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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #125
The record old that has hit the US isn't unexpected, and actually fits the trend of winter cooling for the regions hardest hit.  What is a bit different is this cold is so widespread and extreme that it actually is leading to less snowfall for many areas.

So if those areas were warmer there would be more snowfall??

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #126
It snowed again in the Sahara
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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #127
Mid 70s here again today, but NOAA predicts some rain tomorrow, possible "heavy rain" Monday night and Tuesday!  Rain gutters are cleaned and ready...

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #128
It snowed again in the Sahara

Heaviest in living memory apparently and a fabulous sight.

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  • MikeB
Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #129
We finally got our good rain here, about 3 inches over two days.  I'm glad to have it, but some poor folks in the burn areas were subject to mud and rock flows, flash flood style, and lost their homes or worse.

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #130
https://wwa.climatecentral.org/analyses/north-american-cold-winter-2017-2018/

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1.  The two-week cold outbreak in the northeastern U.S. and southeastern Canada was highly unusual in the current climate; however, it is not unprecedented.
2.  Cold waves like this have decreased in intensity and frequency over the last century, but still occur.
3.  Temperatures like these are now about fifteen times rarer. This is equivalent to cold waves being about 4ºF (2ºC) warmer than they used to be.

Summary

Over the last week of 2017 and first week of 2018, a cold wave gripped the northeastern U.S. and southeastern Canada, with temperatures over 18ºF (10ºC) colder than is typical at this time of year over this area, setting records at many sites. We show that the temperature of North American cold waves has increased substantially over the last century due to global warming. So, although this cold spell would not have been unusual before global warming, it is now a relatively rare event in any one region. The chance of a cold wave anywhere in North America is much larger than in this specific location. We do not find any evidence for an intensification of these types of cold waves due to the Arctic warming faster than the midlatitudes. On the contrary, they seem to be warming faster than the winter mean as the Arctic air coming south is less cold now.



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Figure 4: Temperature [ºC] of the coldest two-week period averaged over land points in 40º-50ºN, 65º-95ºW (Berkeley 1880-2013, ERA-interim 2013-2016/17, ECMWF analyses+forecasts 2017/18). The green line is a 10-year running mean.

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #131
You understand maybe that people currently chipping ice off their bloodless eyelids might take a jaundiced view of being told that what they are experiencing is pure luxury compared with earlier lower co2 times and that they should spend trillions of dollars in a trivially demonstrable futile effort specifically in order to go back to those cryogenic epochs?

Well go ahead if you must but do remember to duck as you make that ultimate killer argument.

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #132
The cold kills the bugs that eats the trees!  How can you have any pudding, if they don't eats the trees?

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #133
It's currently 56° in New Hampshire. Bastards. It's 14° here.

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #134
The record old that has hit the US isn't unexpected, and actually fits the trend of winter cooling for the regions hardest hit.  What is a bit different is this cold is so widespread and extreme that it actually is leading to less snowfall for many areas.

So if those areas were warmer there would be more snowfall??
No

It's the widespread nature of the pattern that suppresses snowfall in this case.  Where there was open water the snowfall was actually record snow.   All time record snow.

Same for sea ice and ;lakes, rivers and stream ice.  Record amounts of ice.  But the wide area means no warm air can interact with the cold to produce snow.  That changed of course, and now the record cold is causing more snow records to be broken again.
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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #135
The cold kills the bugs that eats the trees!  How can you have any pudding, if they don't eats the trees?
Thank God for the cold.  It should help fight some disease and bug problems from the warmer winters.  Nature is a bitch
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #136
It snowed again in the Sahara
But while rare, it's not unheard of. Temperatures at night can plummet. It's the lack of humidity that prevents precipitation. More disturbed weather (as predicted by climate change) can bring in a storm to provide that rare moisture.

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #137
The cold kills the bugs that eats the trees!  How can you have any pudding, if they don't eats the trees?
Thank God for the cold.  It should help fight some disease and bug problems from the warmer winters.  Nature is a bitch

So US-centric!  :]  Weather is global.

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #138
No you moron, there is no such thing as global weather.   There is also no such thing as a global temperature, or climate.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #139
It snowed again in Florida, while Russia seems to have broken the all time record (again) for the coldest temperature measured at a weather station.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
― Mark Twain 🔭

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #140
No you moron, there is no such thing as global weather.  There is also no such thing as a global temperature, or climate.
Thank you for pointing that out. Weather, is, I should have said, anecdotal.

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #141
It snowed again in Florida, while Russia seems to have broken the all time record (again) for the coldest temperature measured at a weather station.

That clinches it. Snow in Florida. Get stocked up for the next Ice Age!

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #142
The sarcasm tell, once again
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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #143
I'm still wondering what exactly sarcasm is supposed to "tell" you.

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #144
Maybe if you did a search for "the sarcasm tell" you would learn something
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #145
Oh Jesus Christ I'm not reading Scott fucking Adams' stupid blog.

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #146
Okay fine, curiosity got the better of me...
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When you see the tell it means you won the argument.
LOL. This is something someone who makes a lot of dumb and bad arguments says to themselves to make themselves feel better. "People are making fun of my arguments! That must mean I won!"

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #147
I've observed it happening for decades, I just didn't have a name for it.

But it almost always happens.  After presenting facts (that can't just be handwaved away), and supporting an argument, the moron who realizes he is done, almost always makes an absurd absolute, then adds the sarcasm, then they go off and feel like they won.  It happens all the time.

Like the issue of snow and temperature.  Nobody learns a damn thing, and they still think they won, no matter what.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
― Mark Twain 🔭

Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #148
Have you considered that the facts you present rarely support an argument? That, in fact, you rarely ever actually make a coherent argument that facts might be presented to support?

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Re: NH winter cooling
Reply #149
When somebody presents data that shows why they make a claim,but the data is nonsense, you don't see the tell.  It happens when the data can't just be ignored.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man."
― Mark Twain 🔭