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Huh. Interesting. 4d chess.
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Computers and Technology / Brave browser
My son told me to use it and I just downloaded it and am posting from it. It loads noticeably faster than chrome. So far, that's the only thing I can say about it. It has a built in ad block which gets around the Android restriction.
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I don't think this is the only possible was to interpret her statement. Pointing out the problems in teeth's analogy does not lessen the horribleness in what the Trump election says about america.

she has repeatedly said liberals are being worse, try to keep up :mason:
Well, being bad doesn't mean being worse. But it's definitely possible that I'm not kept up here.
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Mafia / Re: Omelas Mafia Sign-ups
Did you post this at Mr too?
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I'm still trying to understand how liberals are better at being shitheaded retards than conservatives are.

they say mean things which is worse than the active destruction of government functions and democratic norms and blatant fucking corruption and literally supporting a pedophile and cruel punitive deportations and all those other awesome things currently happening

ugh libs are so smarmy *shoots self in the dick, grins*
Shithead activities:

Lauding and supporting the suppression of free speech from people with whom they disagree
Supporting and calling for the normalization of political violence on the basis of belief
Condoning the abandonment of rule of law, as long as the target of vigilante "justice" is deemed to be "evil" by their standards

Conservatives have always been the Roman Catholic Church.  Liberals are trying to up the ante and become the Spanish Inquisition.



you really truly believe this is actually what people are doing and you also really truly believe it's more horrible than the other things currently happening and that is why talking to you about this shit is an absolute waste of time
I don't think this is the only possible was to interpret her statement. Pointing out the problems in teeth's analogy does not lessen the horribleness in what the Trump election says about america.
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51%, final offer.
I think you can come up to 60%.

ETA: I might have missed some of your topics but the princess and magic fish lake were pretty spectacular fails. Sometimes you just have to suck it up an move on. :)
I'm not the one who hasn't moved on.
Lol. Touche'
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TVA was cool and good as was the CCC and WPA that brought large swathes of rural areas of this country into the 20th century. It wasn't liberals who, to this day, opposed these programs and any sort of modern equivalent.
TVA was the subject of one of the most influential studies in the sociology of institutions and organizations ever conducted. By a guy named Phillip Selznick. It found a remarkable mixed bag of issues that the project raised. Imo, the main thing his study uncovered was that pettiness and problem definition issues are in a long term feedback loop that are guaranteed to leave some people unhappy.
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I have also traditionally been a lot more sympathetic towards rural America until they collectively voted to hurt people I love.
That does make it tough. And Trump is affecting people in terrible ways across the board. There comes a point when burning it down and starting over can seem like the only path forward. That is a trip we would like to avoid though because that's also what Tim McVeigh thought.
The main problem with McVeigh is that he didn't target the right government building.
That is a truly disturbing sign of the times.
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Pingu  do you understand that there are probably ZERO extant Inuit populations  subsisting exclusively on traditional diets?  They were already becoming westernized in Price's day. Are the studies you cite later than Price? Did they find any groups subsisting exclusively on traditional diets?  I seriously doubt that they did. Do you know?  if they did not, then these studies are worthless for the purpose of what we are discussing.
Then there is not enough data to form any conclusions.
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CNDCs - both dental and systemic - are the result of a LACK of something ... not the result of a POISON (if you will) such as sugar or Wonder bread.  The problem is that if too high a % of your diet is Wonder bread then your appetite will be satiated BEFORE you have ingested sufficient body building materials to stay healthy and disease free.
[citation needed]
There's no "citation" available you moron. This is MY conclusion after studying the work of many researchers.
I think that the word hypothesis is more appropriate than conclusion for a scientific approach even though conclusion is right given yours.
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Mafia / Re: Omelas Mafia Sign-ups
In. Thanks raven!
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I'm still trying to understand how liberals are better at being shitheaded retards than conservatives are.
Heh. All things are possible in a post factual age.
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we might end up needing blanket amnesty and a truth and reconciliation commission, S. Africa style. Jesus christ.

What we need is a guillotine on the National Mall, French Revolution style.
That too.
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The rural poor benefit disporportionately from minimum wage increases, given cost of living considerations. And they do get food assistance. Lots of it. I don't get this crazy myth that urban blacks... erm, poor people generally, get secret magic benefits.
I had a cousin try to tell me he was denied medicaid because he was white.  I asked him if that's the actual reason they gave him.  he said no, of course they're not going to say that, but he could just tell.  he added that his Mexican friend Bob did get medicaid, despite having a higher salary.  before I could ask any more questions, his sister chimed in and pointed out that Bob lived in a different state, which had expanded medicaid, whereas my male cousin lived in one that didn't, and suggested that was the real reason.  (I don't know for a fact that it is, but he is in about the right income range for that to explain it.)  then male cousin goes on an all-caps rant calling his sister "A CONDESCENDING BITCH".  (we're not an italian family, so we don't say things like that to each other lightly.)  he went on for a while.  I think there was something in there about "obama's true agenda".

anyway, it sounds like Pandora buys into this kkk myth that white people can't get public assistance.
I didn't read that into her posts, but then, not being on Facebook, I haven't been triggered to look for that.
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I have also traditionally been a lot more sympathetic towards rural America until they collectively voted to hurt people I love.
That does make it tough. And Trump is affecting people in terrible ways across the board. There comes a point when burning it down and starting over can seem like the only path forward. That is a trip we would like to avoid though because that's also what Tim McVeigh thought.
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51%, final offer.

ETA: I might have missed some of your topics but the princess and magic fish lake were pretty spectacular fails. Sometimes you just have to suck it up an move on. :)
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we might end up needing blanket amnesty and a truth and reconciliation commission, S. Africa style. Jesus christ.
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That said, Pandora has been saying a lot more in this thread, than simply that the rural poor are human.

For fuck's sake, you guys have been condemning me for years now.  And 90% of the time, it's based on some twisted reframing of something I've said. 
I'm gonna suggest a number closer to 40.
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From my perspective,  she's engaged pretty honestly and modified her positions when she's discovered discrepancies.  That's actually more than I can say for lots of people. We arrive at our positions by assembling and synthesizing our experiences including the information we encounter along the way. When those positions don't change with further experiences it's a reasonable hypothesis that the individual that doesn't modify their position is stuck in an ideological bubble and is unlikely to be particularly useful in real world community problem solving.

Not pointing any fingers or expressing support for any position put forward here, but I'm not sure why the meme of Pandora being a bot or a horrible person is as quickly referenced as it is. Her past positions seem to be substantially modified to me.
TR needs someone to hate.
American need someone to hate.
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A lot of us disagree with Teeth, that the countryside should be emptied, and the poor made into soup--or whatever hyperbolic position he wants to take on a given day. Even if this thread has fallen more towards Teethism than most do.

That said, Pandora has been saying a lot more in this thread, than simply that the rural poor are human.
Well, she has been repeating conservative talking points which suggests a bit about where she is getting her news but she's also presenting her information, such as it is, and accepts factual arguments regarding that information. When you start out with magic fish lake and taking the princess's side, it's not hard to go up from there. But FWIW, she has a lot of opinions which I disagree with but she presents them as hers and subjects them to scrutiny. There's not a whole lot more than that I can think of considering it reasonable to ask of people. IMO, it's preferable to blanket condemnation followed by lol. People are a product of their environment. There is not much different between ideologues regardless of the differences in their respective ideologies. In the end, it's a call for a dictatorship with them as dictator which doesn't go very far with me. YMMV.

In a world as complex as ours, focusing on outcomes eventually requires dealing with those standing in the way of those outcomes. If we instead focus on processes of dialog, we will at least be able to have some feelings of goodwill as we slowly drown in our effluent and maybe stand a chance of addressing the issue. If we don't, we will drown that much quicker or else accept a police state and mass suffering and have bad feelings while we are sinking.
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From my perspective,  she's engaged pretty honestly and modified her positions when she's discovered discrepancies.  That's actually more than I can say for lots of people. We arrive at our positions by assembling and synthesizing our experiences including the information we encounter along the way. When those positions don't change with further experiences it's a reasonable hypothesis that the individual that doesn't modify their position is stuck in an ideological bubble and is unlikely to be particularly useful in real world community problem solving.

Not pointing any fingers or expressing support for any position put forward here, but I'm not sure why the meme of Pandora being a bot or a horrible person is as quickly referenced as it is. Her past positions seem to be substantially modified to me.
[citation needed]
Education is the one that stuck out to me when her position changed because I notice education but I'm pretty sure she has mentioned that her former obsession with the free rider problem in economics has given way to something more pragmatic. Also, it may be worth noting that she's catching flack for refusing to condemn an entire class of people. All she has done is expressed some compassion for the fact that people might have issues that don't conform to the sorts of solutions teeth can't even imagine aren't objective truths.

And that, I suggest, is a pretty dramatic change from the princess days. I could be wrong about her opinions, but I am also uncomfortable with the trend of blanket condemnation and implication that exclusion of large groups is good policy. As much as I disagree with everything the republican party stands for and the trump party even more, I can't support straight up writing people off. Fundy xians are waging a war. We can fight it as a war but if we're not looking for a political solution, then we're stuck with hate which engenders hate until we make authoritarian police state a necessity instead of just a fringe movement.

People have different values and that's a fact about the world. That fact won't change if we condemn those with different values without engaging them. In fact, it just makes it worse.
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And no one caring
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From my perspective,  she's engaged pretty honestly and modified her positions when she's discovered discrepancies.  That's actually more than I can say for lots of people. We arrive at our positions by assembling and synthesizing our experiences including the information we encounter along the way. When those positions don't change with further experiences it's a reasonable hypothesis that the individual that doesn't modify their position is stuck in an ideological bubble and is unlikely to be particularly useful in real world community problem solving.

Not pointing any fingers or expressing support for any position put forward here, but I'm not sure why the meme of Pandora being a bot or a horrible person is as quickly referenced as it is. Her past positions seem to be substantially modified to me.
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So, you are saying that you totally loved wonder woman and own the dvd?
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I don't even think there is anything wrong with wanting to live a simple, rural, old-fashioned lifestyle.  if you want to do that and it makes you happy, good for you.  but I find it enormously frustrating to watch people struggle financially because they insist on working in a dead industry in a dead town and refuse every option to get out of that dead end situation, because they are too scared to leave their comfort zone.
Or you know... their family and the friends they've known their entire life, their elderly parents who need help around the house, their church and their community, etc.

Yeah, just totally too scared.  Not even a remote possibility that there might be a wee bit more to it than your one-dimensional worldview allows for, hmm?
by "comfort zone" I'm not just talking about where you live, i also mean willingness to try other lines of work.  if your job ceases to exist, and you don't want to move, then the only reasonable option is to try a new line of work.  if you refuse to do that, and instead demand the government subsidize your old industry to maybe bring back your old job, you are being a gigantic baby.
And?
Oh. Is this the reference? I just meant, what's new? Everybody is always being a gigantic baby. That's not a news flash.