Ok men ... confession time ...  is there any  man here that has not looked at a Playboy magazine? Or equivalent?

why don't you use the modern lingo: porn

And the answer is ... if everyone is honest ... "Yes" ... there's probably not a man here that has not drooled over some Playboy centerfold, many of them young - 20s and even teens.  So how are you "ok" doing this, but I'm not "ok" saying "woohoo" about the Maasai dudes' young bride?

Problem is ... most people here AREN'T honest.

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And the answer is ... if everyone is honest ... "Yes" ... there's probably not a man here that has not drooled over some Playboy centerfold,

You are wrong.

But wtf does this thread have to do with 'Science' - even 'Alternative Science'  ?   

And the answer is ... if everyone is honest ... "Yes" ... there's probably not a man here that has not drooled over some Playboy centerfold, many of them young - 20s and even teens.  So how are you "ok" doing this, but I'm not "ok" saying "woohoo" about the Maasai dudes' young bride?

Another transparently obvious attempted deflection from the actual issues people are calling you out on. Quelle surprise.

If you don't understand what people are saying try asking and then reading their responses with intent to comprehend.

We all know how likely that is though.

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Dave is trying to rationalise this comment:

And he was still fathering children at that age ... and took a pretty 15 year old bride!!  Woo hoo!

By equivocating 15 year olds with Playboy models.

Anyway, I think we now know where Dave stands on the Roy Moore question. Right next to him, in the mall, ogling schoolkids.

Hypocrites playing dumb.

Keep digging.

oh look, it's the famous Hawkins battle cry:

IKYABWAI!!!

Guaranteed to strike fear into his enemies. Or not. YMMV.

I'm scared, hold me. 

Hypocrites playing dumb.

Keep digging.

Dave, you know that thing you do, where because you do something, particularly something that others frown upon, you then imagine everyone else must do it too.

That's called projection.

So you don't look at young exploited women in Playboy Magazine? Just read the articles, huh?

Get real dude.

no men are righteous

their biology makes it impossible

no men are righteous

their biology makes it impossible

Of course there are righteous men! Stop oppressing trans bodies!

And the answer is ... if everyone is honest ... "Yes" ... there's probably not a man here that has not drooled over some Playboy centerfold, many of them young - 20s and even teens.  So how are you "ok" doing this, but I'm not "ok" saying "woohoo" about the Maasai dudes' young bride?

What the FUCK is wrong with you dave. Seriously.

Read what you just posted. Explain the supposed equivalency here.

Go on.

Hypocrites playing dumb.

Keep digging.

He says, his muffled voice barely reaching everyone from the bottom of the large borehole he made for himself.

So you don't look at young exploited women in Playboy Magazine? Just read the articles, huh?

Get real dude.

Did you know that, every time a guy drools over a playboy centerfold, a cupid gets his wings, a satyr gets his horns, and a 74yo man fucks a 15 year old girl? It's true! Get REAL people!

I have to say that I was genuinely surprised, dave. I thought you were a lot of things, but I never took you for a creep. Until now.

Let me get a few things straight here. In your opinion:

1: Is it wrong to marry a pubescent girl by purchasing her from her father, knowing full well that her society gives her no choice in the matter and will punish her severely if she does not comply, and then having sex with her? Y/N

2: If I heard about some 74 year old purchasing a 15 year old who has been taught that this is what society expects of her and will punish her severely if she does not comply, and my response was "woohoo! Good for him!", would that make me a massive asshole? Y/N

3: If some men find images of young naked ladies arousing, does that make it any more or less wrong to cheer when you hear about an old man purchasing a child bride that will be severely punished if she fails to obey? Y/N

I love how Dave is framing women who pose for Playboy as exploited (and equivalent to conduct concerning minors) when he's personally gone above and beyond in not only defending prostitution but the patronizing of it. 

Or implying that anyone here who's read a playboy at some point in their lives would have a problem acknowledging it, would lie about it. Good grief.

Could a mod rename this thread to Thread for a self righteous jackass ?

Hey, remember that time Dave said a thing that made it clear how truly despicable he is, and people decided they'd had enough of talking to him?

Good times.

I love how Dave is framing women who pose for Playboy as exploited

Nah. He's saying that if we were consistent, then we would consider them exploited.

Yeah, I follow that. I don't think for second Dave would consider women in Playboy exploited given his stance on prostitution. It would have been better for me to have worded it as "framing the argument," as in watching him do it.

I love how Dave is framing women who pose for Playboy as exploited

Nah. He's saying that if we were consistent, then we would consider them exploited.

Yes exactly.  Young women are exploited by Playboy and all the other pornographers ... whether they are 15 or 18 or 21 ... they're ALL exploited ... and in a perfect world NO MEN would look at or buy those magazines or look at porn online etc.  But all of us do ... somewhat at least.  Even Holy Faid.  For that matter, if we are going to talk about exploited people, what about all the stuff we buy at Walmart made with prison labor?  Ever read up on Christmas lights and how they are made?  And yes, genital mutilation in young African women is horrible ... I didn't know anything about it until yesterday ... I DO have empathy and no, I would HATE to have that done to me if I were that 15 year old girl.  But this is a separate issue from "marrying an old guy" ... you guys have a strange habit of mixing issues ... not sure why you do it, but possibly it's because you see your position is inconsistent and you want to obscure that fact so you dispense a bunch of squid ink to try to hide your true (inconsistent) views.  In any case, "marrying an old guy" may be a genuine honor in Masai society (you have no idea) and it's in a completely different category that "genital mutilation."  And there is not a single man here - even Holy Faid - who doesn't prefer the visual stimulation of a hot young woman over an older woman.  It's biology.  It's how you were created, men.  Quit trying to deny it.  Accept it, admit it, control it.  In OUR society, don't marry 15 year olds.  It's a bad idea.  Don't date them either.  And if you're really feeling holy, stop looking at porn online which probably involves women who are younger than you imagine.  (And stop buying Christmas lights) In our society, in my opinion, a woman should not marry until her early 20s or so.  But in Masai society ... who knows?  I honestly don't understand much about their society yet and neither do you.  From reading the article I posted, I have no indication whatsoever that this young woman was being forced against her will to marry that old dude.  Maybe she was in indirect ways ... I don't know.  But women are pretty perceptive - more so than men - and you would think that that woman teacher would have written that paragraph a bit differently if she had detected any problem in this relationship.  So chill.  And quit acting like you're all righteous and I'm some kind of creep.  Or don't ... and continue to reinforce my image of you as self righteous hypocritical bastards.  My "woo hoo" was nothing more than an honest admission that MOST MEN would enjoy (1) variety and (2) younger rather than older in their sex life if given the free choice.  I think that's the basic problem here is that you guys are not completely honest ... even with yourselves.

And if we really really really want to get serious about "not exploiting young people" ... let's talk about how SCIENTISTS are poisoning young minds in public schools with "fake science" about how the earth is millions of years old and your uncle is a monkey and we all evolved from pond scum and so on.  Oh and how about vaccinations?  Shooting up babies with a scary cocktail of god-knows-what and LYING to parents telling them it's good for their kids.

Yeah ... let's talk about exploiting people, shall we?