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Messages - Testy Calibrate

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You can't find a place to hide from the demons in your mind

yes, the 45% of America that voted for white supremacism is "demons of your mind" are you fucking kidding me.

go try opium again or something.

Well, good luck then.
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I just confirmed the request you already sent me
that makes it easy!
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You can't find a place to hide from the demons in your mind
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yeah I saw your announcement right around the same time as ours.  we're due in august.  you?

eta: crosspost, @ brg
I'm going onto facebook right now and sending you a friend request. How do I do that?
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The connection between people and land needs to be broken.
Hmm.
What we need is like a great leap forward or something.
We need a whole cultural revolution.
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wow, musta been a cold winter!
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I got a friend request from a Testy Calibrate, but something made me think it was a Bart sock, so I declined.  sorry if that was you
lol. It was probably me when the TR database broke from the TR facebook page.
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thanks!

I guess we're not fb friends, bc my fb friends already know
I have a facebook account, testy calibrate is my FB name, but I've only used it maybe a dozen times.
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The connection between people and land needs to be broken.
Hmm.
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I had thought, in the back of my mind, that being a father-to-be might turn me against abortion rights, but it hasn't changed my position. 
congratulations!
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I'd be surprised if most rural folk owned farms with expensive farming equipment. I have a lot of family who lives in the country, and none of them are farmers.
Uh, yeah. Most rural people live in basically trailers and work for shit wages because that's where they grew up and mobility is something you sorta have to be taught. Teeth is utterly in lala land here. People who own farms don't live in towns or even close to other people because they live on a goddamn farm. In a previous life, I traveled all over my state visiting small farms because I had a contract doing export marketing for an association. Teeth's misinformation provided by his stereotype is dramatic. What he sees as agriculture is the total worldview of the Monsanto slave.

so you're literally saying then that the majority of rural people sit on the government dole and vote against the government dole.

wow and I was being generous
You are hopeless.
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I agree that the shittiness of the situation is extraordinary. And that there is a war of cultures going on with serious ramifications for people's lives. And I'm aware which side I'm on. I would prefer people not having to die in a ditch if it's avoidable though. I don't think final solutions are possible. You might want to try squaring your emotional desire for a final solution involving killing a class of people with the reasons you are having that emotional reaction. Death is a weird thing to come to terms with and desensitization is an amazingly subtle and difficult process to both recognize and to come back from. It definitely doesn't help you have a healthy personal life.

It's a lot easier to be stoic and keep your head up above the clouds when you are not a vulnerable class. The last time we had a huge surge of white supremacist nationalism in the West, half of my father's family were murdered and the other half became stateless refugees. These are the stakes. This isn't "oh dearie me, gotta take the high road and not get desensitized to death because that would be horrible to my humanity." People are going to die. History tells us that the people who generally get decimated in situations like this are vulnerable minorities, and majority members who are upset about economic issues are the executioners. So.
I totally understand. And it has nothing to do with stoicism or ignoring the situation in any way whatsoever. The question of what is worth putting one's own and others' lives at stake is deeply personal. But, speaking as someone who has been in that situation, although under different circumstances, I feel pretty confident saying that talk is cheap and that emotion is a really bad guide in that situation. Hate pretty much sucks as a long term strategy. And hate is clearly driving a lot of the "Trump base". It takes a lot of effort not to respond to hate with hate but I do think it's worth it. That is not to say that violence is always wrong. Just that it is very bad strategy if it is not tactical. And dehumanizing those who we might need to engage with violence leads only to more of the same. People have reasons for their beliefs even if they are bad reasons and even if they hold their beliefs as truths till their knuckles turn white with the effort.

Revenge is not good strategy unless your strategy is based on domination and fear.
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I'd be surprised if most rural folk owned farms with expensive farming equipment. I have a lot of family who lives in the country, and none of them are farmers.
Uh, yeah. Most rural people live in basically trailers and work for shit wages because that's where they grew up and mobility is something you sorta have to be taught. Teeth is utterly in lala land here. People who own farms don't live in towns or even close to other people because they live on a goddamn farm. In a previous life, I traveled all over my state visiting small farms because I had a contract doing export marketing for an association. Teeth's misinformation provided by his stereotype is dramatic. What he sees as agriculture is the total worldview of the Monsanto slave.
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Oh, so some of your favorite bands have Jews in them so you can't be antisemitic, right? Classic antisemitic argument!
Phish or the Beatles? Because if the Beatles had Jews then damn straight.
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Bootstrapping sounds just as dumb when a liberal uses it.

It's not about "bootstrapping." These people largely have quite a bit of familial and disposable wealth that they sink into land and farming equipment. It's not "bootstrapping"....most of these farmers could easily sell their land and equipment, move that money into a mutual fund, and live modestly off interest for the rest of their lives. These people are not poor in the same sense that people living in urban poverty are poor. They're just dumb as shit about how they spend that money and they're dumb as shit for repeatedly rejecting any sort of lifestyle change that could improve their career options and for dismantling the infrastructure that would afford them greater choices.
Jesus christ. Your stereotype is just fucking ridiculous.
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No, I'm just pushing back against the dumb "well I am blameless because I don't feel like I'm to blame" bullshit, Testy. Again, I realize that you have a way of life you're entrenched in and you listen day in and day out to the arguments made by other people who are entrenched in that way of life and these arguments seem relatively sound to you.
Not sure where you get the idea that I think I'm blameless, whatever it is you mean by it.

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I also don't think you appreciate how very real and immediate these concerns are for some people. Trump winning the election wasn't "oh dearie me, my team lost." It very literally means that my home country is not an option for me in terms of seeking job positions for the next four years, if not more, because the immigration system is being dismantled and my partner is not American. It also means that my status in my current country of residence could be under attack if Trump decides to get into a trade war with Canada. It means my ability to visit my partner's family could be disrupted by the fact that the current state department has refused to address visa issuance conflicts between the US and EU. It means that my ability to, along with my partner, seek work in Europe may be damaged if the US continues to pull this sort of dumb shit. It means that family members and close friends of mine who have more complex status issues are at very serious risk of being deported or otherwise harmed by US immigration.
Well, there's probably stuff you don't know about me. But yeah, I understand what you mean about it being personal. I personally am basically a white educated male living in milquetoast land around a bunch of fairly liberal and progressive people and I am quite aware of the privilege that affords me. However, I am also keenly aware of limitations that policy priorities can place on people that exacerbate problems rather than ease them.

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So yeah I am very very fucking pissed off. And yes, I am taking this as an act of fucking war by a bunch of white supremacist shitheads who have decided that fucking with borders is the best way to hurt people like me. I have no fucking sympathy. If you can't find a job in your town of 350, then fucking move. It's not hard. If you're addicted to fucking oxy, then fucking sack up and stop taking it. Not so fucking hard. Get a fucking education. Learn new career skills. Engage in some self-fucking-betterment.

So yeah, I have no fucking sympathy for any of these fuckers. They can all fucking die in a ditch for all I care. This is fucking personal.

I agree that the shittiness of the situation is extraordinary. And that there is a war of cultures going on with serious ramifications for people's lives. And I'm aware which side I'm on. I would prefer people not having to die in a ditch if it's avoidable though. I don't think final solutions are possible. You might want to try squaring your emotional desire for a final solution involving killing a class of people with the reasons you are having that emotional reaction. Death is a weird thing to come to terms with and desensitization is an amazingly subtle and difficult process to both recognize and to come back from. It definitely doesn't help you have a healthy personal life.

Just saying.
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I went to look for happiness is a warm gun on youtube -of which the beatles version is not there- and found this which is goddamn amazing even though it starts with while my guitar gently weeps and then goes into Happiness. I sometimes really love phish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lbTvrlVlr8
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That is really not that funny, Dave. Why do you have this pathological need to be such an asshole?

Why are you so committed to avoiding honest dialog?
I chuckled.
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I know​. Right?
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"global jewry"
for the alt-right, it is definitely a dog whistle about The Jews (cue ominous music)

but for a larger group of people, I think "Elite" cartoon-think is more vague and less insidious than that.  my issue with this usage is just that it's a simplistic and overly dramatic distortion of reality.

But if pushed, they'd probably admit they picture these "Elites" living in NYC and having Ashkenazi names
your world is pretty warped.

No, I've just pushed people more than you have on this.
That's quite likely. I don't think it's ever once occurred to me to ask anyone what they thought of jews. I don't even really think of it as a distinct group. The friends i have who are Jewish don't really seem any different from me in any way I can distinguish. Although, one of my good friends from childhood, who I still see occasionally, has multiple minor but permanent disfigurations from playing with me as kids so maybe there's some subconscious thing there.

"Hi I'm testy and my worldview can't possibly be aiding and abetting entrenched systems of hatred because I barely notice race. look how colorblind I am"
Teeth, you are off the deep end.
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"hey guys, I know let's put highly-skilled people into career paths where they're likely to meet and fall in love with foreigners, so their foreign partners will compete with Americans for highly-skilled positions and decrease the cost of labor! It's brilliant! No one will figure it out!"

"hey guys, I know what else we can do to drive down labor costs! Let's increase our CO2 emissions to drive climatic instability in Syria to threaten food security in that country, helping right-wing militias gain a foothold and producing millions of refugees, who will then flee to stable countries in the west and drive down labor costs."

You're a fucking idiot, Ksen.
Your filters make crazy.

Nah. I'm sane as fuck. Just disagrees with your very bubbled worldview.
I can't tell you how often I say a little thank you prayer for my bubble.
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I guess for some people it really feels good. I take an oxycodone and my stomach declares war on the brain that thought it was a good idea to take it. Even with broken ribs or whatever.
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The real question is who cares about Omaha?
I cared when their Mutual sponsored Wild Kingdom.

That show owned
Rip Lorne Green.
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"hey guys, I know let's put highly-skilled people into career paths where they're likely to meet and fall in love with foreigners, so their foreign partners will compete with Americans for highly-skilled positions and decrease the cost of labor! It's brilliant! No one will figure it out!"

"hey guys, I know what else we can do to drive down labor costs! Let's increase our CO2 emissions to drive climatic instability in Syria to threaten food security in that country, helping right-wing militias gain a foothold and producing millions of refugees, who will then flee to stable countries in the west and drive down labor costs."

You're a fucking idiot, Ksen.
Your filters make crazy.
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well for one, cross-border migration of people (both skilled and unskilled) is not some sort of plot by the rich to suppress the cost of labor.
I'm pretty sure this is a mixed bag and in this case is nearly meaningless. When minimum wages are guaranteed, this is accurate. When it isn't, economics famously doesn't need to be a plot in order to have an effect. See Smith, invisible hand, and Marx, concentration of capital.