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http://www.newstarget.com/...
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News Target publishes information that cannot be validated and that is anti scientific fact. The information provided should be regarded as speculative opinion or propaganda and cannot be substantiated by fact or evidence. It is among the most untrustworthy sources in the media.
... in other words, ideal fodder for gullible tools like Hawkins.
Someone should try to dissect the psychology of people who go straight for that kind of reality-challenged source, in severe denial of sanity and reason. You can't just say 'they're crazy', because most of them manage to get by every day, get up, look after themselves properly, hold down jobs, etc. But there they are, in the evenings, poring over the modern equivalent of grimoires and alchemists' journals.
Yes someone should try to dissect that psychology ... the psychology that denies all reason and proposes that my uncle was a monkey and that the universe "just happened" with no intelligent input.  The psychology that assumes that Dave "goes for" sites like that and never bothers to define what they mean by "goes for."  I can analyze this psychology for you in about 5 seconds.

Lying.

Lying to yourself and to others.

The end.
There you go again. Accusing people of lying without any fucking evidence. And your argument rests on caricatures and willfull misinterpretations borne of your irrational prejudices. When will you ever learn?

FFS, grow up Dave.
I think I've got to stick up for him here. He posted a link to newstarget describing Mike Adam's response as a "rant". I took that to mean he was being critical of the response from Adams. He was then accused of buying into what he just criticized. 
No use trying to convince Voxrat of anything.  He's got his orthodoxy and he's happy.

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http://www.newstarget.com/...
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News Target publishes information that cannot be validated and that is anti scientific fact. The information provided should be regarded as speculative opinion or propaganda and cannot be substantiated by fact or evidence. It is among the most untrustworthy sources in the media.
... in other words, ideal fodder for gullible tools like Hawkins.
Someone should try to dissect the psychology of people who go straight for that kind of reality-challenged source, in severe denial of sanity and reason. You can't just say 'they're crazy', because most of them manage to get by every day, get up, look after themselves properly, hold down jobs, etc. But there they are, in the evenings, poring over the modern equivalent of grimoires and alchemists' journals.
Yes someone should try to dissect that psychology ... the psychology that denies all reason and proposes that my uncle was a monkey and that the universe "just happened" with no intelligent input.  The psychology that assumes that Dave "goes for" sites like that and never bothers to define what they mean by "goes for."  I can analyze this psychology for you in about 5 seconds.

Lying.

Lying to yourself and to others.

The end.
There you go again. Accusing people of lying without any fucking evidence. And your argument rests on caricatures and willfull misinterpretations borne of your irrational prejudices. When will you ever learn?

FFS, grow up Dave.
I think I've got to stick up for him here. He posted a link to newstarget describing Mike Adam's response as a "rant". I took that to mean he was being critical of the response from Adams. He was then accused of buying into what he just criticized. 
No use trying to convince Voxrat of anything.  He's got his orthodoxy and he's happy.
Convince [serious] then.
Did you, in fact, refer to  Mike Adams's article (owner of NaturalNews) as "rant" to express your criticism of it, or not?
If so, what IS your criticism? Where do you disagree with him?

  • Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 04:37:30 AM by VoxRat
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http://www.newstarget.com/...
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News Target publishes information that cannot be validated and that is anti scientific fact. The information provided should be regarded as speculative opinion or propaganda and cannot be substantiated by fact or evidence. It is among the most untrustworthy sources in the media.
... in other words, ideal fodder for gullible tools like Hawkins.
Someone should try to dissect the psychology of people who go straight for that kind of reality-challenged source, in severe denial of sanity and reason. You can't just say 'they're crazy', because most of them manage to get by every day, get up, look after themselves properly, hold down jobs, etc. But there they are, in the evenings, poring over the modern equivalent of grimoires and alchemists' journals.
Yes someone should try to dissect that psychology ... the psychology that denies all reason and proposes that my uncle was a monkey and that the universe "just happened" with no intelligent input.  The psychology that assumes that Dave "goes for" sites like that and never bothers to define what they mean by "goes for."  I can analyze this psychology for you in about 5 seconds.

Lying.

Lying to yourself and to others.

The end.

There you go again. Accusing people of lying without any fucking evidence. And your argument rests on caricatures and willfull misinterpretations borne of your irrational prejudices. When will you ever learn?

FFS, grow up Dave.
I think I've got to stick up for him here. He posted a link to newstarget describing Mike Adam's response as a "rant". I took that to mean he was being critical of the response from Adams. He was then accused of buying into what he just criticized. 
It might have been helpful to edit the quoted bit of this post, [Serious].
In quoting the whole thing, you appear to be "sticking up for" Hawkins, not just for (maybe) being critical of NaturalNews's Mike Adams's "rant", but for all of it, including the bit I've put in red
Hawkins regularly accuses people who teach mainstream science of lying - an outrageous libel he needs to be called out on. In his embrace of pseudoscience, and his accusations of dishonesty on the part of mainstream science he is very much on the same page as Adams, which is why I doubt he meant any criticism in his use of the word "rant".  Rather, I suspect he used the term in much the same spirit as Trump supporters proudly adopted the description "deplorable" after Clinton applied that term to the racist, misogynistic, homophobic elements of his support.
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"Convince [serious] then."

Lol

He's already convinced.  I know that's disappointing to you but you'll get over it.  Why don't you go do something useful like develop a new vaccine ... you aren't adding any value here.

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"Convince [serious] then."

Lol

He's already convinced. 
Yes, but he appears to be convinced of something that probably isn't true.
He appears to be convinced that you were criticizing Mike Adams's article.
In light of your uncritical promotion of his website, NaturalNews, in the past, that seems unlikely.
I doubt that anyone has failed to notice that you refuse to acknowledge - let alone address - the direct questions:

Did you, in fact, refer to  Mike Adams's article (owner of NaturalNews) as "rant" to express your criticism of it, or not?
If so, what IS your criticism?
Where do you disagree with him?


And I doubt that anyone wonders why that is.
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I don't really care if you think [serious] is convinced of things that aren't true.   You obviously have your opinions and no one can convince you otherwise.  It's a waste of time to try.

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Don't you have better things to do than try to get someone you despise [me] to try to convince someone you don't know [serious] about things you have no interest in?  That seems weird.
  • Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 05:56:47 AM by Dave Hawkins

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Well, we can at least all agree on this:[1] It's a waste of time to try and convince others of your honesty and the consistency of your claims.

Although not for the same reasons.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

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Don't you have better things to do than try to get someone you despise [me] to try to convince someone you don't know [serious] about things you have no interest in?  That seems weird.
Calling out bullshit, and bullshitters, is sort of a hobby of mine.
Don't worry. I get lots of other stuff done too.

As it is, I believe you have intentionally misled (i.e. bullshitted) [Serious].

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 OK thanks for your opinion.

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Anyway, if anyone's interest was piqued on this nutter, Mike Adams, here's another sample of his latest thinking

RED ALERT: Fascist Google begins PURGE of pro-Trump websites as prelude to massive false flag or coup attempt

:rofl: 

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Now, Natural News has learned that the take down of NaturalNews.com is just the opening salvo of a massive free speech purge from Google to silence pro-Trump voices across the 'net. After my announcement yesterday that described Google's outrageous censorship of Natural News, I have been contacted by several other site owners who say they were also taken offline at about the same time.

Good to know there is some degree of right-wing lunacy Hawkins is reluctant to openly embrace.
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Anyway, if anyone's interest was piqued on this nutter, Mike Adams, here's another sample of his latest thinking

RED ALERT: Fascist Google begins PURGE of pro-Trump websites as prelude to massive false flag or coup attempt

:rofl: 

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Now, Natural News has learned that the take down of NaturalNews.com is just the opening salvo of a massive free speech purge from Google to silence pro-Trump voices across the 'net. After my announcement yesterday that described Google's outrageous censorship of Natural News, I have been contacted by several other site owners who say they were also taken offline at about the same time.

Good to know there is some degree of right-wing lunacy Hawkins is reluctant to openly embrace.
Haha "Taken Offline"...    They're still online.   They're just not indexed by Google.  Can the Government force a private company to link to sites that run counter to its "sincerely held beliefs"?   Seems like something the Free Market could take care of, no?
While you were getting your PhD in virology, I got my PhD in truth detection. :wave:  Dave Hawkins

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Vox and Dave, each of you has a way to buttress your position.

Vox, if you find an example of him linking to naturalnews, or another mike adams site, it will pretty conclusively prove your point that Dave is given to getting fooled by such sites.

Dave, you've actually got a really easy one here. All you have to do is do as Vox requested and spell out some criticisms of Mike Adams and Naturalnews.

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Vox and Dave, each of you has a way to buttress your position.

Vox, if you find an example of him linking to naturalnews, or another mike adams site, it will pretty conclusively prove your point that Dave is given to getting fooled by such sites.
I did that:

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Hawkins can speak for himself whether he was being critical of the "rant" from the source he has often represented as reliable (e.g.here) or he's had a change of heart.

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I just picked one; Hawkins has cited NaturalNews multiple times. 

Quote from: [Serious
]Dave, you've actually got a really easy one here. All you have to do is do as Vox requested and spell out some criticisms of Mike Adams and Naturalnews.
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https://debunkingdenialism.com/2017/02/25/google-confirms-natural-news-removed-for-using-sneaky-mobile-redirects/
Yes...?
And...?

Is there a point here?
Are you confirming that Adams is on an irrational rant in his bizarre conspiracy theory about Google, but he's totally credible on raw milk, anti-vax, alternative dental science and all his other pseudoscience?
Or what?  :dunno:
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https://debunkingdenialism.com/2017/02/25/google-confirms-natural-news-removed-for-using-sneaky-mobile-redirects/
Yes, they were delisted for noncompliance with Google's terms of service. We already knew that.

Do you have a point?
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Vox and Dave, each of you has a way to buttress your position.

Vox, if you find an example of him linking to naturalnews, or another mike adams site, it will pretty conclusively prove your point that Dave is given to getting fooled by such sites.
I did that:

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Hawkins can speak for himself whether he was being critical of the "rant" from the source he has often represented as reliable (e.g.here) or he's had a change of heart.

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I just picked one; Hawkins has cited NaturalNews multiple times. 

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]Dave, you've actually got a really easy one here. All you have to do is do as Vox requested and spell out some criticisms of Mike Adams and Naturalnews.
I missed that. I rescind my earlier criticism.

Dave, he has you dead to rights here.

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Reply #43
https://debunkingdenialism.com/2017/02/25/google-confirms-natural-news-removed-for-using-sneaky-mobile-redirects/
Yes...?
And...?

Is there a point here?
Are you confirming that Adams is on an irrational rant in his bizarre conspiracy theory about Google, but he's totally credible on raw milk, anti-vax, alternative dental science and all his other pseudoscience?
Or what?  :dunno:
Yes. Like you (and Newton), he's right about some things ... and he's batshit insane about other things.

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https://debunkingdenialism.com/2017/02/25/google-confirms-natural-news-removed-for-using-sneaky-mobile-redirects/
Yes...?
And...?

Is there a point here?
Are you confirming that Adams is on an irrational rant in his bizarre conspiracy theory about Google, but he's totally credible on raw milk, anti-vax, alternative dental science and all his other pseudoscience?
Or what?  :dunno:
Yes. Like you (and Newton), he's right about some things ... and he's batshit insane about other things.
No. He's wrong on pretty much everything.
Because - Surprise! - "right" does not mean "agrees with Dave Hawkins".

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I don't know that he was wrong about everything. Newton might have been onto something with that alchemy business.

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https://debunkingdenialism.com/2017/02/25/google-confirms-natural-news-removed-for-using-sneaky-mobile-redirects/
Yes...?
And...?

Is there a point here?
Are you confirming that Adams is on an irrational rant in his bizarre conspiracy theory about Google, but he's totally credible on raw milk, anti-vax, alternative dental science and all his other pseudoscience?
Or what?  :dunno:
Yes. Like you (and Newton), he's right about some things ... and he's batshit insane about other things.

Ok, so you've got an opportunity to get me back on board here. What things does he say that are right, and what things are batshit insane? Why do the respective things get categorized as one or the other?