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Messages - Faid

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My great-great-great-grandfather was no stinkin' L1-groupper, Thordammit!
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Alternative Reality Science Extravaganza / Re: L3
Everything falls into place, as long as we accept that people with L0, L1 and L2 are not modern humans.
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What happened to those 'unhinged roof' plans anyway?
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Also, what Ben said.
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The latest from my buddy Sundance ...
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[snip gobbledygook]
Dave, can you give us a meaningful summary of what "your buddy Sundance" is even trying to argue for here? What, specifically, his reasoning is? Not "It's all a Nothingburger", "Muh Russia" and other content-free slogans: Explain the actual ARGUMENT that is supposedly being made there. Thx.
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You're wrong.  As usual.

So what does Judy think of your operation?  Surely you've run it past the master?
Of course.  He said "Sounds like you have figured out the goat operation quite well."

Why do YOU care?



Oh, is that what he said?  "Sounds like"?  Sounds decidedly vague to me.

Did you fully describe the caged goats, mechanically winched around a field?
I answered your question.  Now answer mine.  Why do you care?

This is why:

BTW, I take it we're no longer talking about poisonous plants, or about why there's no reason to know or do specific things in HMG.

Oh well.
That whole stupid conversation could have been reduced to... Hey Dave, be careful how close you take your pen next to your Woods because there can be poisonous plants in there.
There can be bad plants in the middle of the field too.
What you were unable to glean from the conversation was -
How do you know what you don't need to learn or know?
That was the question. Not examples of things you don't think you need to know.
The purpose of the question is to find out HOW YOU DECIDE what you don't need to know or learn.
Answer the actual question and the conversation won't be stupid.
I have already explained that but people here are too stupid or too blinded to even read my answer. I have sat through several classes on holistic managed grazing and went through an entire six-month internship with one of the world leaders in holistic managed grazing and never once did he even mention the topic of poisonous plants in pastures. This is extremely significant and as I said I already stated this but no one cares. They apparently think they are smarter than Greg Judy or else they think that Greg Judy probably did talk about poisonous plants but I wasn't paying attention or some stupid s*** like that. [snip pathetic insults]
Your justification for your actions (or inactions) regarding HMG essentially boils down to authoritarianism, with Greg Judy being the most prominent authority in that defense.

Therefore, his opinion of your efforts is highly relevant.

Your turn.
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You're wrong.  As usual.

So what does Judy think of your operation?  Surely you've run it past the master?
Of course.  He said "Sounds like you have figured out the goat operation quite well."

Why do YOU care?


Heh. 'Sounds like' Greg could care less.
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Lol

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The left-wing conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russian officials ahead of the 2016 presidential campaign continued to crash and burn Friday, with Robert Mueller's indictment showing the foreign nationals began meddling in US politics one year before Donald Trump announced his run for office.

https://www.hannity.com/media-room/collusion-collapse-mueller-says-russian-meddling-began-before-trumps-candidacy/amp/



Almost exactly a year after the above tweet: "Woman Who Helped Organize Miss Universe in 2013 Announced Trump's Presidential Run in January, 2015"

Go ahead and put your high-speed mind to work on the possible implications.
On a side note: I talk with many people from Russia and other former USSR countries at work. They often can't speak Greek and I don't speak Russian, so we discuss in English.

I've NEVER heard anyone do the pseudo-stereotypical "no articles" accent. It just doesn't occur.

Why the hell is that woman tweeting that way?

My Russian friends are fluent in English, but frequently leave out their definite articles. When they get excited, which is often, it's almost as if they're parodying themselves
I guess I'm the exception then. In my experience even the ones that don' t speak English that well never systematically leave out the articles-  I don't think I would miss it if they did. Perhaps it helps that they also have to learn some basic Greek, I dunno.
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Raffy enjoys talking to himself.
Why, you got the copyright or something?
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BTW, I take it we're no longer talking about poisonous plants, or about why there's no reason to know or do specific things in HMG.

Oh well.
That whole stupid conversation could have been reduced to... Hey Dave, be careful how close you take your pen next to your Woods because there can be poisonous plants in there.
There can be bad plants in the middle of the field too.
What you were unable to glean from the conversation was -
How do you know what you don't need to learn or know?
That was the question. Not examples of things you don't think you need to know.
The purpose of the question is to find out HOW YOU DECIDE what you don't need to know or learn.
Answer the actual question and the conversation won't be stupid.
I have already explained that but people here are too stupid or too blinded to even read my answer. I have sat through several classes on holistic managed grazing and went through an entire six-month internship with one of the world leaders in holistic managed grazing and never once did he even mention the topic of poisonous plants in pastures. This is extremely significant and as I said I already stated this but no one cares. They apparently think they are smarter than Greg Judy or else they think that Greg Judy probably did talk about poisonous plants but I wasn't paying attention or some stupid s*** like that. People here have really serious psychological issues.
"So, this is how you operate on a comminuted femur fracture".

"But why do we have to do it that way? Why is it that it doesn't matter-"

"Why? Because that's how I've been doing it for years, and that's how my esteemed senior doctors taught me to do it. Questions?"

"...No, sir"

"Good".

Enjoy your glorified carpentry, dave.
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But since you all live in an octo Hatter world, the conversation went on and on and round and round in meaningless circles for pages and Pages. Okto Hatter's love to complicate everything. Job security I guess. Sorry for the weird Siri dictation.
Dave, the reason "the conversation went on and on and round and round in meaningless circles for pages and pages" is because someone decided it was better to potificate on alternative definitions of "ecosystem enhancement"- And NEVER got around to actually addressing the issue discussed.

Your hypocrisy is quite annoying. If you feel you want to steer away from the question of WHY you feel you need not know or do certain things under HMG, just say so.

No one will think any less of you.
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BTW, I take it we're no longer talking about poisonous plants, or about why there's no reason to know or do specific things in HMG.

Oh well.
That whole stupid conversation could have been reduced to... Hey Dave, be careful how close you take your pen next to your Woods because there can be poisonous plants in there.
No.

You're just pretending now.
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BTW, I take it we're no longer talking about poisonous plants, or about why there's no reason to know or do specific things in HMG.

Oh well.
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Inb4

Rainforest is being destroyed anyway, might as well turn it into pasture
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Lol

Quote
The left-wing conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russian officials ahead of the 2016 presidential campaign continued to crash and burn Friday, with Robert Mueller's indictment showing the foreign nationals began meddling in US politics one year before Donald Trump announced his run for office.

https://www.hannity.com/media-room/collusion-collapse-mueller-says-russian-meddling-began-before-trumps-candidacy/amp/



Almost exactly a year after the above tweet: "Woman Who Helped Organize Miss Universe in 2013 Announced Trump's Presidential Run in January, 2015"

Go ahead and put your high-speed mind to work on the possible implications.
On a side note: I talk with many people from Russia and other former USSR countries at work. They often can't speak Greek and I don't speak Russian, so we discuss in English.

I've NEVER heard anyone do the pseudo-stereotypical "no articles" accent. It just doesn't occur.

Why the hell is that woman tweeting that way?
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Lol

Quote
The left-wing conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russian officials ahead of the 2016 presidential campaign continued to crash and burn Friday, with Robert Mueller's indictment showing the foreign nationals began meddling in US politics one year before Donald Trump announced his run for office.

https://www.hannity.com/media-room/collusion-collapse-mueller-says-russian-meddling-began-before-trumps-candidacy/amp/
:facepalm:

In other news, the Internal Affairs conspiracy that public servant John Onatake was colluding with the Mob to conceal and facilitate their illegal activities, continued to crash and burn when it was shown that the Mob was involved in illegal activities way before Mr. Onatake was in office.
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Dave, under your plan to save the world, what ecological systems will be dominant?
Isn't your plan to cover the world with 2 acre lots of pasture/woodlands, supporting a handful milk producing herbivores?
Whatever type of system is best suited for feeding people sustainably in each area of the world.

Is this different from what you've said in the past? eg: Your 2 acre lots everywhere using HMG to generate milk and meat?
No it's no different. But you might think it is because you might have been reading other people's caricatures of what I say instead of what I actually say.

Actually there is enough land. Here's the breakdown...

Row crops - 5.4 million sq miles - 3.456 billion acres
Permanent crops - 0.593 million sq miles - 0.379 billion acres
Permanent Pastures - 12.9 million sq miles - 8.256 billion acres
Woodland - 15.4 million sq miles - 9.856 billion acres

TOTAL - 34.3 million sq miles - 21.9 billion acres

So there's about 3 acres per person available assuming a population figure of 7 billion

I get it from reading your posts, like the one above. Please clarify.
Your "2 acre lots" sounds like ... well ... "2 acre lots"

What I said was that there's about 3 acres per person available ... which means that 1 person could have 3 acres ... or a family of 6 could have 18 acres ... or a sustainable subdivision of 300 could have 900 acres ... etc.

I'm not interested in the acreage. As you've demonstrated from your own efforts, you seem to consider that value quite flexible.
What I'm interested in is the ecosystems that you are planning to cover the world with. Can you please answer that?
Well ... Mark Shepard has said that the type ecosystem which can support large mammals (like humans and others) best is what he calls the "Oak Savannah" ... pasture with trees either sprinkled about as in the Spanish dehesa or in bands with the pasture as alleys.  If he's correct, then I would advocate for this general configuration everywhere on earth that it's possible.  Now many places on earth cannot currently grow trees because soil moisture retention is too low, but this can be changed with ... [drum roll] ... COWS!!!!  Or other large herbivores.
Would that "enhance" ecosystems overall?


(Ninja'd)
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I know you guys don't accept this but all deserts are man-made. It's true whether you want to believe it or not.
No. It's not true. And if you understood the 'system' part of the word ecosystem you'd know why that is a dumbass thing to say.
The progression of man-made destruction often starts with deforestation. Then it typically progresses to creating pasture for cattle grazing, or if the land is flat enough row crops are planted. In other places a robust grassland is exploited by agriculturalists such as what happened on the Llano estacado in the United States. That area is slowly becoming a desert and it is a direct result of mankind. This is the case in many areas all over the world.

You're such a f****** idiot that you don't know this.
Dave, I understand ecosystems as a concept. If you did, you'd know that you are talking about an amplifying feedback loop and that there are lots of those. Hence holistic management. Ecosystem management includes resilience, adaptation, and transformation. They are different responses to various dynamic behaviors of the ecosystems. What it doesn't include, at least if you are being holistic, is stable equilibrium.  It's a sad commentary that you can still miss this point when it has been explained clearly and simply to you hundreds of times. Please read the Holling article so we can at least start from a common idea. You will find it useful and it's not very long. If you won't read it, I guess that you are satisfied with your NPD chamber's soothing validation of your brilliance and your bubble is complete. I do know what you think. You don't know what anyone else thinks.

Good luck with that world saving business, btw.
Dave, read Testy's post again. Pay special attention to the underlined part.

It is relevant to the poisonous plants inquiry.
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I know you guys don't accept this but all deserts are man-made. It's true whether you want to believe it or not.
And you know that because there are wall paintings of bovines in the Sahara.

Sigh.

Oh well. Different subject for another trainwreck.
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Either way, this never was about defining ecosystem "enhancement" or destruction. It was about providing a REASON for not caring to know about specific things, and performing specific actions, in relation to HMG. So far, we've had nothing other than "Nature Knows Best"- Whatever that means.
Well the reason I got into this definition stuff was because of the discussion about why HMG practitioners say that we are mimicking nature. When I talk about mimicking nature I am talking about activities which enhance ecosystems or at least do not destroy them. Mother Nature without interference from mankind never destroys ecosystems but mankind is capable of destroying ecosystems. That's a very important difference between mother nature and Mankind.  Most of modern agriculture these days is destroying ecosystems, and this is in contrast to HMG practitioners which are either enhancing or maintaining ecosystems not destroying them.
That Nature never destroys ecosystems is evidently incorrect- But, again, that has little (if anything) to do with providing a REASON for not caring to know about specific things, and performing specific actions, in relation to HMG.
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Sorry dave, had to go to sleep. Living in the future and all that.
Does a poisonous plant increase or reduce numbers of species in a given area?
All things being equal, if the plant was not there before and it is now, then it represents a net increase in the number of species.
I did answer you
And I answered back.
Now, what would those poisonous plants do to the other species numbers- like the animals that eat them?
My guess is that some species would eat them and be just fine and other species would avoid them. Hard to predict the net effect.
Good. So it's hard to say that there will be a "net increase" as you previously suggested- And, in fact, if we take into account the possibility that you neglected to mention (that animals might eat the plants and actually get sick or die), a decrease is also possible.

But of course, poisonous plants are parts of ecosystems, so they obviously do not destroy any ecosystem they are found in. There does seem to be a kind of balance here- Not a static balance, but a dynamic one. It's not just there, it wasn't put in place: It was an emergent, fluid and continuous property.

Again: To understand that balance, one has to understand the reasons and processes behind it. You need to realise the 'goal' the poisonous plant has, for example (you can call it "design" if you like, it's not important in this context), and the means for achieving it.

Why is the plant poisonous? perhaps it is just random variation, but it takes hold on the population. Why? does it serve a "purpose"?
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Either way, this never was about defining ecosystem "enhancement" or destruction. It was about providing a REASON for not caring to know about specific things, and performing specific actions, in relation to HMG. So far, we've had nothing other than "Nature Knows Best"- Whatever that means.
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Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to think that the former situation is a wee bit more likely.
Unless that powerful leader is Trump, of course.
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The animals that eat the poisonous plants die. What happens then?

Imagine one of your favorite "isolated island" scenarios to simplify things. Just the plants (with a poisonous variety) and the animals that eat them. What's your prediction?