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Wouldn't it be blatant bribery rather than extortion?
Isn't all politics?

Well, at least as practiced in the US and perhaps some other countries.

Any system can be gamed and/or corrupted.

But it's more difficult with Canada's system for politicians to be bought by corporations. Backroom deals, sleazy math, and influence peddling? Hell yeah.
Wouldn't it be blatant bribery rather than extortion?
I think everyone agrees on that.  and not just as generic knee-jerk cynicism, but as a serious, considered thought.
I'm not sure that your population, large as it is, hasn't hit a tipping point where individualism and exceptionalism has allowed learned sociopathy to infect a terrifying percentage of the electorate.
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Malicious old despot.
RAFH, that sounds completely airy-fairy nonsense.

Some doctors/people might be better at getting patients to relax, which all by itself might reduce some kinds of pain. I seriously doubt anyone has some innate ability to heal.
I was and am highly skeptical, but my husband's doctor referred him to one for severe pain related to a compressed disc in his neck affecting nerves going to his arm. He was in stupid amounts of pain at the time. Insurance allowed for six treatments, he took them all and it had a significant effect on the pain and ability to move his arm freely. It wasn't permanent, though, and he now takes several medications, including one that specifically targets the nerves. They work better than the chiro guy's efforts.
TR Embassy and Animal Shelter / Re: birds ?!
Cyberbullying in the avian world. :sadyes:

Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Don't underestimate how fucking cheap and petty rich people can be.
Having sold, and including commissions, a fair amount of original art to rich people (because ordinary people don't buy art over $1000 too often), this is glaringly true. They almost always want a reduction in price, or something extra included in the price. And this is for something essentially frivolous that they just want, they don't need it.

My sister (the potter) finds that too.  She can't believe how people will come into the shop, having parked their BMW or whatever, next to her dilapidated Berlingo, then ask for a discount on half a dozen mugs.

Would they offer to do six days work for the price of five?
And after failing to get a positive response on the 5 for 6, then it goes to nitpicking at the works, finding tiny imperfections or flaws they think will induce you to reduce the price of a handmade object. I once had someone complain that some of the glass in a piece was too bubbly and therefore should be discounted. After picking up my jaw, I explained that the glass was all mouthblown European glass and in this case was deliberately made to include the desirable sparkly little bubbles, even if it wasn't to their taste. In the end they bought the piece because of course they wanted it; they just didn't want to pay a fair price for it. If I hadn't needed the money I'd have refused to sell it to them at that point, entitled bastards.
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
hey, they didn't get rich by settling :smug:

I used to know this relatively popular painter who sold at pretty high prices for a local guy. Used to piss me off, because unlike his patrons, I knew the sleazy bastard used substandard cheap media and substrates that had severely limited longevity - buyers would be lucky if his shit lasted, in ideal conditions, ten years or less before cracking, peeling, discolouring, fading, or outright falling off the cheap rotting cloth he painted them on. But more recently I've begun to grudgingly respect his attitude.
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Don't underestimate how fucking cheap and petty rich people can be.
Having sold, and including commissions, a fair amount of original art to rich people (because ordinary people don't buy art over $1000 too often), this is glaringly true. They almost always want a reduction in price, or something extra included in the price. And this is for something essentially frivolous that they just want, they don't need it.
Science / Re: early tetrapods got weird
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Travel ban the world, withdraw from all international treaties, erect walls, build Gilead.
Introductions / Re: Hiyas
^That's our standard welcome smilie, btw. :)

We hope you enjoy TR!
You could always go join another forum.


Since you refuse to respond to PMs, I'm addressing you here. You do not have permission to post threads in the Science forum, for reasons stated in previous PMs to you. If you haven't read them, that's your problem.

Next time, expect a 24 hour ban.
TR Embassy and Animal Shelter / Re: The Dog Thread
The problem isn't the rural poor, it's the rich motherfuckers spreading propaganda, and setting poor against poor. The rich motherfuckers are scared, so they're stepping up their game, and doing so very effectively. Not that they haven't been doing it forever.
Propaganda for a century or more, and getting more sophisticated all the time. Where do these people get the false narratives regarding the 'easy money, free this and that, coddling' that they think minorities and immigrants receive? That evil fakery comes from somewhere.

It's easy to say 'Fox news, Breitbart, talk radio', but what causes them to buy into that bullshit?

In Canada it's at its worst when it's anything to do with First Nations people. Any suggestion they might be getting a helping hand from government and the racists are out of their closets and on the rant. White people often have absurd beliefs about why conditions on many reserves are terrible, and the slightest hint of scandal - chiefs/councils misdirecting money - and 'It's their own fault they have no water/housing/substance abuse problems'.

They never turn that accusing eye on their own communities, despite there probably not being a town or village anywhere that hasn't had similar bullshit happen to lesser or greater degree, and without the added difficulty of racism and generations of poverty and institutional abuse.

Sickens me.
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Quilters. :(

Over the past few months, members of the group discussed President Donald Trump, organised quilts for charity projects and supported members through difficult personal circumstances. But as time went by, the leaked screenshots show that discussions took a different turn.
Members organised a drive to send complaints to an exhibition which had put out a call for quilts protesting against the Trump presidency. They contacted the sponsors of one liberal quilter to suggest that she should be dropped because of her opposition to Trump.
They sent homophobic messages to gay artists and contacted quilting trade shows, asking organisers to cancel classes run by quilters they thought were too liberal.
And they suggested boycotting certain quilters, or reporting them to the IRS - the American tax authorities - so that they would be tied up in tax investigations. Targets were chosen because of their support for things like Planned Parenthood and and women's rights, among other liberal causes.
Members of "Conservative with a Common Interest" sometimes publicly remained friends with the people they were discussing.

[considerably more detail in article]
The central US in particular does seem to have some extremely isolated communities. You get closer to any coast and there's more contact with 'people not like you' because ports, trade, etc.

I grew up in a tiny mildly inbred rural community, but it was close to the coast, and a port, and so I was bussed an hour away to a school that had a healthy distribution of the descendants of people who came from many different countries, ethnicities, skin colours and religions. Not all sweetness and light, of course, but the main divide was religion, Protestant and Catholic mostly.

I remember being shocked that my mother was extremely uncomfortable with me dating a Jewish guy from town; I hadn't thought she was prejudiced that way. Years later she explained that his father had gotten her favourite cousin pregnant in the 1940s and had refused to 'do the right thing', leaving the cousin to go through a difficult time indeed. So she basically didn't trust the boyfriend because his dad was a louse, not because he was Jewish. :hehe:
So you're saying there's more racism and xenophobia in white rural American enclaves where they rarely even encounter anyone who isn't exactly like themselves? Astonishing!
Rumours are floating that Rosenstein must recuse himself.
FX, no one enjoys it when you talk like a disingenuous twit, and anyone can read the articles for themselves and ignore your stupid cherry-picking.

Why do you do that? What jollies do you get from pretending your shitty 'argument' has meaning?
Politics and Current Events / Re: corbyn won
From The Atlantic of all places.

potentially interesting note:

Last week, after yet another week of anti-establishment upheavals in Europe, former Bush speechwriter and current Atlantic senior editor David Frum tweeted in despair:

"I think we need a word to describe people broadly satisfied with the status quo & skeptical of radical changes based on wild promises."
Before reading the article, just the quote: I'll take 'Canadian' for 500 Alex?
You are pretty thick and dense if you can't understand the sense of the CBC article.
That, and Jesus/God praying to himself, constantly referring to himself, asking himself for help, etc.  It almost reads as if God parasitized poor baby Jesus and went along for the ride right up to that ninth hour when Jesus cried out "Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani?"