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Guys, something is really wrong
I've never really been afraid of where we might be going as a country.  Yeah things are screwed up but when aren't they screwed up?  We seem to always be able to muddle along doing what we do.

But this weekend, yesterday really, changed that a bit.  I am actually now afraid of where we might be heading.

I made my annual visit to see my mother yesterday.  She lives a couple of miles from me but for reasons I don't ever interact with that part of my family.  Anyway, we were sitting on the back porch with my sisters and a couple of cousins and for some weird reason #BLM came up.  Now, my family is very apolitical so that this topic came up shocked me a little bit.  But then my mother actually for really real in real life says, "A black person told me, now remember this is a black person saying it, that you have black people and you have niggers."

My mom unironically dropped the "nigger" bomb . . . a BUNCH of times!

This is the woman that would have washed my mouth out with soap if I had said that growing up.

And that sent chills down my spine and made me start to literally fear the future.

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It's ok, because her black friend said it.

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Ok, but that brings to mind a Chris Rock skit where he says he loves black people but he hates "niggers". He defines the latter as basically gangsters or wannabes, and similar twits (I could find the video if necessary). So, it is possible that your mum actually was told exactly that by a black person. Just giving her the benefit of the doubt here.
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I imagine placating white people you don't want to argue with by saying shit like that is a kind of self protection, separating oneself from a criminal element within one's minority group.

You never hear white people say there's white people and then there are biker gangs.

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I'm sorry, buddy. It must be really hard to hear that from someone you love.

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Well in Chris Rock's case it wasn't self protection. The audience were mostly black people.
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I made my annual visit to see my mother yesterday.  She lives a couple of miles from me but for reasons I don't ever interact with that part of my family.  Anyway, we were sitting on the back porch with my sisters and a couple of cousins and for some weird reason #BLM came up.  Now, my family is very apolitical so that this topic came up shocked me a little bit.  But then my mother actually for really real in real life says, "A black person told me, now remember this is a black person saying it, that you have black people and you have niggers."
Is THIS what she was describing?



Because, if so,  I have a fairly simple answer to her concerns.

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Not sure I want to compare wealthy famous comedian with average black person with white friends.

Then again, it's the US. Regardless of Chris Rock et al, even edgy black teens here aren't prone to using the word casually, at least not in my experience. Any time I've heard Ksen's Mom's quote, it's been from a white person who is reluctant to entirely let go their racist past but has discovered there are black people, colleagues, friends, doctors, etc., that they personally like, trust and admire. So they make a distinction.

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Famous comedian set the precedent, and it obviously resonated with a lot of average black people. And that was 20 years ago, so it's well known and has been for ages.

And I could give you an anecdote from a bloke in Philadelphia, which is that in his experience it was common for younger black people there to use the word without even considering it to be edgy, and without even referring to other black people. He gave the example of "them Irish niggers" as being usage he had heard. IOW, it had morphed into being just another generic word in their slang. At least in Philly anyway.

Reliable source, BTW, and defo not racist. Was a member at CEMB, but died recently.
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I made my annual visit to see my mother yesterday.  She lives a couple of miles from me but for reasons I don't ever interact with that part of my family.  Anyway, we were sitting on the back porch with my sisters and a couple of cousins and for some weird reason #BLM came up.  Now, my family is very apolitical so that this topic came up shocked me a little bit.  But then my mother actually for really real in real life says, "A black person told me, now remember this is a black person saying it, that you have black people and you have niggers."
Is THIS what she was describing?



Because, if so,  I have a fairly simple answer to her concerns.

I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.

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Well yeah, Canada's always a bit behind the times with American slang.

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Of course, Ksen could just show his mother the other famous Chris Rock skit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPDetBACaU0
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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".

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And I could give you an anecdote from a bloke in Philadelphia, which is that in his experience it was common for younger black people there to use the word without even considering it to be edgy, and without even referring to other black people.

You don't really know what you're talking about, here.

It's okay. We understand you're Australian, buddy.  :unsmith:

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Do you guys remember there was a pretty famous rap group in the 80s and 90s named NWA?

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Nice White Americans?

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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".


It means that sometime when I wasn't looking my mom seems to have turned into a racist asshole . . . along with the rest of my family. :sadcheer:

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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".


It means that sometime when I wasn't looking my mom seems to have turned into a racist asshole . . . along with the rest of my family. :sadcheer:

My family's always been racist (and failing to grasp the absurdity of being racist in a country that doesn't consider you to be part of the white majority), and my in-laws are only a bit better. And some of my idiot dumbass ignorant coworkers just can't fucking help themselves in talking trash about immigrants and Hispanics right in front of my face, with zero apparent awareness of what they're doing. I've gotten really good at staring blankly, waiting for them to shut the fuck up. Hang in there, buddy.  :hug:

Incidentally, your mom is why Chris Rock disavows that bit and will never perform it again. Fucking white people have to ruin everything, even crappy, stale comedy routines.

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Keen, your mom is what, 75-80? What she thinks is not indicative of where the country is headed.
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Just saying
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Keen, your mom is what, 75-80? What she thinks is not indicative of where the country is headed.

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Both sides of my currently living family are pretty decently non-racist, except for the often appalling Florida cousins. One of my grandmothers was pretty awful (in multiple ways), which was weird seeing as she hardly ever saw anyone who wasn't bright English Canadian white in her entire life other than the FN ladies who used to visit every summer to sell neat stuff they made. She warned me once about dating 'Negros', as she'd seen some TV show that had interracial couples or something. Was pleased to be able to tell her I was dating a six foot tall Chinese guy at the time. She really was awful.

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Keen, your mom is what, 75-80? What she thinks is not indicative of where the country is headed.

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That's only two years older than me. :ohdear:

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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".


It means that sometime when I wasn't looking my mom seems to have turned into a racist asshole . . . along with the rest of my family. :sadcheer:

I know those feels.

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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".


It means that sometime when I wasn't looking my mom seems to have turned into a racist asshole . . . along with the rest of my family. :sadcheer:

My family's always been racist (and failing to grasp the absurdity of being racist in a country that doesn't consider you to be part of the white majority), and my in-laws are only a bit better.
it has been a pattern in this country's history for members of a current or recent wave of immigrants to be the biggest racists.  you get here and you see that there is something of a racist caste system in this country, and you don't want to be at the bottom of it, so you kiss up to the wasps and kick down at anyone darker or fresher off the boat than you.  the Irish were the biggest racists in the late 1800s and early 1900s.  then the italians and poles started out doing them some time in the mid 1900s.  now it's up to YOU PEOPLE to carry the torch.

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And some of my idiot dumbass ignorant coworkers just can't fucking help themselves in talking trash about immigrants and Hispanics right in front of my face, with zero apparent awareness of what they're doing. I've gotten really good at staring blankly, waiting for them to shut the fuck up. Hang in there, buddy.  :hug:

Incidentally, your mom is why Chris Rock disavows that bit and will never perform it again. Fucking white people have to ruin everything, even crappy, stale comedy routines.
suspect chris rock did that bit to troll the closet racists into revealing themselves.

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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".


It means that sometime when I wasn't looking my mom seems to have turned into a racist asshole . . . along with the rest of my family. :sadcheer:

My family's always been racist (and failing to grasp the absurdity of being racist in a country that doesn't consider you to be part of the white majority), and my in-laws are only a bit better.
it has been a pattern in this country's history for members of a current or recent wave of immigrants to be the biggest racists.  you get here and you see that there is something of a racist caste system in this country, and you don't want to be at the bottom of it, so you kiss up to the wasps and kick down at anyone darker or fresher off the boat than you.  the Irish were the biggest racists in the late 1800s and early 1900s.  then the italians and poles started out doing them some time in the mid 1900s.  now it's up to YOU PEOPLE to carry the torch.

Give my family some credit, dude. They were racist before they came here, and Latin America has its own history of racism. It's just like you Americans to assume you're special and exceptional. :colbert:

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you people will never do racism as well as the whites

:colbert:

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I would rank the Dutch pretty high in "whose the raciest white people".

(yes, you can read that multiple ways :D).

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I think she was describing the ones that don't act white.
What does this mean?  I've heard a lot of 'definitions' about it but nothing that could be termed "main stream" or "generic".


It means that sometime when I wasn't looking my mom seems to have turned into a racist asshole . . . along with the rest of my family. :sadcheer:

My family's always been racist (and failing to grasp the absurdity of being racist in a country that doesn't consider you to be part of the white majority), and my in-laws are only a bit better.
it has been a pattern in this country's history for members of a current or recent wave of immigrants to be the biggest racists.  you get here and you see that there is something of a racist caste system in this country, and you don't want to be at the bottom of it, so you kiss up to the wasps and kick down at anyone darker or fresher off the boat than you.  the Irish were the biggest racists in the late 1800s and early 1900s.  then the italians and poles started out doing them some time in the mid 1900s.  now it's up to YOU PEOPLE to carry the torch.

Give my family some credit, dude. They were racist before they came here, and Latin America has its own history of racism. It's just like you Americans to assume you're special and exceptional. :colbert:

You're so Americanized that you refer to citizens of the US as "Americans" without a second thought.

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qué vergüenza

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Eh, bein' from TX, I can tell you that shit was around long before Chris Rock was.  My Grandpa was a Ku Kluxer and elected Sheriff of a rural county four times, but there was a break in his service when he was defeated for his third re-election the first time by a Republican.  Four years later he hooked up with the NAACP and a bunch of African-American pastors and got it back.  We had the same stuff come up in graduate school - the church lady type African-Americans said it about the more "street" sorts. 

My nephew is wearin' a badge these days so I gotta be "blue lives matter" about this crap, because family's family.  But he's a got an African-American uncle by marriage so he's a little better prepared than some of the other peckerwoods he serves with.  

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You're so Americanized that you refer to citizens of the US as "Americans" without a second thought.
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You're so Americanized that you refer to citizens of the US as "Americans" without a second thought.
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I grew up in the states so it applies equally to me.

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My Mom, die-hard Republican, in a recent conversation with me about current events, including BLM, Trump, and the Dallas (where she lives) shooting that happened 2 days before my visit, said she was probably voting Green this year on the presidential ticket.

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"I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored"

Donald Trump's nomination is the first time American politics has left me truly afraid - Ezra Klein
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Donald Trump's nomination is the first time American politics has left me truly afraid - Ezra Klein
That's because you were born in 1984, and don't really know shit about American politics.

You don't know about Nixon, or the war,
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protip: When doing laundry, separate the colored from the whites.
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Ok, but that brings to mind a Chris Rock skit where he says he loves black people but he hates "niggers". He defines the latter as basically gangsters or wannabes, and similar twits (I could find the video if necessary). So, it is possible that your mum actually was told exactly that by a black person. Just giving her the benefit of the doubt here.

Chris Rock quit doing that routine, saying racists thought he was giving them permission to use the term in question.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_vs._Black_People

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Keen, your mom is what, 75-80? What she thinks is not indicative of where the country is headed.

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She could run for president
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Donald Trump's nomination is the first time American politics has left me truly afraid - Ezra Klein
That's because you were born in 1984, and don't really know shit about American politics.

You don't know about Nixon, or the war,
You really must be bored.
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