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Virginia Governor's Race
So I saw a new piece of Corey Stewart today, and it made me remember to order my absentee ballot for the primary.

Tell me, TR, who should I vote for? Ralph Northam, the current Lt. Gov., or Tom Perriello?

Not going to lie, Perriello has the advantage here because his dog Jack is listed on his page as the campaign hound:




Anyway, as for Stewart...

If you haven't heard of Stewart, well, he is pretty much pretending to be Trump and is basically a big old piece of shit, but he may not end up getting the Republican nomination:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/a-voice-of-trumpism-struggles-to-find-an-audience-in-virginia/2017/03/16/566a6ce0-fbcc-11e6-be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html

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At a public celebration last summer, Corey Stewart, Prince William County's top Republican, praised his county's diversity and welcomed the renaming of a middle school once christened for a prominent segregationist.

Five months later, in the throes of his campaign for the Republican nomination for governor of Virginia, Stewart joined a group railing against the planned removal of a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee from a park in downtown Charlottesville.

"We've got to defend our culture, we've got to defend our heritage," Stewart barked before supporters that included men holding Confederate flags, according to a video on his Twitter page.

With a ravenous appetite for rhetorical bombast, Stewart is campaigning as an unapologetic disciple of President Trump, echoing the president's populist diatribes against the Republican establishment, undocumented immigrants, political correctness and the media.

Yet in purple Virginia, the only Southern state that Trump lost to Democrat Hillary Clinton, Stewart is struggling to captivate voters. Three months before the June 13 primary, polls show him in single digits, far behind front-runner Ed Gillespie, a former lobbyist and adviser to President George W. Bush, in a field that also includes state Sen. Frank W. Wagner (R-Virginia Beach).

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Stewart, in a telephone interview, expressed no concern about disagreements with allies, saying they are a routine fact of his combative political life. He offered a broad rebuke of those who criticized him at the supervisors' meeting as "the same old liberal whack jobs who have been protesting me for 10 years."

Stewart's credentials as a self-styled voice of Trumpism may seem dubious, since the president's own campaign dismissed him as its Virginia co-chairman in October. Stewart had ignored the campaign's order to refrain from protesting the national Republican Party's treatment of Trump.

"He got fired for not following directions," said John Fredericks, Trump's Virginia co-chairman. "He may own the Trump style but he doesn't own the Trump brand. The Trump people don't like him."

Told about Fredericks's remarks, Stewart said, "I hate that guy," and contended that he was fired "because I was too loyal." He remains devoted to Trump, he said, and is confident that he can ride the anti-establishment spirit the president unleashed to the governor's mansion.

"In-your-face conservatism," Stewart said, describing Trumpian politics. "I'm the anti-establishment candidate who's going to burn the s---house down."

This is the best part!
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During a rally for the statue in mid-February, counter demonstrators shouted Stewart down. He cited the altercation with what he described as "radical left-wing agitators" in subsequent fundraising pleas.

While he was at the rally, Stewart met the leaders of a fledgling right-wing group known as Unity and Security for America, who asked him to return the following week for a news conference. He accepted the invitation.

The group, which has fewer than a dozen members, supports immigration laws "that require that most immigrants come from Western countries," according to its website. Jason Kessler, the leader of the group, tweeted in November that Trump is "the savior of Western Civilization" and that "his acts of bravery have inspired a movement that will outlive us all."

"Corey Stewart showed up when we needed him," said Isaac Smith, a spokesman for the group. "He stood by us."

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Last August, Stewart spoke at the renaming ceremony for the Mills E. Godwin Middle School, a Woodbridge building originally named in honor of a former governor who, as a state lawmaker in the 1950s, led the "massive resistance" movement against school integration. The county's board of education renamed Godwin for an African American philanthropist, George Hampton.

"It's been a long, long, long time in coming, that's for sure," Stewart told the audience at the ceremony. "A lot of things have changed in Prince William County since 1970, and let me tell you something. Those changes have been good."

He described Prince William as "the most progressive, futurist county in the United States."

Recalling the moment, Willie Deutsch, a conservative school board member, said it suggested that Stewart "is more focused on winning over audiences he is speaking to than sticking with a core set of principles."

"At times he may be hard right, at other times he may be more of a pragmatic conservative," Deutsch said. "He reinvents himself to create the version of himself he thinks he needs to be to move to the next level."

Stewart waved off that depiction, saying that his views on immigration and diversity have remained consistent. He said he had opposed removing Godwin's name from the school despite his remarks at the ceremony.

"I wasn't going to rain on the parade," he said.

So yeeeeah. I live in PWC. I don't know if this fucker will show up on my ballot when he's up for re-election for his county seat in 2019 because I don't know if the at-large members are elected by the whole county or by their specific district. He's not in my specific district. But if I see his name anywhere, idgaf who the other person is, I'm voting for them.

Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #1
why is virginia having a governor's election wasn't McAuliffe elected like a year ago?

eta: seig heil for that guy I guess good lord
  • Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 10:44:25 AM by brugroffil

  • meepmeep
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Reply #2
Virginia is weird. You can serve however many times you want as governor, but you can't serve consecutive terms. McAuliffe was last elected in 2013.

Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #3
hahaha that is the dumbest form of term limits I've ever heard of

our entire political structure is such hot garbage

I didn't realize it was that long ago for McAuliffe. What's the dem prospects look like for holding the seat?

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Polling so far suggests that if Gillespie and Northam are the nominees, then it's a close race with maybe Gillespie coming out ahead. Northam has an easier time if one of the others wins the Republican nomination. I haven't seen much in the way of polling for Perriello since I think everyone's assuming Northam will get it.

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Reply #5
Goddamn this guy is such a fucking try-hard:



btw he's from Minnesota. lol.

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Reply #6
Goddamn this guy is such a fucking try-hard:


Owning human beings is not worse than a Yankee telling a Southerner that his monuments don't matter. Noted.

Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #7
Haha, he also posted this hilariousness:






  • nesb
Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #8
First, they tried to put civil war monuments in a museum, and I said nothing....

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Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #9
lol lookit these lib snowflakes





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Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #10
Sounds like Stewart is Foghorn Leghorn's evil twin. :ohmy:

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Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #11
so I gather periello is the better democrat.  he has the support not only of the bernie bros but of pretty much all obama's people (including obama himself, sort of...?).

is there a case for crossover voting in the gop primary for any reason?

also, what should I think of people in the downticket races?

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Reply #12
I already sent in my absentee ballot without any of your help so figure it out yourself. :stuckup:

  • el jefe
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Reply #13
fine, I will vote bart roberts style

  • ksen
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Reply #14
is there a case for crossover voting in the gop primary for any reason?
Haven't you learned your lesson yet?

No, there is no case for a crossover vote . . . ever.

  • el jefe
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Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #15
I'm quite proud of being the only person here to vote against trump twice

  • el jefe
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Reply #16
btw, 4 hours til polls close and meep still hasn't told me who to vote for.  tick tock, tick tock...

  • el jefe
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Reply #17
cue Jeopardy! theme

  • el jefe
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Reply #18
meep, if you leave me unable to vote and that sets off a chain of events leading to trump's reelection, I'm going to be very disappointed in you
  • Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 01:37:01 PM by el jefe

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Reply #19
You probably have different down ballot candidates. I voted for Tom and Justin Fairfax. The other 2 lt governor candidates seemed fine, too, but I didn't spend a lot of time on that. For my state rep, I voted for Elizabeth Guzman. How could I not vote for the Latina immigrant?

  • el jefe
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Reply #20
didn't realize there were only two choices to make.  I was worried I'd have to have an opinion on like 5 races.  I'd already made up my mind for governor. 

for lt. governor, there were three choices.  30 seconds on Wikipedia revealed that one of them used to work for a tobacco company.  so I crossed that one off and chose from the other two based on which name struck me as more recognizable (fairfax, of course).

would have been great to have a more considered opinion of the lt gov race, but meep didn't give me one in time. *smh*

eta: heh, crosspost

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Reply #21
They're calling it for Northam.

And already the "OMG morally bankrupt centrist RepubliCON in sheep's clothing JUST LIKE HILLARY ALL OVER AGAIN" hot takes begin.

Nevermind that their platforms were so similar that I couldn't make up my fucking mind and watching one of their debates made me even more undecided. Honestly, the hound dog was the deciding factor because look at that precious doggo.

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jesus christ, my people are dumb.
  • Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 05:26:06 PM by meepmeep

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Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #22
Do we know that Northam doesn't have a dog?
If he doesn't he should probably get one ASAP.
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Reply #23
fine, I will vote bart roberts style

What does that mean?

anyway I voted for Northam and Fairfax

  • el jefe
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Reply #24
bart used to reply to message board polls by just checking all the boxes

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Reply #25
They're calling it for Northam.

And already the "OMG morally bankrupt centrist RepubliCON in sheep's clothing JUST LIKE HILLARY ALL OVER AGAIN" hot takes begin.

Nevermind that their platforms were so similar that I couldn't make up my fucking mind and watching one of their debates made me even more undecided. Honestly, the hound dog was the deciding factor because look at that precious doggo.

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jesus christ, my people are dumb.
The good news is: it's not just your people.

  • meepmeep
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The VA GOP has gone full fucking looney tunes. If there was ever a chance I would've voted for any of their candidates at any level, that chance is gone. Even if there's an unopposed race, I'm leaving it fucking blank. Fuck these assholes.








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Reply #27
They deleted it:


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Reply #28
Was there ever a chance you'd vote gop?

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Reply #29
Very slim chance, but in an unopposed race, I may have filled in the circle/box to satisfy some minor beep boop OCD-like tendencies, and fuck it, I won't even do that. I think I may have done that in NY, but I honestly can't remember all the fucking city dogcatcher type races.

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lol that's amazing


  • meepmeep
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Requested my absentee ballot a few days ago. :meeps:

Saw this tonight:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/for-both-sides-of-abortion-debate-unusually-high-stakes-in-virginia-governors-race/2017/09/11/d651a198-787d-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html

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Democratic gubernatorial candidate Ralph Northam, the sitting lieutenant governor and a physician, has positioned himself as a champion of abortion rights. Republican rival Ed Gillespie said he'd like to see the procedure banned, with exceptions for rape, incest and to save the mother's life.

The Republican-controlled state legislature has tried for years to restrict abortion, foiled by Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D), who has vetoed bills to defund Planned Parenthood and says the governor's mansion is the "brick wall" against attempts to limit women's reproductive rights.

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Gillespie has tried to play down abortion and instead focus on the economy and public safety. Asked about Gillespie's views on abortion, his spokesman, Dave Abrams, responds that Northam's views "are outside the mainstream" and that the lieutenant governor supports late-term abortions -- which are illegal in Virginia and opposed by most voters.

Northam has said that the timing of abortions should be determined by a woman and her doctor, but he does not want to change the state law that limits late-term abortions.

The number of abortions performed in Virginia declined by one-third between 2009 and 2015, according to state data. The decline coincided with a rollback of abortion rights by the state's past GOP governor, Robert F. McDonnell, whose term ended in 2014.

In 2011, he signed legislation regulating abortion clinics as hospitals -- a move that critics said was meant to drive the clinics out of business. The regulations have since been dropped by the state health board dominated by McAuliffe appointees.

McDonnell in 2012 also signed a bill mandating abdominal ultrasounds before abortion. As originally written, the bill would have required women seeking an abortion early in a pregnancy to undergo a vaginal ultrasound. It made Virginia fodder for late-night comedians.

Northam, then a state lawmaker, raised his profile -- and won the allegiance of abortion rights supporters -- with a speech on the floor of the Senate where he said the ultrasounds would be about as useful as a probe of a bottle of Ga­tor­ade.

The proposed requirement of an invasive ultrasound was ultimately defeated. But it continues to resonate in this year's down-ballot races.

The Republican candidate for lieutenant governor, state Sen. Jill Vogel, was the sponsor of the ultrasound legislation, and she is trying to defend it against attacks by Democratic rival Justin Fairfax.

Please fucking vote. Please. :mason:

  • el jefe
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Re: Virginia Governor's Race
Reply #32
I might be busy that day.  we'll see.

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Got my absentee ballot the other day and will be sending it in soon.

Fuck these pieces of trash.