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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
ok well that sucks.

especially since while this is happening the Democratic party is fracturing over every little thing.
I think there's an accounting trick going on.
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thanks raven. yo

I just figured this seems like it's becoming a theme and it would be good to keep it organized. And it starts with good news!
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goddamnit. I must have hit the back button. Can a mod please change the thread title to "hate crime megathread"?
tia
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pair-who-led-racist-attack-boy-s-party-sentenced-years-n726421
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A man and a woman were sentenced Monday to 13 and six years in prison, respectively, for joining a group of Confederate flag supporters who in 2015 drove around a small Georgia community threatening people, including a gathering of African-Americans celebrating a young boy's birthday.

The attack, prosecuted under the state's Street Gang Terrorism law, came several weeks after a white supremacist killed nine black worshipers at a South Carolina church, sparking a backlash against public displays of the Confederate battle flag.


The Georgia group called itself Respect the Flag, and prior to the attack was seen driving in a convoy of trucks flying rebel flags, shouting threats at black people, authorities said.

The two sentenced Monday, Jose Torres and Kayla Norton, who authorities said yelled racist slurs and threatened the birthday revelers with a shotgun, were the last of the group to be sentenced. They wept in a Douglas County courtroom as a judge imposed their punishments: Torres, 26, convicted of aggravated assault, making terroristic threats and a violating street-gang statute, received 13 years in prison and another seven on probation; Norton, 25, convicted of making terroristic threats and violating the gang law, will serve 6 years in prison and nine on probation.

Both were also banished from Douglas County, a racially diverse community a few miles west of Atlanta.

Douglas County District Attorney Brian Fortner said in an interview that the prosecution of the attack began with people with less serious involvement, and moved in toward those who drove it.
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My mum used to be scared of cows. Quite likes them now.
there are plenty good reasons to be scared of cows.
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Science / Re: Metallic hydrogen
http://gizmodo.com/overhyped-miracle-metal-hydrogen-miraculously-disappea-1792794736
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As first reported last week, the team's lead researcher, Isaac F. Silvera, told ScienceAlert that while testing the sample earlier this month, the diamonds holding it cracked. He told them the sample disappeared, because it was either very small, or had turned back to gas. 🤔
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I don't know how you can say he wasn't a Florida man:
Quote from: wiki
Mateen was born Omar Mir Seddique[6] on November 16, 1986,[7] in New Hyde Park, New York, to Afghan parents. His father, Mir Seddique Mateen, is a Pashtun[8] who emigrated from Afghanistan in the 1980s.[9][10][11] After being raised in New York for a few years, he moved with his family to Port St. Lucie, Florida, in 1991.[8] His family was described as being moderate Muslims and "an all-American family".[12]

Also, mass shootings are not a proxy for crazy. Also, Having spent a lot of time in Florida, among three very different clans, I feel pretty confident stating unequivocally that mainstream Florida culture in the Palm Beach/Jupiter/Ft. Lauderdale area, the Coco Beach area,  and the Orlando area is toxic to a weird extreme. The panhandle I have only visited but the number of monster trucks with confederate flags is excessive in that region and it seems reasonable to use them as a proxy for nuts.
I live about 20 miles from Cocoa Beach. :sadcheer:
then you can confirm my assertion.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
Another possibility, which is probably more accurate, is that Ellison has made unwise statements on a few subjects, which has given opposition access to some unpleasant soundbytes that could be used by opposition researchers to harm the party's standings. As a result, it is better to put a safer face on the party while still sticking to a solid progressive agenda, and bringing Ellison in a lesser role to help set that agenda.
yeah. That was how I read it too.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I'm not sure it has to do with who is more progressive as much as who is accountable to the progressive movement and who is accountable to the clinton establishment.

eta: ninja'd
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I find the trouble with growing tomatoes is that my wife escapes and eats the buggers straight off the vine. Now she's corrupted me into the same bad habit, so this year my tomato capacity will be increased by ~400%

It's probably because your physiology is crying out for veggie supplements.

No, we eat LOADS of vegetables and fruit, it's just that there is nothing like a the smell and taste of a fresh sun-warmed tomato straight off the vine.
This is true
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Pingu, to Hawkins the High Speed Brain, "economics" means living on the cheap. "Economics" as everyone else means it is a science, and therefore anathema to him.
What I mean by "economics" in this context is that "the economics driving people's housing and food purchasing decisions."

I've mentioned a family that may be the second resident of my first "sustainable subdivision."  In order to attract this family, there has to be economic motivation as well as other motivations.  One economic motivation for the wife will be the ability to obtain 100% grass fed cow's milk for $3 a gallon (vs. $15 a gallon in the city) ... or ... for free if her husband agrees to take over the animal chores 1 day out of 7 per week.  A second motivation will be for her to be able to obtain pure , local organic raw honey for free under a similar arrangement.  Ditto for various kinds of meats and eggs.  Now it so happens that this same woman works as a caregiver for my elderly parents so - if my parents really do move out to this house I'm supposedly going to build - then she will be in this house 4 days a week, helping to take care of them ... meaning she will get a front row seat to see what it means to live in one of my "sustainable houses."  So one key goal for me is to build it in such a way as to get her to like it ... because if she does, then she will be "economically motivated" to have her husband build her one just like it ... because it will be so much less expensive than every other house she's ever lived in.

So these are the sorts of things I'm talking about when I talk about "economics."


I can't support this.
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The work is done on Earth as it is in Dallas.
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Because God works in Texas.
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They might be against overtly neoliberal politics. Count me among the class that sees that as the bad option which I would vote against given the opportunity.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
The US seems to have trouble handling the tolerance paradox. Dunno why.
Greece doesn't?
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I was surprised to learn how much bus fares are subsidized.  It's something like 90%.  I live in the burbs and can ride the commuter bus (non-stop from the park & ride until downtown) for about the same as I'd pay in gas for my shitty gas guzzling truck.  Harris county taxpayers throw in near $30 every time I do this.


That's for a whole bunch of reasons. Suburbs aren't dense enough to make public transportation efficient but they are too dense for a road infrastructure to deal with commute periods. That $30 is a part of a calculus that involves needing to get commuters off the roads badly. It's worth it to get 30 to 100 cars off the road per bus (in typical suburban areas).

 But, like I said, it's pretty complex calculus.
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actually declaring the press the enemy of the american people?

eta: so far we've already had murders and other hate crimes against the people he's vilified. How long will it be before some Kansas or Florida idiot goes after reporters or a news organization?
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the most obvious way is with weight/mile charges. Perhaps using tax credits to offset the burden for low income individuals or something.
Or just say fuck it, and exempt private transport from road charges. Just put (non-crippling) fees on heavy transport, and make up any shortfall by ensuring your revenue is sufficient to cover infrastructure maintenance.
I would tend to agree with this if we could also make lanes specifically for freight transport. The movement of freight is a major component of local economies and it makes sense to privilege freight at least a little bit. Of course, that also requires a commitment to multi-modal transportation systems in urban environments. Those with significant sprawl would be substantially disadvantaged.
Well, another thing would be to encourage more use of rail. It will move a lot more weight for the same amount of fuel.
it's a part of a fully mixed modal transportation system. There are places rail doesn't go to and there are JIT considerations to truck travel.
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the most obvious way is with weight/mile charges. Perhaps using tax credits to offset the burden for low income individuals or something.
Or just say fuck it, and exempt private transport from road charges. Just put (non-crippling) fees on heavy transport, and make up any shortfall by ensuring your revenue is sufficient to cover infrastructure maintenance.
I would tend to agree with this if we could also make lanes specifically for freight transport. The movement of freight is a major component of local economies and it makes sense to privilege freight at least a little bit. Of course, that also requires a commitment to multi-modal transportation systems in urban environments. Those with significant sprawl would be substantially disadvantaged.
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the most obvious way is with weight/mile charges. Perhaps using tax credits to offset the burden for low income individuals or something.
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If they had to pay it yearly, that would be an entirely different matter and would dramatically impact low income individuals' ability to drive at all.
Well actually it wouldn't, because they'd be paying the same amount. What you mean is that if given the choice they would spend the money on something else during the year, and then not be able to pay the annual bill. Under the current system they don't have the option to spend the money on something else.
um. right. It's a prepayment system that only affects you for each trip. Your reframing is kinda missing the point by a long ways even though you include the point. It had an oddly deliberate look to it also.  :hmm:
If the point is that a sensible system should take account of human foibles then no, I hadn't missed that. I was just pointing out that if either system assigned fees equitably the cost of either should be the same.

And you could argue that since people could save up the cash and get interest on it for a year, they should be better off with an annual fee. If you were an economist who made the mistake of assuming people were rational.

well, if you're broke, savings, however rational, are not an option. If you can't pay a $200 bill on your car every year, you probably are wiped out by unexpected situation on a fairly regular basis.
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If they had to pay it yearly, that would be an entirely different matter and would dramatically impact low income individuals' ability to drive at all.
Well actually it wouldn't, because they'd be paying the same amount. What you mean is that if given the choice they would spend the money on something else during the year, and then not be able to pay the annual bill. Under the current system they don't have the option to spend the money on something else.
um. right. It's a prepayment system that only affects you for each trip. Your reframing is kinda missing the point by a long ways even though you include the point. It had an oddly deliberate look to it also.  :hmm:
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It could be given as a flat fee or a weight/mile tax depending on the drivers' preference.
In which case anyone doing a shitload of miles would chose the flat fee, and anyone doing bugger all miles would choose the weight/mile tax. :popcorn:


However, there is something toll-roadish and vaguely elitist about treating the commons that way.
And you could go ballistic about "welfare queens sucking at the public teat" with the present system, if it's not completely equitable with regard to system maintenance cost vs fee charged.
well, that's a progressive/regressive taxation question. The one thing about gas taxes is that, as a sales tax, it's only paid a little at a time so normal consumers don't recognize it as dramatic. If they had to pay it yearly, that would be an entirely different matter and would dramatically impact low income individuals' ability to drive at all.