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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1225
funny you bring up Charlottesville,  my union branch was there

anyway go fuck yourself Dave Hawkkkins and HHershold. You are both trash and you both deserve to be harshly punished for being nazis, or if it makes you feel better to not think of yourselves as nazis, for being nazi sympathizers

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1226
That's all you've got isn't it? Violence and hate speech. No rational dialogue. No thoughtful explanations of anything. Just pure mindless hate. Sad.

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1227
I don't mean individual Nazis were insubordinate.  Most certainly they were not.  What I mean is that the Nazi Party broke all the rules of human decency.  Lying, cheating, discriminating, murdering ... on and on.

Language does not work that way, Dave. Here is what Nazism means:

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National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsi.ɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party in Nazi Germany and of other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism's development was influenced by German nationalism (especially Pan-Germanism), the Völkisch movement and the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after Germany's defeat in the First World War.
Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.[2] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a German homogeneous society based on racial purity which represented a people's community (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those who they deemed either community aliens or "inferior" races. The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization.[3]

You cannot use the term to describe any bad quality you can think of. It has its own very serious and consequential meaning. You dilute it by using it to just mean 'bad'.


Great! I am glad you defined what "Nazi" means with such precision.
I consider that to be a positive development.

So! It is logical to ask the question: Is Dave Hawkins a Nazi?

Remember to refer to your own definition of the word before replying.

And, if he is not a Nazi, what are you, borealis, as an admin here, doing about people calling him a Nazi?

Are you at least giving these people a lecture on the proper usage of language, as you did for Dave?

Just asking!


Exactly.

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1228
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1229
Borealis is an idiot apparently.  She does not understand that this situation is not Dave calling Valor a Nazi per se. Rsther it's actually Valor calling Dave a Nazi and Dave objecting because Valor's actions are actually more nazi-like than Dave's.


Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1230
But she cannot bring herself to publicly call out Valor because Valor is on the right team and Dave is on the wrong team.

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1231
Valor might start calling her a Nazi Defender just like he has started with Heinz. That would be awful for borealis! OMG

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1232
Neither Hawkins nor Trump can bring themselves to call out the people* who marched with Nazis in Charlottesville because they were on the right team, and those protesting against them were on the wrong team.

* very fine people
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1233
I don't mean individual Nazis were insubordinate.  Most certainly they were not.  What I mean is that the Nazi Party broke all the rules of human decency.  Lying, cheating, discriminating, murdering ... on and on.

Language does not work that way, Dave. Here is what Nazism means:

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National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsi.ɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party in Nazi Germany and of other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism's development was influenced by German nationalism (especially Pan-Germanism), the Völkisch movement and the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after Germany's defeat in the First World War.
Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.[2] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a German homogeneous society based on racial purity which represented a people's community (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those who they deemed either community aliens or "inferior" races. The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization.[3]

You cannot use the term to describe any bad quality you can think of. It has its own very serious and consequential meaning. You dilute it by using it to just mean 'bad'.


Great! I am glad you defined what "Nazi" means with such precision.
I consider that to be a positive development.

So! It is logical to ask the question: Is Dave Hawkins a Nazi?

Remember to refer to your own definition of the word before replying.

And, if he is not a Nazi, what are you, borealis, as an admin here, doing about people calling him a Nazi?

Are you at least giving these people a lecture on the proper usage of language, as you did for Dave?

Just asking!



I'm sure you've read my post 1218 which offers some perspective on why Dave occasionally gets called a Nazi.

Dave was just calling anything he doesn't like 'Nazi', which makes him look childishly ignorant. He might as well call someone a poopyhead; it's as closely related to actual definitions.

Please note Dave can continue calling anyone he wants to 'Nazi', as there is no rule against it - as I'm sure you already know.

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And, if he is not a Nazi, what are you, borealis, as an admin here, doing about people calling him a Nazi?

Why, nothing at all! See above.

Perhaps it will help you understand if I mention that if I am speaking as Admin/moderator, I state that within the post.

Perhaps it will also help you understand when I state that more than half the time, if, as a thread participant, I admonish or correct Dave, it is in the hope that he'll change his view/understanding to something more closely resembling reality, or at least to something an average human can understand. I don't think Dave is a racist. I do think he is gullible and fails to understand a lot of things simply out of a lack of knowledge.


Should I infer from this, the reason you do not admonish or correct "Valor" is you have no hope that he will change his view/understanding or at least learn to behave in a manner that an average human can understand?

Or should I infer that you just choose to issue your admonishments or corrections according to your own biases?

If it is the first case, I suppose I can understand that, as it is obvious that Bart/Valor is a piece of shit who will never reform.

If it is the second case, I suggest you consider resigning from your admin position, as your bias prevents you from carrying out your duties even-handedly.





Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1234

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1235
Neither Hawkins nor Trump can bring themselves to call out the people* who marched with Nazis in Charlottesville because they were on the right team, and those protesting against them were on the wrong team.

* very fine people
you are lying about me here. It's a subtle lie where you use Spin and innuendo. I would never defend and never have defended Nazi ideology, but I will always defend people's right to speak their mind and to March and organize peacefully.

I absolutely denounce Nazi ideology, slavery, and violence such as driving the car into the crowd.

As for Trump's comment about very fine people I never accuse or defend a Man Without first hearing what he has to say for himself about the comment. And I have not read anything about what he was referring to, so I have to withhold judgement at this time.

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1236
Bart/Valor

I've told you, I am not Bart. If I told you who I really am, you wouldn't believe me!

I really don't know you, HH, and have spent zero time looking at your posts. It would probably be a waste of my time to do so anyway. So please, tell me something: do you have this Bart fellow so much that you will defend Nazis who oppose him, or do you just enjoy defending Nazis?

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1237
Borealis is an idiot apparently.  She does not understand that this situation is not Dave calling Valor a Nazi per se. Rsther it's actually Valor calling Dave a Nazi and Dave objecting because Valor's actions are actually more nazi-like than Dave's.

Lol. You did say Valor was like a Nazi. The problem is you not using the word within its actual definition. I'm trying to help you out here, Dave, believe it or not.

But she cannot bring herself to publicly call out Valor because Valor is on the right team and Dave is on the wrong team.

Nonsense. I've 'called out' Valor publicly and privately, just not as harshly as you would like. It has nothing to do with 'teams'; this ain't football.

Valor might start calling her a Nazi Defender just like he has started with Heinz. That would be awful for borealis! OMG

Quit projecting, Dave. I literally do not care what Valor or you or Heinz might call me. I'm happy to call anyone out if what they call me is racist, misogynist, etc., but that is related to the social and political aspects of a given epithet, not to the actual name-calling. If it makes you feel any better, call me a poopyhead, there's not a lot of politics, racism or sexism associated with that word. :)

Again, if Valor bothers you that much, use your ignore function. That is what it is for.

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1238
Neither Hawkins nor Trump can bring themselves to call out the people* who marched with Nazis in Charlottesville because they were on the right team, and those protesting against them were on the wrong team.

* very fine people
you are lying about me here.
Nope.
YOU are lying again by saying that I am.
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It's a subtle lie where you use Spin and innuendo.
This is bullshit.
A lie is a lie.
Something that is UNTRUE and stated with the INTENTION TO DECEIVE.
What I wrote is neither of those things.
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I would never defend and never have defended Nazi ideology
But you seem very unclear on what that even is.
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1239
As for Trump's comment about very fine people I never accuse or defend a Man Without first hearing what he has to say for himself about the comment. And I have not read anything about what he was referring to, so I have to withhold judgement at this time.
It was widely and thoroughly reported.
If, at this point, you claim to not have enough information to form an opinion, it is clearly a case of

:lalala:
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1240
Neither Hawkins nor Trump can bring themselves to call out the people* who marched with Nazis in Charlottesville because they were on the right team, and those protesting against them were on the wrong team.

* very fine people
you are lying about me here. It's a subtle lie where you use Spin and innuendo. I would never defend and never have defended Nazi ideology, but I will always defend people's right to speak their mind and to March and organize peacefully.

I absolutely denounce Nazi ideology, slavery, and violence such as driving the car into the crowd.

As for Trump's comment about very fine people I never accuse or defend a Man Without first hearing what he has to say for himself about the comment. And I have not read anything about what he was referring to, so I have to withhold judgement at this time.
He was referring to the events in Charlottesville, where one side killed a woman with a car, and paraded through the town with Tiki torches chanting "Blood and Soil". If you think anyone marching with them is a "fine person" then your definition and mine will never line up.
Why do I bother?

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1241
... paraded through the town with Tiki torches chanting "Blood and Soil"...
And, of course, "Jews will not replace us!"
I posted video of that (in this thread IIRC), so Hawkins can't claim "not enough information".
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1242
Oh Heinz...

<snip>

Why, nothing at all! See above.

Perhaps it will help you understand if I mention that if I am speaking as Admin/moderator, I state that within the post.

Perhaps it will also help you understand when I state that more than half the time, if, as a thread participant, I admonish or correct Dave, it is in the hope that he'll change his view/understanding to something more closely resembling reality, or at least to something an average human can understand. I don't think Dave is a racist. I do think he is gullible and fails to understand a lot of things simply out of a lack of knowledge.


Should I infer from this, the reason you do not admonish or correct "Valor" is you have no hope that he will change his view/understanding or at least learn to behave in a manner that an average human can understand?

In fact I have admonished Valor both publicly and privately. Just not, apparently, for the things you want me to.

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Or should I infer that you just choose to issue your admonishments or corrections according to your own biases?

If it is the first case, I suppose I can understand that, as it is obvious that Bart/Valor is a piece of shit who will never reform.

If it is the second case, I suggest you consider resigning from your admin position, as your bias prevents you from carrying out your duties even-handedly.


Or perhaps I have, rather than a bias that I act upon, a different perspective than you do.  I'll also mention that you seem unfamiliar with the Charter limitations an admin works with, combined with the genuine intent to provide as broadly free a platform as is plausible for a message board.

If I'm all that biased, why do you think Dave Hawkins is still here, despite him regularly calling me a manipulative bitch and other, frequently sexist names? Or do you think it's okay to refer to women you disagree with as 'manipulative bitches and cunts'?

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1243
Borealis does seem biased to me but it's pretty hard for people to completely overcome all their biases. We all have them and they will inevitably show up.

In her defense, I will say that TR is the best Forum experience I have ever had in my 12 years of interacting on science forums. Borealis is a hell of a lot less biased than Wesley Elsberry was and she is much less biased than any of the other admins at Richard Dawkins or that other forum that I used to post at which I don't even remember the name.

Also, being an admin is probably a pain in the ass at times and I personally wouldn't want the job.
  • Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 08:46:55 AM by Dave Hawkins

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1244
Borealis does seem biased to me but it's pretty hard for people to completely overcome all their biases. We all have them and they will inevitably show up.

In her defense, I will say that TR is the best Forum experience I have ever had in my 12 years of interacting on science forums. Borealis is a hell of a lot less biased than Wesley Elsberry was and she is much less biased than any of the other admins at Richard Dawkins or that other forum that I used to post at which I don't even remember the name.

Also, being an admin is probably a pain in the ass at times and I personally wouldn't want the job.
Hey, Bluffy, is there any variation in intensity or is it just a digital characteristic?
Are we there yet?

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1245
Borealis is an idiot apparently.  She does not understand that this situation is not Dave calling Valor a Nazi per se. Rsther it's actually Valor calling Dave a Nazi and Dave objecting because Valor's actions are actually more nazi-like than Dave's.


Um.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1246
As for Trump's comment about very fine people I never accuse or defend a Man Without first hearing what he has to say for himself about the comment. And I have not read anything about what he was referring to, so I have to withhold judgement at this time.
It was widely and thoroughly reported.
If, at this point, you claim to not have enough information to form an opinion, it is clearly a case of

:lalala:
Well, in Dave's defense, he is fucking stupid.
A walk through the ocean of most mens souls would scarcely get your feet wet.

Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1247
Borealis does seem biased to me but it's pretty hard for people to completely overcome all their biases. We all have them and they will inevitably show up.

In her defense, I will say that TR is the best Forum experience I have ever had in my 12 years of interacting on science forums. Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well, for instance, you just said:
Borealis is an idiot apparently.  Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So her job is made difficult because of your abuse, Dave.

ETA:  You are a self righteous dick, Dave.
  • Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 01:44:01 PM by Seven Popes
Quote from: Dave Hawkins on Sun Jan 14 2018 19:59:03 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
you suck at truth detection. (And spelling)

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1248
Borealis does seem biased to me but it's pretty hard for people to completely overcome all their biases. We all have them and they will inevitably show up.



Of course Borealis is biased. She is an ordinary human being and you are a wilfully ignorant and cowardly despicable liar. Would be hard not to be.

The remarkable bit is the lengths Borealis (and the rest of the staff but mostly Borealis) goes to to accommodate you and your continual bullshit.

Integrity can be hard at times, ask someone who has some.
  • Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 05:22:17 PM by Fenrir
It's what plants crave.

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Re: Was the Slavery Issue the Primary Cause of the Civil War?
Reply #1249
Borealis does seem biased to me but it's pretty hard for people to completely overcome all their biases. We all have them and they will inevitably show up.



Of course Borealis is biased. She is a ordinary human being and you are a wilfully ignorant and cowardly despicable liar. Would be hard not to be.

The remarkable bit is the lengths Borealis (and the rest of the staff but mostly Borealis) goes to to accommodate you and your continual bullshit.

Integrity can be hard at times, ask someone who has some.

How would he recognize it in someone else?
Quote from: Dave Hawkins on Today at 07:50:40 AM
Lol
Sea Star has been trolling me this whole time.