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There's also the whole issue of what sorts of sandstones there are. We already know from the St Peters and other sandstone layers we can see or have data from that sandstones often contain varying amounts of rocks of all sizes, uncemented sands, mudstone, siltstone, etc. And that the grains of sand also vary dramatically in makeup and weathering.
If I understand it correctly, there is a lack of dead things in those layers. They must instead have accumulated in some other places where Dave has found vast sheets of sandstone filled with dead things, proving his ideas.
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Actually, Vox, I had a spelling brainfart.  :staregonk:
Good. So I can still claim my expanded definition "entymology: the study of the origin of insect names".
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Spoiler (click to show/hide)

He wouldn't need to look for a gap if he didn't cling to one of the most unreasonable Christianish denominations on the planet. He's fine with grasshoppers having six legs, not four, as are all of them (aside from the really twisted interpretations of what 'four' means in context) Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I WTFed untill I googled:
http://www.icr.org/article/does-bible-really-claim-that-insects-only-have-fou/
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Today, locusts are considered migratory grasshoppers. They all have two large hind legs, quite different in appearance, size, and function from the front four legs. Their front legs are used for "crawling, clinging, and climbing," while their back legs rest "above" their front legs and feet, and are used for "jumping." Furthermore, the Hebrew word translated "beetle" actually comes from the verb "to leap," implying a similar leaping insect, not our modern beetle. Thus, the Biblical description of grasshoppers turns out to be exactly anatomically correct. Far from being an embarrassment to Bible believers, this passage bears sterling testimony to the accuracy and inspiration of Scripture. As always, arguments which claim that the Bible is wrong are themselves wrong, and the Bible still stands!
wut?

Lol. Told you.

Also the bolded line in that ICR bit is entymological ignorance. If the word means 'beetle', then it seems awkward to pretend it means some other insect. There are lots of beetles that jump/leap, including click beetles (Elateridae ) and flea beetles. And there would be no difference between beetles of Biblical eras and 'modern' beetles. The same vast multitude of beetle species exists today, minus a few extinctions.
Damn. I thought I had invented and was the only one to define and use the portmanteau "entymology: the study of insect names". Or is it just a typo?
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We expect low behavior and lying from Dave, but and we shrug it off, but a lapse of grammer has us clutching our pearls.
It's nice there's there are standards and expectations.
It's a shame they're asymmetrical.
ETA, Better.
grammer := grammar (Algol notation)
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Step 3 ... use TR members for undergrad research and award honorary PhD's from AF Dave University if they do good work!


If I were to receive such a reward, I'd sue for defamation.
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In other words, "I know absolutely nothing about this aspect of science, but I'm going to make statements about it anyway!"
My impression from following this and another thread is that this interpretation could be condensed to "I know absolutely nothing, but I'm going to make statements anyway!"
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Linguistic interlude: The language spoke in Iran is called Persian in English. "Farsi" is Persian in Persian. For example, Iranian Government licensed translators will end their translations into English with "Translated from an original in Persian."
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https://www.popsci.com/sahara-desert-drought-humans
So now you think that goats and cows created a desert. How could cows re-establish the supposed greenery that they destroyed?
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Dave got nearly everything in the article wrong. It's not entirely his fault - the article gets several things wrong by implication - but even what the article gets right, Dave gets wrong.

It's impressive, really.

This.

It's almost the archetypal Hawkins post

- Hawkins clearly doesn't know what he is talking about

- his source doesn't say what Hawkins says it does (because Hawkins doesn't know what he is talking about)
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- Hawkins understanding of how government works in the UK (and the other independent states that choose to share their Head of State with the UK) seems rooted in  the 18th century at the latest...it can be the only reason why he might think that Prince Charles is  viewed as an "authority" on anything in "England". In Hawkins head it's still  1776.


Priceless vintage Hawkins.
Thanks, superhoop. I hadn't even noted the use of "England".

Dave, if Charles becomes king of England, who will be king of Wales?
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No but it would be nice to have LIFE on all Land surfaces wherever possible.  Wouldn't you agree? Or would you prefer that places like West Texas become more like the Sahara? that is, pretty lifeless. Kind of like a moonscape.
Where have you found land surfaces without life, sorry, LIFE, where it should be possible? Hell, there will be varied life even where you probably think it would be impossible because the absence of cows.

Imagine an island formed of emerging lava just half a century ago. Life now? Plants, birds, marine LIFE, insects... Google Surtsey.

More recently, just before the year 2000, an island was built in the sound between Denmark and Sweden. The material was scooped up from the sea bottom. Salt sea even. Possible for LIFE? Birds, insects, hares, well on its way to be overgrown with plants. Google Peberholm.
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Are you legitimately under the impression that different climates and biomes and habitats didn't exist before agriculture began? That the whole earth was a perpetual Missouri, evenly hydrated over the whole year?


That's his view. The garden of Eden.
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Of course Savory is above any suspicion of any sort of HIDDEN AGENDA.

HIDDEN? Isn't it mostly making money, in plain sight?
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As for desiring admiration and authority, that is just you I'm afraid. Personally I would find admiration a little embarrassing, and if people treated what I say as somehow authoritative, I would lose out on opportunities to learn about points of view other than my own.
Admiration --> embarrassment was my first thought when I read Dave's comment, but I struggled in vain to make that thought a comment. I also agree with vivisectus on being elevated to a position of authority, but add that personally, that would also in most cases make me feel more responsibility than I'd be comfortable with.
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One of the (many) things I admire about Pingu is her tendency toward clarity.  If you pay attention to her arguments, then either you end up agreeing with her or else you end up with a clearer idea of why you disagree with her.  Both outcomes are good.
Agreed (of course). It's easy to follow her arguments, because they mostly take very little previous knowledge or independent reasoning for granted, but build up her case in tight, logical steps.
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Another caption contest ... ready, set, go!


The leader of the free world counting down on Trump's time left in office.
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For example, does anything we know about hydrogen or oxygen by themselves help us predict what will be the density of water? Or the specific heat of water? Or the fact that water expands when it freezes?
Read VoxRat's answer. If you don't understand that, go back to school for remedy classes in physics and chemistry.
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Here's another little interesting snippet I ran across recently which relates to the superiority of animal food products...


Does the author explain why they write "Jurched" and not "Jurchen"?
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The Life Science divisions of Universities today are not much different than the medieval Catholic churches.  Hell, they even have cardinals professors wearing bright red robes with decorations and fancy hats!!  And they give empty homilies at church graduation ceremonies, just like priests!
So, how would you judge Swedish universities? I've never seen professors who dressed in a way that would distinguish them from students, and when I graduated, there was not a trace of a ceremony.

And like Borealis wrote, there was no need to discuss the age of the Earth or Origin of Species. Never ever in Church, and in school the relevant principles and the obvious proof were given and taken as facts.
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Dave, when a single tree falls it doesn't clear a saw the 300ft wide and a mile long.  You're not proposing to clear a little false here and there at the kind of rate you'd expect to be happening in the forest anyway. You wanted to "thin the canopy by 50%". All those animals attracted to light gaps by the abundance of food? Normally they live in the canopy. Remove half of it and you destroy their habitat.
Is opening up some "light gaps" comparable to those described in the article the same as thinning the entire rainforest canopy to 50%?  No I don't think so.

Did I say it was? No, no I did not. I'm pointing out to you that natural breaks in the canopy are not what you are proposing to create. They, and the huge amounts of leaching that you will open the soil up to, are not comparable to a gap in the canopy that lasts a few years at most, is rapidly colonised by shrubs and (comparatively) low growing trees that will still be supplying the thin topsoil with nutrients, and taking those nutrients up almost as fast as they are applied. The bulk of the biomass is still in the plants, not the soil. It still doesn't get a chance to build up, because those plants, being rainforest plants, are adapted to soils with very few nutrients and take everything up as fast as they can. And yes, there will be increased leaching in that little area, because there will be more rainfall reaching the forest floor in large bursts, rather than gradually as a result of being delayed by the canopy and all the plants living up there.

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I stopped talking about the 50% thing when I saw too many heads exploding.  We can talk about that again later once you've gotten your heads around "light gaps."

Dave, we understand light gaps as being a standard part of rainforest ecology. They form, there;s a brief flurry of activity around them, and then they close up again. More importantly they're small and widely spaced. Totally unlike your proposals.

Dave, once you've gotten your head around basic rainforest ecology maybe you can start thinking about exactly what effects your idiotic and utterly destructive policy will have on animals and plants that depend on the canopy and near continuous rainforest cover have. How do you think sloths will be able to get to their communal middens with 330ft gaps between trees? Did you even know sloths have communal middens?
You're full of shit.  I'm tired of arguing with idiots.  Maybe I'll be in the mood another day.  Nothing will be destroyed.  I'm simply going to open up some "light gaps" and feed sheep and goats therein.  The end.
Fortunately, other posters aren't tired of arguing with
you, so the thread goes on.

What, specifically, will grow in your gaps that can feed sheep and goats?
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You are just regurgitating what you have read about all the nutrients being in the canopy. And of course that is somewhat true because rainforest trees are so massive. But I doubt any octohatters have really done a serious analysis of how much NPK and trace minerals are in the rainforest soil because all these nutrients are bound up not only in Roots but also in the bodies of organisms and octohatters aren't used to thinking of nutrients being inside  the bodies of organisms like bacteria and fungi.

 It's a whole different way of thinking.
Very interesting if true. Dave, by what processes do trees access "nutrients being inside the bodies of organisms like bacteria and fungi" and have such processes been observed? What are the (observed?) mechanisms by which microorganism are able to incorporate nutrients (which of course have to be in a solution) before tree roots absorb them directly?
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'Liberal" in the US has a much different meaning than it has in many other countries. Here in Greece, our right-wing party proudly uses the term 'liberal' to refer to their principles.
For another example, in Sweden, there are (perhaps slightly simplified) three major parties to the right of the centre party, Centern.

First to the right, the Liberals. Second, the Moderates, declaring themselves to be a liberal-conservative party. US republicans will probably regard both as socialist. The extreme right party members often look rather fascist, and probably won't go for the Liberal label.
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Has dave answered how he feels about the inverse situation ie doctors want to keep child on life support but parents want to take him off.

(I'm guessing he hasn't/ won't. AFDave's laws and all)
Two weeks now, and your prediction still holds.
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You don't need anesthetic to have stitches. When I was a butcher I remember a guy named bill who would stitch his own cuts because he didn't want to lose the hours it took to go to the little clinic just 5 miles down the road where everyone else went to get them. He was an odd dude but not crazy. It just isn't that bad. He was definitely the only one who did it, but it was only weird because everyone else enjoyed the break. Unpaid or not.
I stitched my own knee in my third year of med school. Just two small stitches with a silk suture. It hurt a lot, and I found the needle hurt way more coming out than going in- I had to stop mid-stitch a few times. I later realized that the reason it was so hard was because you had to fight your own instinct to flinch at the pain, and that made your hand stop and/or jerk back, prolonging and worsening the pinch.
Or maybe I was just a widdle crybaby, I dunno. I certainly never tried it again since.
Back when we used to prick our finger to draw blood for a teaching lab exercise, it was hilarious to watch students use the blade in their right hand to prick a finger of their left hand, but move the left hand away to avoid the blade.  This whole 'self-preservation' thing is generally hard to override.

Peez
It's probably often a case of feeling sufficient motivation. I guess that a diabetic who knows that finger-pricking to test for blood glucose (BG) is literally vital, will soon find the willpower to hack away.

Many years ago, I was a pharma sales rep. To demo BG meters, I had to get a sample from myself and process it. My job depended on it. Just do it and smile. It certainly helped that the perforating gadget was marketed as being quite close to painless, so I had to perform unflinchingly and smiling. It also helped that I was and still am curious of medical matters, so I observed myself and my actions and reactions, which left little opportunity for being afraid or hesitant.

To be able to argue convincingly from personal knowledge of the alternatives, I tried several different puncture aids. Again, curiosity and qualifying for the pay check...

Heck, I even was more curious and analysing than scared when I had my first stroke: I can't lift my left arm or leg!? Irritating but interesting.
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More etymology from Wikipedia, including another explanation of -ine:

Novocain/Novocaine/Procain seems indeed to be derived from cocaine. The trade name Novocaine is from Latin nov- (meaning "new") and -caine, a common ending for alkaloids used as anesthetics.
Lidocaine was first synthesized under the name 'xylocaine' by a Swedish chemist in 1943. The first part of the name comes from an important metabolite, xylidine.
The German pharmacist Friedrich Wilhelm Adam Sertürner was the first to isolate morphine from opium. He called the isolated alkaloid "morphium" after the Greek god of dreams, Morpheus. He became the first person to isolate the active ingredient associated with a medicinal plant or herb.
Sertürner originally named the substance morphium after the god of dreams,  as it has a tendency to cause sleep.

-ine is a suffix used in chemistry to denote two kinds of substances. The first is a chemically basic and alkaloidal substance.

The name codeine is derived from the Ancient Greek κώδεια (kṓdeia, "poppy head").
Oxycodone's chemical name is derived from codeine. The chemical structures are very similar. One of three differences is that Oxycodone has a hydroxy group at carbon-14 (codeine has just a hydrogen in its place).
Hydrocodone, also known as dihydrocodeinone, is a semi-synthetic opioid synthesized from codeine.

Hydromorphone, also known as dihydromorphinone, is made from morphine. Comparatively, hydromorphone is to morphine as hydrocodone is to codeine - it is a hydrogenated ketone thereof.

I found no explanation of "methadone".
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I dunno, I consider it 'lying'.

But today's How to Insult Your Allies Award goes to Trump's newly appointed Ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell:

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Within hours of assuming his new post on Tuesday, Richard Grenell triggered harsh criticism in this Trump-weary country after appearing to threaten one of the American president's frequent targets: German businesses.
In a tweet following President Trump's announcement to leave the Iran nuclear deal, Grenell wrote that "German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately." Germany, alongside France and Britain, wants to stick to the deal Trump is seeking to scrap. And while Grenell's post may not deviate from the official White House stance on future European business dealings with Iran, the timing and tone struck some German politicians, journalists and businessmen as offensive and inappropriate.

[...and after considerable backlash from German politicians and businesses...]

Grenell defended his tweet on Wednesday, writing that he had used "the exact language sent out from the White House talking points & fact sheet." Some German media outlets have acknowledged the diplomat's experience as a spokesman for the U.S. mission to the United Nations during the George W. Bush administration, but his career as a Fox News Channel commentator and early defender of Trump has drawn ire.
If responses to Grenell's Twitter defense on Wednesday offer any indication, the new U.S. ambassador to Germany will be up to a difficult task in Berlin.
"That language is not going to further your cause. If anything, it will do the opposite. Good luck with the new job," Marcel Dirsus, a German political scientist focusing on defense issues, responded to Grenell on Twitter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/05/09/hours-into-his-new-job-trumps-ambassador-to-germany-offends-his-hosts/?utm_term=.7486f75b9d51

Offhand, ordering your allies' businesses around makes for poor diplomacy imv.
Perhaps not quite an ally, but sufficiently insulting to an Asian: Netanyahu's cook serves Japan's Premier Abe a shoe.