Anne Ehrlich
The vast Sahara desert itself is largely manmade, the result of overgrazing, faulty irrigation, deforestation, perhaps combined with a shift in the course of the jet stream.
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I'm really mystified as to why you can't do logic.
The enduring mystery is whether YEC broke Hawkins's brain, or whether the brokenness of Hawkins's brain explains his embrace of YEC.
It may not be a binary choice though.
It may be a self-amplifying circuit.
A vicious cycle, if you will.