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Dismissing economic anxiety as a general rule is pretty elitist, regardless of hannity's behavior. The result may have been bad in this last election but the issue doesn't go away by itself. Just saying.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Facebook
Last post by meepmeep -
Silicon Valley is going to destroy the whole fucking planet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/world/asia/facebook-sri-lanka-riots.html

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We came to this house to try to understand the forces of social disruption that have followed Facebook's rapid expansion in the developing world, whose markets represent the company's financial future. For months, we had been tracking riots and lynchings around the world linked to misinformation and hate speech on Facebook, which pushes whatever content keeps users on the site longest -- a potentially damaging practice in countries with weak institutions.

Time and again, communal hatreds overrun the newsfeed -- the primary portal for news and information for many users -- unchecked as local media are displaced by Facebook and governments find themselves with little leverage over the company. Some users, energized by hate speech and misinformation, plot real-world attacks.

A reconstruction of Sri Lanka's descent into violence, based on interviews with officials, victims and ordinary users caught up in online anger, found that Facebook's newsfeed played a central role in nearly every step from rumor to killing. Facebook officials, they say, ignored repeated warnings of the potential for violence, resisting pressure to hire moderators or establish emergency points of contact.

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It began with a customer yelling in Sinhalese about something he had found in his dinner. Unable to understand Sinhalese, Farsith, the 28-year-old brother running the register, ignored him.

He did not know that the day before, a viral Facebook rumor claimed, falsely, that the police had seized 23,000 sterilization pills from a Muslim pharmacist in Ampara.

The irate customer drew a crowd, which gathered around Farsith, shouting: "You put in sterilization medicine, didn't you?"

He grasped only that they were asking about a lump of flour in the customer's meal, and worried that saying the wrong thing might turn the crowd violent.

"I don't know," Farsith said in broken Sinhalese. "Yes, we put?"

The mob, hearing confirmation, beat him, destroyed the shop and set fire to the local mosque.

In an earlier time, this might have ended in Ampara. But Farsith's "admission" had been recorded on a cellphone. Within hours, a popular Facebook group, the Buddhist Information Center, pushed out the shaky, 18-second video, presenting it as proof of long-rumored Muslim plots. Then it spread.

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And where people do not feel they can rely on the police or courts to keep them safe, research shows, panic over a perceived threat can lead some to take matters into their own hands -- to lynch.

Last year, in rural Indonesia, rumors spread on Facebook and WhatsApp, a Facebook-owned messaging tool, that gangs were kidnapping local children and selling their organs. Some messages included photos of dismembered bodies or fake police fliers. Almost immediately, locals in nine villages lynched outsiders they suspected of coming for their children.

Near-identical social media rumors have also led to attacks in India and Mexico. Lynchings are increasingly filmed and posted back to Facebook, where they go viral as grisly tutorials.
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From Wikipedia:

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It is observed in late April in many states to recall the surrender of the last major Confederate field army at Bennett Place on April 26, 1865.

So start calling it Confederate Surrender Day, or V-S day?

Apparently this is the origin of Memorial Day itself.
yep.

also, America's blind, flag - worshipping, excessive patriotism generally dates to the civil war.  specifically, the activism of a huge civil war veterans group called the grand army of the republic played a role in all that.
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"Socrates" keeps alluding to adjustments in estimates of mutation rates without giving the source of those adjustments. No reference, no link.
The mutation rate applicable to the question of prehistoric migrations is still very much an open question.

The mined quote that "Socrates" keeps repeating without attribution:

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We arrive at a rate of 1.57×10−8 substitutions per site per year for the coding region and 2.67×10−8 substitutions per site per year for the whole molecule, which is approximately 1.6-fold higher than the fossil calibrated rate[7].
... is from Fu et al. A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes

Here's the quote in a little more context:
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Using ancient mtDNA sequences from securely dated archaeological samples as calibration points has allowed us to obtain an estimate of the mtDNA substitution rate that is more reliable than the existing estimates based on calibration from the fossil and archaeological records. We arrive at a rate of 1.57×10−8 substitutions per site per year for the coding region and 2.67×10−8 substitutions per site per year for the whole molecule, which is approximately 1.6-fold higher than the fossil calibrated rate[7].
Note that what the authors consider the "more reliable" rate is the higher rate, meaning that for a given amount of DNA change, less time has passed. The exact opposite of what "Socrates" is trying to claim.

Also from that same paper:
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Conclusion
Though single loci like mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) can only provide biased estimates of population split times, they can provide valid upper bounds; our results exclude most of the older dates for African and non-African split times recently suggested by de novo mutation rate estimates in the nuclear genome.

So the question is:
Does "Socrates" realize he is misrepresenting his unattributed source?
Or is "Socrates" c&p-ing stuff he thinks somehow supports his foray against credible science, without realizing it says exactly the opposite?

iow... is "Socrates" that dishonest or that stupid?
(Though my money is on "both" )
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oh shit they just restarted this show? yessssss
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economic anxiety, guys
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do you think that finally GOP voters will realize they're being played




ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha no of course not
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Wiki says I'm wrong.  Originally called decoration day.
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I thought memorial day was originally armistice day regarding ww1
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From Wikipedia:

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It is observed in late April in many states to recall the surrender of the last major Confederate field army at Bennett Place on April 26, 1865.

So start calling it Confederate Surrender Day, or V-S day?

Apparently this is the origin of Memorial Day itself.