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No, it is not "obvious" when you look at things like Coelurus and Ornitholestes, two basal members of each group. Which is what you need to be comparing.
Coeluris:


Ornitholestes:
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
On a related note:
Eddie Huang on Why Immigrants Need to Charge Customers 'Full Fucking Price'
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"Being a natural-born American, I refuse to see myself as a guest or an alien, no matter how many people tell me to go back to China," the Huang's World host told the audience. He connected his Chinese father's plight as a steakhouse owner in 1990s Orlando, offering steep discounts because "immigrants can't sell anything full price in America," to Huang's own experience today as the accomplished 34-year-old Taiwanese American chef in New York and LA selling Taiwanese gua bao for "full fucking price."
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comey
So articles of impeachment:

Witness tampering
Obstruction of justice (probably several)
Public corruption

What else?
Possibly treason, depending on what the Russia investigations turn up.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Comey
I don't suppose I'm telling anyone anything they didn't already know when I point out that Trump has repeatedly pulled exactly the same stunt to try to intimidate reporters out of reporting unflattering things about him.

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/06/biographer-trump-admitted-trying
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There is an interesting pattern. The support values are high when the immediate branches are dinosaurs.
One of which includes all birds.

I think we're done here.
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Does the lone crackpot, hobby-horsing in the woods on his own, have anything more substantive to say about the efforts of an internationally coordinated organization devoted to sustainability (you know, the ostensible focus of this vanity thread) than "lol" ?

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If anyone wants to make an issue of the support values (bootstrap/jackknife) of the earlier nodes please help us all by presenting a detailed analysis including references. Please include details of how those values are calculated and why they drop off the cliff at Euparaves. Also please talk about the exceptionally low value (65) for the node that is claimed to link tyrannosauroids and Euparaves.
Also include info about how synapomorphies are not included in the calculation of support values.
That would be you, "Socrates".
Apparently you want to make an issue of the support values (bootstrap/jackknife) of the earlier nodes.
So please help us all by presenting a detailed analysis including references. Please include details of how those values are calculated and why they drop off the cliff at Euparaves. Also please talk about the exceptionally low value (65) for the node that is claimed to link tyrannosauroids and Euparaves.
Also include info about how synapomorphies are not included in the calculation of support values.

We'll be waiting.

:icare:
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
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And after failing to get a positive response on the 5 for 6, then it goes to nitpicking at the works, finding tiny imperfections or flaws they think will induce you to reduce the price of a handmade object. I once had someone complain that some of the glass in a piece was too bubbly and therefore should be discounted. After picking up my jaw, I explained that the glass was all mouthblown European glass and in this case was deliberately made to include the desirable sparkly little bubbles, even if it wasn't to their taste. In the end they bought the piece because of course they wanted it; they just didn't want to pay a fair price for it. If I hadn't needed the money I'd have refused to sell it to them at that point, entitled bastards.
I have a SIL like that.
I apologize to the universe on her behalf.
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You have a bad habit of distracting from the main topic.

The main topic is NOT ... how to make iPhones.

The main topic is ... "how to feed (and house) the world sustainably" ... starting in my own county.
Whatever progress the world is ever going to make towards sustainability, it sure as hell isn't going to start with your hobby-horsing.

Here's a website sharing the thoughts on the subject of global sustainability from people who have given it a lot more thought than you are capable of:

17 goals to transform our world.
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I manufactured something far more sophisticated than an iPhone here on my property ... with no inputs except labor ... and I didn't need a city to do it ...

What am I talking about?

Baby goats!!


::)  Look up the definition of the word "manufacture".
Oh, never mind.
Definitions of words are for people trying to communicate with other humans.
Raging narcissists whose goal is the onanistic stroking of messianic fantasies (shattering paradigms! ::) ) can assign any meaning to any word they want.

In some alternative universe where one or more disciples signed up for your project, communication would become a problem.
Till then, I guess davinitions rule!
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... sustaining people NOW.

 ... food production in "Davetopia"
See the problem?
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Back to Bremer.

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http://www.ib.usp.br/hennig/siddall_2001.pdf

It has become common in phylogenetic papers to report some sort of nodal value regarding the relative strength or 'support' for a particular portion of a cladogram. The most common among these has been the bootstrap, though of late Bremer's direct measure has proven more popular and of unambiguous interpretation.

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http://ib.berkeley.edu/courses/ib200a/labs/ib200a_lab10_bootstrap_jackknife_bremer.pdf

As a rule of thumb, a Bremer score of 3 is good and a score of 5 is "highly supported."
http://www.ivpp.cas.cn/qt/papers/201403/P020140314389417822583.pdf

This is from Xu et al, page 16, with all nodes with a Bremer value < 3 collapsed.  The 12 (over twice the threshold regarded as "highly supported") on the left is of course uniting everything in the clade as a coelurosaur.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cue that familiar chestnut near and dear to the heart of every alternative reality enthusiast of every stripe:
"If we don't know everything, we don't know anything. Therefore my crackpot idea is as good as the scientific consensus."



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OK.
So how do you propose to implement this massive land redistribution scheme?

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Nobody denies that this means that the studies actually cannot say how the bird-like characteristics assembled.
But nobody (sane) denies they can quite definitively rule out some hypotheses.
For instance, that birds are not, in fact, dinosaurs.
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No, let's not. Let's have you answer the question. You want to have a Universal Land Allocation rather than a basic income. How does that work in Brooklyn?
This is where Pol Pot comes in.
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You guys are a laugh.
But certainly not worth arguing about.
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But... "Socrates"!
Blandly repeating lies ignoring the fact they have been refuted is pretty much your only mode of arguing.
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When the patient is ready, the psychiatrist will appear.

(Hopefully with a prescription pad.)
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The all/some/none agnosia seems to be common to pseudoscience enthusiasts.
The fact that this or that phylogenetic branch point is less strongly supported than another does not mean that it is "not supported". 

In the cases we're talking about, they are supported more strongly than any other, so if you were a betting person, you would be wise to put your money on that hypothesis, as opposed to alternatives.

You would certainly be unwise to put your money on a hare-brained alternative fantasized by some clown with no education, background, experience, credentials or credibility in the field.
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People have come around to acknowledging the polytomy
Nobody ever disputed that there is a polytomy*, you dishonest fuck.

* as defined by a node with Bremer score < 3
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That depends entirely on what "bird-like characteristics" you're talking about, and what level of precision you're trying to claim.

But we can't expect "Socrates" to ever be explicit about, well, pretty much anything.
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Yes?
And... ?

:dunno:
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You guys have made some progress.
I am impressed since I know it is not easy for you to acknowledge anything that might cast doubt on the dinosaur to bird theory.
I hope you keep up the good work.
One might hope you would make progress toward being less of a condescending shit, but that's not going to happen either.
Nothing about your "huge polytomy"  ( ::) ) casts any doubt on the "dinosaur to bird theory".