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No, it has been dickhead. One option is that Oviraptorosauria were not secondarily flightless, but were never flying. Their pennaceous feathers weren't for flight, but display. Which is certainly the case in the ones we have- there is no way they could have supported the animal in the air, and they aren't asymmetric. Nor are the ones in Ornithomimosauria. Again, there's no way any of them could fly either.

So pennaceous feathers evolved for a combination of reasons- initially insulation, and then display, before being co-opted for flight in animals that were small enough to benefit from them when jumping around in trees. If you notice the scansoriorypterygids don't have them. So the answer to the question is "they didn't. they appeared within Paraves". Because flight feathers aren't necessarily the same as pennaceous feathers. You, however, being an idiot, don't realise this.

And of course they're not present in pterosaurs either. Nor are pennaceous feathers. So where the fuck do they come from in your idiot idea?
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Just so you know ... my idea of "heads rolling" for the purposes of this thread was "people going to jail"
Yeah. Going to jail for the fucking "Obama wire tapp scandal", which was entirely invented by Trump, the habitual liar.

Flynn, Yates, Obama, Clapper etc. were all going to prison you said at one time or another. Heads rolling? Comey's firing you also characterized this way. FFS do you even remember your ravings of the past?

Get a clue, you've been lied to and are still trying to defend an ethically bankrupt and morally bereft president, even in the throes of endless scandal and no ability to legislate, all amidst the rats quickly abandoning ship and people of conscience turning away from him.
You entirely misunderstand the situation. Primarily due to the "FAKE News" because anything that says anything that makes our Fearless Leader look bad is obviously "FAKE" news. It has to be. Because .... Reasons.

Reasons like "FAKE News". Even when the subject of that NEWS admits it officially. is even your hero a shill for Hillary?

Think about it, Bluffy. If you can.

I personally doubt you can. Or will. You'll support a NAZI no matter what.
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From the lout Dave Godfrey
"Where did flight feathers come from before Pennaraptora"?

Good question. Can anyone answer it?


For reference:
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/06/10/birds-come-first-no-they-dont/
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The fact that long remiges have now been documented in oviraptorosaurs, dromaeosaurids and other maniraptorans shows that feathered arms essentially the same as those present in basal birds evolved somewhere round about the base of the oviraptorosaur + paravian clade, and there is no evidence that wing-like arms were present in more basal coelurosaurs, nor in other theropods, or other dinosaurs, or other archosaurs.

In fact this is a big problem for the dino to bird theory that nobody has ever answered. Nobody here and nobody in the published material.
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feathered arms essentially the same as those present in basal birds evolved somewhere round about the base of the oviraptorosaur + paravian clade, and there is no evidence that wing-like arms were present in more basal coelurosaurs, nor in other theropods, or other dinosaurs, or other archosaurs.
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You still need exaptations you fuckwit.

Try again.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Last post by ravenscape -
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/08/17/flight-103-presidency/

I'm still a little surprised to occasionally read redstate.com and nod my head in agreement.
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http://theantimedia.org/black-farmer-response-charlottesville-exposes-larger-problem/
OK, Bluffy, you quote a supposedly black resident of Charlotte;sville stating the problem is not NAZI;s coming to town, but the town and its environs that is the real problem. The anonymous author of this tract admits the NAZIs and their KKK, white Nationalist/Supremecist kin are a serious problem, but he's more worried about local folks who are racist but really have little to no power. Yeah,, I believe that with all my heart.

You are supposedly claiming his (anonymously) claiming his own personal, local issues regarding racism override the national issues at hand, like the President of the Country and the Party that out him in office are racist and are actively pursuing that agenda are not the reality of the situation. Really, Bluffy, this is the wrong side to adhere to . Really.

If anyone ever thought you were not a complete nutter, this is  the clincher. You either support NAZI or you reject it. Period. It's one of those situations that are bi. Either For or Against. You choose. There is no middle ground. Either you are for murdering millions of people simply because you can and and that means you can confiscate their property or avoid repaying loans. Worth Billions.  

Do you support the State having the power to simply arrest and detain and ultimately confiscate the property of those people and then execute them. It's a clear statement. Not a hypothetical. It happened. Millions were rounded up and put to death. For no other reason than they were targeted. And perhaps would resist, and most probably, had money the State wanted.  Yes or No.  

It is a "YES" or it is a "NO" question. Either you support Trump or you don't. Period. Make a choice. He has,, sorta.   Why can't you?  Are you chicken to come out as a NAZI?

State your case. d

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http://theantimedia.org/black-farmer-response-charlottesville-exposes-larger-problem/
And? Does any of that absolve violent white nationalists of their behaviour, or absolve Trump of his idiotic equivocation of "many sides" and "fine people"?
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Very few alt-right but I haven't seen a count.
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/19/some-best-signs-from-today-boston-common-rallies/c2ER3jyLOUGdCX7rxbreuI/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook

I particularly like the first.

Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of counterprotesters.

Probably few of you know the big bronze bas-relief is of Robert Gould Shaw and the all-black Massachusetts 54th Regiment Memorial.

https://www.nps.gov/boaf/learn/historyculture/shaw.htm