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Messages - borealis

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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Anyway teeth there's no chance of a cop surviving tonight. Best case is a sane cop as well .

If Scum pick out and kill the sane cop, then teeth is in the frame for setting up the tw mislynch. That's a bit far fetched right now.

Ksen and valor. Allowing town to eat itself since 1980.

Well, after today I am fairly sure Scum won't kill me.
That is, if you flip town they have set me up to take all the wifom tomorrow.
Even if people just think I am insane cop, any reading I get will be suspect. :(

Depends on what MZ flip reveals. If he's an unaware Miller for example then TW is a sane cop. Scum will need to kill him.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Millers usually know they are millers, but do they always?

I agree, nostrum, no one is scum hunting the rest of the day.

Plus TW is probably bang on right and MZ will flip scum, so:

##VOTE final MZ##


You did Bor, just before signing off for the night. :)

:ohmy:

I may or may not have been asleep when I made that post. 'Cause I'd forgotten about it.

Okay, simplest explanation is: MZ is scum, cop TW viewed him, and the rest is just wifom and scum-shade.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
me, bor, mz, tw

yes, sounds right

I didn't final vote though.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
K it is almost 1:30 way past my bedtime.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Millers usually know they are millers, but do they always?

I agree, nostrum, no one is scum hunting the rest of the day.

Plus TW is probably bang on right and MZ will flip scum, so:

##VOTE final MZ##
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
No, I don't have to. Unless everybody really wants to end the day right now, which would still mean waiting for bili to call nightfall, which might not be for many hours. It's 10PM I think where bili lives, he and TBM are at an event, he might check in or not until morning.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Well, we're about to find out. Not much choice.

##VOTE magicziggy##
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Okay.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Never final vote!

What if TW lied about his view in order to get scum off guard?
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Have you turned anyone into a newt?
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Alternatively: it's disgusting that the university has to put out that kind of cash because of the antifa assholes.

More directly: how would you suggest your system be implemented? Would apply to civil rights movements at state universities in the Deep South, who did face much larger opposition and needed much more security?

I don't know. Did those state universities pay for security costs? or was it all done by police and other law enforcement bodies paid for by the state?


I don't know either - but let's say that the policy was the same as that of Berkeley. Should the civil rights marchers have been required to pay a fee, in the same way you are proposing here?

I don't really think protestors should be required to pay for security. Do you think Milo is a 'protestor'?
I don't see how you got 'protestors' from what I was saying. Civil rights marchers often weren't directly protesting a speaker - often, they were the speakers. And in their role as speakers, should they have been required to pay a fee?
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And even if he is - should universities be bankrupted, or, as meep has pointed out, have to spend vastly more on security for such events than on actual educational programs? If so, what is the point of a university? Is it not for education and research, but for hosting speakers who may instigate violent protests?

Should broadly controversial speakers be hosted at a different kind of facility, not at universities?
I'd generally say that hosting such controversial speakers (as well as non-controversial speakers, of course) is an integral part of college education. But even taking that policy in mind: does that mean that civil rights speakers should have not been allowed to give their speeches at universities (or not given security when doing so), and instead required to give their speeches at a "separate kind of facility"? I considered the denial of security for speakers as yet one more problem with reactions to the civil rights movement.

Given civil rights speakers were outright killed, yes, that was a problem.

You aren't addressing the main point though, which is that it is costing more for the uni to host Milo (or any controversial speaker)than for entire real educational programs. How do you address that?
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yeh, seems like a catastrophic waste of resources to me.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
you're on a roll

who would you vote next?

I am very concerned about Bor, but if MZ is not day viged and there is another badie out there I expect to be killed tonight and not have to worry who to lynch.

Well done.

 :sadcheer: I really didn't think MZ was a witch though. He's usually kinda edgy if he rolls scum.
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Alternatively: it's disgusting that the university has to put out that kind of cash because of the antifa assholes.

lol

eta:

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More directly: how would you suggest your system be implemented? Would apply to civil rights movements at state universities in the Deep South, who did face much larger opposition and needed much more security?

for real tho, why is pandora posting using uncool's account?

BSAB, TioH.  :awgee:
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Alternatively: it's disgusting that the university has to put out that kind of cash because of the antifa assholes.

More directly: how would you suggest your system be implemented? Would apply to civil rights movements at state universities in the Deep South, who did face much larger opposition and needed much more security?

I don't know. Did those state universities pay for security costs? or was it all done by police and other law enforcement bodies paid for by the state?


I don't know either - but let's say that the policy was the same as that of Berkeley. Should the civil rights marchers have been required to pay a fee, in the same way you are proposing here?

I don't really think protestors should be required to pay for security. Do you think Milo is a 'protestor'?

And even if he is - should universities be bankrupted, or, as meep has pointed out, have to spend vastly more on security for such events than on actual educational programs? If so, what is the point of a university? Is it not for education and research, but for hosting speakers who may instigate violent protests?

Should broadly controversial speakers be hosted at a different kind of facility, not at universities?
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
I'm not sure. Those are my scummier picks is all.
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Alternatively: it's disgusting that the university has to put out that kind of cash because of the antifa assholes.

More directly: how would you suggest your system be implemented? Would apply to civil rights movements at state universities in the Deep South, who did face much larger opposition and needed much more security?

I don't know. Did those state universities pay for security costs? or was it all done by police and other law enforcement bodies paid for by the state?

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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
You do seem very nervous Bor.
As I can never read you, your one of the ones I am very likely to ask for a read on. :)

Go ahead, but I'd rather you checked up on TBM or Valor or ksen.

@ Bor

and you do seem to be WKing MZ.

I don't think he's any more scummy than other players and it's weird you picked him out of six players that chucked a vote on gib.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
I am revealing myself because I have the name of a witch from last nights investigation.

The question is, how many bad guys are there?
Only the grit and the one I have caught? Or another one hiding in the woodwork?

Well spit it out. The doc is dead and we had a dayvig.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
Here's the sequence:

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Nos fos'd gib
314 TBM agreed on fos
318 diva fos'd gib
323 TBM votes gib
327 Nos votes gib
329 diva votes gib
330 ksen votes gib
334 MZ votes gib
336 rach votes gib

I maybe could vote TBM. Or someone who avoided that vote who was not actually asleep in bed at the time.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
So? Grit, MZ, Bor are the scum team?

I'm not, and I don't currently think MZ is. Barking up the wrong wookie maybe.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
I don't get why I'm the flavour of the day.

Cause you hammered your pal gib?

MZ was the hammer? I wasn't around eod. I should look at the vote I guess.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
I expect , no demand, that Scum come out and white knight me.
2 votes and a bit of fosing isn't much of a flavour, really.

I kinda favour Valor or ksen myself.

Lol, done!
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
2 votes and a bit of fosing isn't much of a flavour, really.

I kinda favour Valor or ksen myself.
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Mafia / Re: Witches Day 2
And what did you see, hmmm?