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  • ksen
The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/9/16447210/doj-religious-liberty-memo-religious-freedom

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The guidelines include ensuring the "government may not target religious individuals or entities through discriminatory enforcement of neutral, generally applicable laws." Those entities include for-profit corporations as well as nonprofits such as churches or synagogues. So for example, according to this guideline, the IRS is required to avoid enforcing the Johnson Amendment, which prohibits churches and other 501(c)(3) nonprofits from endorsing particular candidates, in circumstances where the amendment would not be enforced against secular nonprofits.

How can a for-profit corporation, a government licensed fiction, have religious beliefs? Do they take a poll of the religious beliefs of the shareholders and majority view wins?

  • borealis
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Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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So... what's it like living on the leading edge of rapidly advancing dystopia?

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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Has anyone here read Jack London's "Iron Heel"?

I'm reading it now. Didn't know it existed though I've read a number of his other books. This is entirely different and eerily similar to current events. Never knew London was such a socialist.
Are we there yet?

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https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/9/16447210/doj-religious-liberty-memo-religious-freedom

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The guidelines include ensuring the "government may not target religious individuals or entities through discriminatory enforcement of neutral, generally applicable laws." Those entities include for-profit corporations as well as nonprofits such as churches or synagogues. So for example, according to this guideline, the IRS is required to avoid enforcing the Johnson Amendment, which prohibits churches and other 501(c)(3) nonprofits from endorsing particular candidates, in circumstances where the amendment would not be enforced against secular nonprofits.

How can a for-profit corporation, a government licensed fiction, have religious beliefs? Do they take a poll of the religious beliefs of the shareholders and majority view wins?

Believes gonna believe?

Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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So... what's it like living on the leading edge of rapidly advancing dystopia?
Like it's always been: just like this.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/9/16447210/doj-religious-liberty-memo-religious-freedom

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The guidelines include ensuring the "government may not target religious individuals or entities through discriminatory enforcement of neutral, generally applicable laws." Those entities include for-profit corporations as well as nonprofits such as churches or synagogues. So for example, according to this guideline, the IRS is required to avoid enforcing the Johnson Amendment, which prohibits churches and other 501(c)(3) nonprofits from endorsing particular candidates, in circumstances where the amendment would not be enforced against secular nonprofits.

How can a for-profit corporation, a government licensed fiction, have religious beliefs? Do they take a poll of the religious beliefs of the shareholders and majority view wins?
corporations are people too.  Citizens United v. FEC, 558 U.S. 310 (2010)

Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/9/16447210/doj-religious-liberty-memo-religious-freedom

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The guidelines include ensuring the "government may not target religious individuals or entities through discriminatory enforcement of neutral, generally applicable laws." Those entities include for-profit corporations as well as nonprofits such as churches or synagogues. So for example, according to this guideline, the IRS is required to avoid enforcing the Johnson Amendment, which prohibits churches and other 501(c)(3) nonprofits from endorsing particular candidates, in circumstances where the amendment would not be enforced against secular nonprofits.

How can a for-profit corporation, a government licensed fiction, have religious beliefs? Do they take a poll of the religious beliefs of the shareholders and majority view wins?

many corporations are not publicly traded.

  • ksen
Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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many corporations are not publicly traded.

I didn't mention publicly traded.

Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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you said shareholders. In some/many cases there is only one shareholder.

  • ksen
Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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you said shareholders. In some/many cases there is only one shareholder.
Ok, and?

Shareholders are not the corporation. They're simply what their name says they are: an owner of shares in a business entity. If shareholders want the right to force their religious preferences upon a corporation then there should be no corporate veil protections for those shareholders since they have in essence pierced that veil voluntarily.

Maybe there should be a religious affiliation space on state business licenses.

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I assume the argument is that corporations that assume a clear religious identity (e.g. Hobby Lobby or Chik-fil-a) is what's being talked about here.

Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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not saying this should be remotely legal, because it's ridiculous, but that's what they're talking about.

  • ksen
Re: The DOJ’s new “religious liberty” memo pushes religious freedom to its limits
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Yeah, probably. I went and checked Hobby Lobby's corporate mission statement and it's definitely there.