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Mafia / Trump Mafia Day 3
Morning of Day 3 of the Trump Administration. All is going swimmingly. Trump went all night without tweeting, and the New York Times, at the top of the newspaper pile, has a nice article about puppies on the front cover. Perfect. So you pull out the Washington Post and...

oh.

Seems like Nostrum has been wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money hiring charter planes to fly herself and her wife around for vacation. You can't tell which is worse: that Nostrum just got caught wasting taxpayer money, or that Nostrum doesn't even own her own private plane. What a loser!



Nostrum was Tom Price, secretary of health and human services. She was town

Alive:
MikeS
borealis
Nostrum
gib
testy

timewave
LD
bilirubin
valor
ksen
pepermintbutler
rachmarie
Divagreen
nesb

Day ends at 9:00 AM MT Wednesday morning.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
whoa there let's not talk shit on fossils
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
literally american taliban
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
The primary motivation of the pundit class is to continue believing in their own magic explanatory powers,

Looks like Potter is trying to explain el jefe to himself.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
you say that as if the people in charge aren't looking and saying "well, how can we kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible"

The decision-making process of the Republican Party and the Trump Administration makes a lot more sense if you accept that they're actively trying to kill people, including American citizens.
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 2
After a day of foul moods all around, you decide to throw nesb to the wolves. He's been so stable all this time, so he must, must be the leaker, right?

But of course, he's not. It's just the military background. Nesb was James Mattis, and probably the only thing protecting this administration from outright scandal, the town doc.



Day 3 begins tomorrow morning at 9:00 AM MT. Night moves please.
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 2
nightfall you guys

jeez lemme count votes
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 2
and will figure out whether we're gonna hiatus this for a few days because apparently there is interest.
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 2
Not had the greatest night. I'll close the day in the morning.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Apparently private security. This is all really illegal.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
puerto rico
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
people are reporting that there are now blackwater mercenaries operating without uniforms all over PR
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
How did a timeline in which the president of the united states consults Sean Hannity come into being?  Whatever time traveler caused this needs to get his ass back now and fix it.

dude this stub is fucked, sorry.
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General Discussion / Re: 2017 hurricane season
wait what
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General Discussion / Re: 2017 hurricane season
plus side, the next hurricane's not hitting the Caribbean because it's headed straight for Ireland.
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 2
the days are 48 hours?

So, no hurry, we have plenty of time to assess.
The only change to my town readings from yesterday s perhaps bili.
Not reading him as scum, but in my neutral pile with bor, maybe a slight town lean for both.

I thought it was 24?

days are 24 hours but today will be long because of the weekend
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
None of the Republicans saw resisting Trump as a possible political advantage. Which means, assuming they're not totally off base, that the American voters don't actually want to be represented by mavericky truth-tellers who stand up for the little guy. They want slavish toadies to authoritarian thuggishness.
and I don't expect you'll see a lot of republicans standing up to trump.  I just think the apparent impossibility of passing the bills trump supports will force them to move on to bills trump doesn't support.

The issue is not Trump's support. The issue is that their donors want these bills through and won't give more money until they get that.
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guys it's a trap. we know that internet trolls like the OP are all Russian bots.
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Mafia / Trump Mafia Day 2
You wake up to a scandalous NY Times expose (front cover!) with Gib's face front and center. Apparently Gib was caught in a lie too big. He MUST be fired, he got more press than Trump!



Gib was Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, and vanilla town.


But wait! There's more!

There's a story on the cover of the Washington Post, too! It's Testy Calibrate!

How could anyone, anyone think that this doddering old fool was doing anything wrong? Well, it seems he was siphoning money our of the housing commission to fund the building of new pyramids to store grain. Scandal city!

But everyone misjudged Testy, too. He may have seemed dumb as a brick, but he was still pissed as hell about the primaries. No one would have expected the doddering old man in Housing to be the head leaker, but...



Testy was Ben Carson, the scum don.

Alive:
MikeS
borealis
Nostrum
gib
testy
timewave
LD
bilirubin
valor
ksen
pepermintbutler
rachmarie
Divagreen
nesb

Day ends at 9:00 PM MT Sunday night.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
there is a way to fix it, though.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
The problem with all of that reasoning is that they're kind of committed now. That's what I think you don't get. They've committed to a plan of action (repealing obamacare, cutting taxes) that require Trump to be on their side, and if they don't do those things, they lose donor support. They're also committing to this voter disenfranchisement program, so they really don't have much in the way of exit strategies. Their only hope is to pander to their hardcore base and try to harm everyone else's access to votes. At this point, they've pissed off everyone with ethics, so they can't really go back to the center and say "hey, I've really always been a moderate" because you can't do what they've done so far and pretend to be a moderate. So either they need to be prepared to throw their political career away to make a principled stand (Collins, Corker, McCain) or they need to double down. Most are going to continue to do the latter, and that's what we're seeing.

If you think the republicans are going to suddenly decide that supporting Trump is politically insolvent, you're just not paying attention.
I partly agree to the extent that they're stuck with him for various reasons, which is why I dont think they'll ever impeach him or invoke the 25th.  what I think you are missing is that they've already failed to repeal obamacare, and are apparently headed for failure on tax reform.  this year was their best chance to do both, and they tried, and apparently won't get them done.  so it doesn't matter that they're committed, they've already lost.

i don't think they'll totally abandon either goal (especially not tax reform), but I do think they'll see them as unachievable for now, and shift the focus to other things that are achievable, and might placate their donors and voters.  moderate immigration reform would throw a bone to business, and btw give gop candidates a way to claim to swing voters that they don't hate brown people.  criminal justice has the distinction of being favored by everyone but the alt right.

to be clear, my reason for thinking the spat with corker is a tipping point for the gop is not that it's an embarassment or violation of norms for the president to trash talk one of his own party's senators.  in those respects, it is less than nothing compared to other shit he's said.  I think it is critical because of the sheer strategic stupidity of trump picking a fight with a key senator just as they're trying to salvage the year with tax reform.  they see that and it tells them he's even going to fuck up their last chance for a legislative win, and they are saying to hell with this guy.  I think that is reflected in the criticism of trump suddenly coming from all over the right this week.

and again, I don't predict them doing anything heroic like removing trump from office.  I just think they'll ignore him and govern around him to the extent possible.  they'll stop cooperating with him.

They've made, what, four? five? attempts to repeal Obamacare so far, including changing rules in the middle of the night, sneaking off to have meetings in the middle of the night, and so on? These are not activities that make sense in the context of a party that is concerned about a return to normalcy and which wants to just get to the business of governing.

Trump picking fights with lone senators like Corker or McCain who won't be around for the next election cycle isn't going to poison the Republicans against Trump. It's a call to Republicans with longer-term political ambitions to get in line. None of the Republicans are looking at Corker, who is getting panned by his own base and is getting lukewarm praise from liberals who are going to vote against him anyways, and thinking "wow, that's what I want to do." They're trying to keep quiet, stay on the party's good side, and ensure that they'll get the campaign funds they need come January.

You are really overestimating how much these people want to govern.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
The problem with all of that reasoning is that they're kind of committed now. That's what I think you don't get. They've committed to a plan of action (repealing obamacare, cutting taxes) that require Trump to be on their side, and if they don't do those things, they lose donor support. They're also committing to this voter disenfranchisement program, so they really don't have much in the way of exit strategies. Their only hope is to pander to their hardcore base and try to harm everyone else's access to votes. At this point, they've pissed off everyone with ethics, so they can't really go back to the center and say "hey, I've really always been a moderate" because you can't do what they've done so far and pretend to be a moderate. So either they need to be prepared to throw their political career away to make a principled stand (Collins, Corker, McCain) or they need to double down. Most are going to continue to do the latter, and that's what we're seeing.

If you think the republicans are going to suddenly decide that supporting Trump is politically insolvent, you're just not paying attention.
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realistically this should be a litmus test for whether conservatives should be put down.

and they should.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
until you accept the situation, you can't work to improve the situation
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I keep telling you guys, this is the long haul. It's just gonna get worse.