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Pingu: Dave, do you agree that 1) and 2) are correct?
Dave: Yes, of course.
Pingu: And is 3) correct?
Dave: Naturally.
Pingu: Now, if 1), 2) and 3) are correct, doesn't it follow that 4) is also correct?
Dave: Goes without saying. Go on.
Pingu: OK. So, is 5) not correct?
Dave: Yes, yes yes. Get on with it already.
Pingu: But if 5) AND 4) are correct, doesn't that directly contradict your points?
Dave: ...You know what? You've lost me. I'll work this out myself. Kthxbi

:rofl:
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Looks like we will have to leave it at that. It is possible that basal pennaraptora may be like pararves if you do not assume that the ancestor was a dinosaur.
Yeah, it's a well-known fact that different assumptions can actually change objective morphology and reality. For more info read here.
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It is not like concluding that pennaraptora was like oviraptorosaurs is parsimonious. Far from it. It requires tens of millions of years of "ghost lineages". And the belief in an absurd number of "exaptations".
"Ghost lineages", you say!

Let's see what YOUR OWN SOURCE has to say about that:
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Earlier studies demonstrate that the temporal paradox is not a real problem for the BMT hypothesis, which is in fact more consistent with the stratigraphic record than any other alternative phylogenetic hypothesis regarding the origin of birds (64). Nonetheless, recent investigations in the Jurassic have resulted in the discoveries of well-preserved fossils of several derived theropod groups, including Tyrannosauroidea (65), Alvarezsauroidea (23), Troodontidae (45), and possibly Therizinosauroidea (66) and Oviraptorosauria (38, 41). These discoveries improve the stratigraphic fit of the theropod fossil record to the BMT hypothesis (23) and have effectively resolved the so-called temporal paradox problem by showing that many coelurosaurian groups occur earlier than Archaeopteryx in the fossil record (Fig. 2).
Published Material 1, Uneducated, loutish B&B owner- 0.
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Here is another point in the article:
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One thing that argues against the volant ancestry of these groups is the
propubic pubis. A retroverted pubis would be better for flying ecause it
makes a airfoil ( convex dorsally and concave ventrally )  shape of the
body. A propubic pubis would create a reverse-airfoil, which would not
be advantageous for flying because it would not create lift and the
"bird" would divebomb to the ground! Paul ( 1988 ) argued that the
propubic pubis was a reversal, which it may well be, but there is no
reason why that these groups should evolve a propubic pubis.
It seems to me that a ground-based, secondarily flightless creature would want a pubis that would keep it from rising up into the air. So I do not understand the point the author is making.
Can anyone help with this?
Perhaps someone will come along.
I just realized the absurd interpretation Faid is making of what I posted.
I should have said It seems to me that a ground-based, secondarily flightless creature would want a pubis that would keep it from rising up into the air when it was running.
I assumed everyone understood that.
I forgot about Faid. No doubt we will now be treated to a litany of absurd excuses and rationalizations from folks here.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Did Folks Here really think I meant that ground-based creatures would be at risk of 'rising up into the air' while standing around? That's absurd! What I really meant, of course, is that ground-based creatures would be at risk of 'rising up into the air' while running! That is of course how it works! Don't Folks Here watch any cartoons?"

Nice save, "Dr".  :thumbsup:
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 3
Last post by nostrum -
OK I just reread first several pages of yesterday. TW first called the insane cop possibility which is fine.  Rach declares she's never heard of insane cop which is weird given how many games she's played elsewhere.  Bor raised miller possibility which fits her narrative that she isn't sold that MZ is scum. (I wasn't either, which is why I town read her, plus she was not keen to FV.)

I was also in the forefront also of the theories about how town TW got a guilty read on a town MZ.

There was a consensus yesterday to lynch ksen next so I'm happy to keep my vote where it is. Could go with a rach vote depending on others' reads.
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Here is another point in the article:
Quote
One thing that argues against the volant ancestry of these groups is the
propubic pubis. A retroverted pubis would be better for flying ecause it
makes a airfoil ( convex dorsally and concave ventrally )  shape of the
body. A propubic pubis would create a reverse-airfoil, which would not
be advantageous for flying because it would not create lift and the
"bird" would divebomb to the ground! Paul ( 1988 ) argued that the
propubic pubis was a reversal, which it may well be, but there is no
reason why that these groups should evolve a propubic pubis.
It seems to me that a ground-based, secondarily flightless creature would want a pubis that would keep it from rising up into the air. So I do not understand the point the author is making.
Can anyone help with this?
Perhaps someone will come along.
The bottom line is that the oviraptorosaur pubis is not contradictory to the idea that oviraptorosaurs were secondarily flightless.
No, you misunderstand. That is not the bottom line. The bottom line is that, except for the deficiencies in your intellect, and character, you have not convinced anybody of anything anywhere.

It is also the top line.
In between is you farting in the wind.
And people here commenting on the noises.
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Science / Re: Direct Down Wind Faster Than The Wind
Last post by spork -
We'll, I think blackbird put the doubts to rest.

To be fair I think it only settled the issue for sane people.
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Science / Re: Direct Down Wind Faster Than The Wind
Last post by spork -
https://www.wired.com/story/starting-to-study-physics-watch-out-for-these-common-mistakes/

>> "STARTING TO STUDY PHYSICS? WATCH OUT FOR THESE COMMON MISTAKES"

Perhaps the biggest mistake you could make when studying physics is to trust Rhett Allain
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 3
Last post by Testy Calibrate -
Dam autocorrect.  *def
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 3
Last post by Testy Calibrate -
rach asking q then not responding to my challenge seems off. She's made one comprehension mistake and that's it...prev when town she makes a heap and when called on them gets into OMGUS. Not this game.

she'll be first in with 'but nos always scum reads me'

others' reads appreciated
I am reading ksen, teeth and Rach as scummy. I thought borealis for a while but she was Dec pro town yesterday.