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Best possible scenario of dave-fantasy extrapolated up vs worst possible scenario bogused-up with blatant inaccuracies and extrapolated down.

wow. Color me impressed.
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So if Walter Haugen  uses outside compost or any other external inputs, then his yield is probably something like 1.5 million cal per acre  (not 2 million) when the land area to produce these materials is accounted for.  As for labor, it's quite high. Walter says it's about 1 hour per 1000 food calories.  So 1.5 million food calories represents about 1500 hrs of labor.

A dairy cow on pasture like Joel Salatin's  would yield about the same 1.5 million food calories but with far less labor.  An hour a day 365 days a year  managing and milking the cow would be 365 hours vs. 1500 for the veggies.

Wow

You'd also need "external inputs" for your cow, Dave.  If you export nutrients off, you need to import them back on.  Doesn't matter whether you are exporting milk or peas.

And no, it is not "far less labour" to keep a dairy cow than to grow peas.
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Oh and I didn't even account for the "stacked" animals that are added to the dairy cow operation such as sheep and rabbits and chickens.
All this number wanking is splendid for your fantasies, Dave. But how about you try to back any of this up with actual data from your actual operation ie. SOM levels which should be increasing bigly, or your biodiversity, ditto. Or how about your milk analysis, to actually know how many calories you are actually producing?

Your number wanking on an on like this just proves that you care far more about your delusions of grandeur than actually knowing or evaluating anything empirically.
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So if Walter Haugen  uses outside compost or any other external inputs, then his yield is probably something like 1.5 million cal per acre  (not 2 million) when the land area to produce these materials is accounted for.  As for labor, it's quite high. Walter says it's about 1 hour per 1000 food calories.  So 1.5 million food calories represents about 1500 hrs of labor.

A dairy cow on pasture like Joel Salatin's  would yield about the same 1.5 million food calories but with far less labor.  An hour a day 365 days a year  managing and milking the cow would be 365 hours vs. 1500 for the veggies.

Wow

Lot of speculation there. 

By the way, where did you get your figures for Haugen? I ask because it seems like a lot of time spent. That 1500 hours is about 30 hours a week. Also, where do you get the 2500 calories per gallon for Salatin's cows? And the output for his cows?
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 Oh and I didn't even account for the "stacked" animals that are added to the dairy cow operation such as sheep and rabbits and chickens.
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And I actually think that 3 gallons per day might be a more realistic yield from a dairy cow managed on this type of pasture, and if so that's over 2 million food calories for that same 365 hours.   The dairy cow also produces a cash income via selling the calf every year and this can be fairly significant depending on the breeding program.
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So if Walter Haugen  uses outside compost or any other external inputs, then his yield is probably something like 1.5 million cal per acre  (not 2 million) when the land area to produce these materials is accounted for.  As for labor, it's quite high. Walter says it's about 1 hour per 1000 food calories.  So 1.5 million food calories represents about 1500 hrs of labor.

A dairy cow on pasture like Joel Salatin's  would yield about the same 1.5 million food calories but with far less labor.  An hour a day 365 days a year  managing and milking the cow would be 365 hours vs. 1500 for the veggies.

Wow
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Computers and Technology / Cockroach Not Included
Last post by Autonemesis -
Backyard Brains RoboRoach
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