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  • SkepticTank
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Making the war in Afghanistan Great Again.
  • Last Edit: April 13, 2017, 10:31:05 AM by SkepticTank

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Reply #1
The cheering going on at Breitbart right now is really disgusting.

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Reply #2
one thing neocons and alt-right can agree on is the muslims have got to go

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Watching CNN, and most of the talking heads seem to be generally supportive of its use in this particular case (cave system in a remote region with minimal collateral damage)

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huh, I thought we'd used it before, but wikipedia ' s operational history for it says this is believed to be the first time

anyway, this seems very trumpian in several ways.  grandiose.  the biggest and best boom boom.  also, he may have felt a bit impotent after 59 cruise missiles didn't do a ton of damage to that syrian airbase (so little, the syrians were using it again a few hours later), so he told his people he wanted more firepower this time.  lastly, this seems to be retributive, for the death of a special forces guy last week. and retribution is trump's middle name.  eta: yes, it's what the j stands for.

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Reply #5
anyway, this seems very trumpian in several ways.  ...
including the color of the damn thing!

"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Reply #6
It looks like a cartoon bomb.

That can't have been on purpose?

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Only a 21,000 lb bomb?
The RAF were dropping 22,000 lb Grand Slam bombs in WW2, which could penetrate 20 ft. of concrete.

MOAB is a thin-skinned air-blast bomb, with no penetration capability, so of very little use against the supposed target of ISIS caves and tunnels.
But it does make a lovely bang!

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No penetration but it's concussive, so it should kill or really hurt all the people in the caves.


Supposedly.

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Only a 21,000 lb bomb?
The RAF were dropping 22,000 lb Grand Slam bombs in WW2, which could penetrate 20 ft. of concrete.

MOAB is a thin-skinned air-blast bomb, with no penetration capability, so of very little use against the supposed target of ISIS caves and tunnels.
But it does make a lovely bang!
grand slam had slightly higher weight, but only half the blast yield

a lot of research has been done over the years on explosive compounds and the fluid dynamics of the detonation shock wave.  they've really optimized this stuff to get more bang for your pound, so to speak.

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All depends on how deep your caves and tunnels are.
The main reason for deployment is surely PR, rather than strategic?

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That's certainly a large part of it.

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Reply #12
Killed 36 ISIS fighters according to Afghan officials.

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lol

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Only a 21,000 lb bomb?
The RAF were dropping 22,000 lb Grand Slam bombs in WW2, which could penetrate 20 ft. of concrete.

MOAB is a thin-skinned air-blast bomb, with no penetration capability, so of very little use against the supposed target of ISIS caves and tunnels.
But it does make a lovely bang!

Yes, I'm sure you know more about this than the god knows how many PhDs and engineers who spent years building it.

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Killed 36 ISIS fighters according to Afghan officials.
So it only took 600 pounds of explosive to kill each one. Economical. :parrot:
Truth is out of style

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Killed 36 ISIS fighters according to Afghan officials.
So it only took 600 pounds of explosive to kill each one. Economical. :parrot:
And $450,000 per kill!

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Killed 36 ISIS fighters according to Afghan officials.
So it only took 600 pounds of explosive to kill each one. Economical. :parrot:
And $450,000 per kill!

Better than the life of 2-3 special forces guys.   :dealwithit:

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Killed 36 ISIS fighters according to Afghan officials.
So it only took 600 pounds of explosive to kill each one. Economical. :parrot:
And $450,000 per kill!
We could probably have hired some Russian Mafia hitmen to go in and wipe them bastids out. I bet we could have gotten two hitmen for each of the ISIS, just to make sure, plus pay their expenses, and still saved at least half.

Plus, total deniability. We just suggest they were late on their payments or dissed Putin or something like that.
Are we there yet?

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Killed 36 ISIS fighters according to Afghan officials.
So it only took 600 pounds of explosive to kill each one. Economical. :parrot:
And $450,000 per kill!
hey, during the civil war, we were spending 2 men to kill every 1 confederate soldier.  but we could afford to replace our guys, and they couldn't.  and we eventually found a general who could stomach sacrificing hundreds of thousands of men just to kill half as many bad guys.  so it was only a matter of time and political will.

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Reply #20
Why the fuck was the ratio 2:1? That's pretty poor management on someone's part.
Truth is out of style

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Reply #21
the south had better generals

checking the total numbers of combat deaths, it looks like the final kill ratio for the whole war was more like 1.15:1.  but that total includes the final part of the war, when the confederates were poorly supplied and disorganized, and were losing most of the battles.

early in the war, northern generals were afraid to engage Robert E Lee, and for good reason.  when they did, he slaughtered them.

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Lincoln was frustrated because he couldn't find anyone willing to fight Lee.  he went through several generals who just wrung their hands and made excuses to stay north of the Potomac, before he finally discovered Ulysses S Grant, the sternest motherfucker who ever lived.  it is impossible to understate how many fucks Grant gave.  in the pantheon of historical superlatives, he has to go down as "gave fewest fucks".

the guy certainly had his flaws.  when someone expressed concern that Grant drank too much, Lincoln said to find out his brand of whiskey and issue a bottle to all his generals.

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:rofl: Good for Lincoln.
Truth is out of style

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Reply #24
Sherman was pretty damn ruthless.
Are we there yet?