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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38300
Okay I have a question for Medicine Woman Borealis... my son was showing me a new knife he had made by a local blacksmith and it's super hard steel and super sharp and he cut himself pretty deep trying to put it back in the sheath. So he's headed to the ER for stitches. He will probably get slapped with a fairly sizable medical bill for the deductible. So naturally I'm thinking alternative medicine. Do you have anything natural that could be injected as a deadening agent so that a person could do some do it yourself stitches?


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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38301
Not for a deep knife wound requiring stitches in a country where he can get a much more effective anaesthetic, Dave. :)

There are several herbs I would try if there was no choice, but 1) they aren't very effective, he'd still feel it, and 2) there's no telling whether he'd be allergic to them, as they are herbs that tend to be irritants also.

That kind of deep gash can take time to heal and is more susceptible to infection for a bunch of physical reasons. It needs to be cleaned very thoroughly and a doctor will do that.

I can suggest plantain leaf to help with healing more superficial cuts and scrapes. This plant:



It's very common, easy to recognise, but be sure of your identification.. A piece of clean leaf, bruised, tied around the cut, is supposed to speed healing. My dad used it often. But really, once the wound's begun to close, letting air get at it/keeping it clean and dry is all you need.

But since he's going to a doctor anyway, use the medical system's protocol. It is much more predictable.


Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38302
Okay I have a question for Medicine Woman Borealis... my son was showing me a new knife he had made by a local blacksmith and it's super hard steel and super sharp and he cut himself pretty deep trying to put it back in the sheath. So he's headed to the ER for stitches. He will probably get slapped with a fairly sizable medical bill for the deductible. So naturally I'm thinking alternative medicine. Do you have anything natural that could be injected as a deadening agent so that a person could do some do it yourself stitches?



Poppies and Coca plants.

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38303
I have all the painkillers and fever reducers, remember?

Also got some stuff to help Lugubert's tummy feel a bit soothed after he sneaks some butter.

Oh and some stuff to help with the runs should that be needed.
yes and if we ever get past the spreadsheet stage and actually get some software that simulates this thing, we will be able to see what value your tribe (and my tribe) places on your services.
I thought it was you that was going to create this amazing bit of software. What's all this about "we"? Why aren't you busy creating the software you want, you were so confident about it just a while ago?
Are we there yet?

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38304
Dave's idea of computer spreadsheet "simulation" "modelling" is this:

1. Insert Dave's precious assumptions.
2. Move some numbers about to entertain masturbatory fantasy it is doing something.
3. Extract Dave's original assumptions.
4. Cry vehement vindication over the out-of-touch octohatters and manipulative bitches.
5. Profit?

We've seen it before.

  • Faid
Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38305
Okay I have a question for Medicine Woman Borealis... my son was showing me a new knife he had made by a local blacksmith and it's super hard steel and super sharp and he cut himself pretty deep trying to put it back in the sheath. So he's headed to the ER for stitches. He will probably get slapped with a fairly sizable medical bill for the deductible. So naturally I'm thinking alternative medicine. Do you have anything natural that could be injected as a deadening agent so that a person could do some do it yourself stitches?


Take a large dose of valeriana.

Fall asleep.

Wake up when your son is back after having received proper treatment (without you trying to get him to "do it himself").

He gets treated, you get to opine in hindsight about how you could do it yourself if those pesky octohatters had let you.

Everyone wins.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

  • borealis
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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38306
Valerian might be a good choice for Dave anyway. He gets pretty agitated sometimes.  :unsure:

  • Martin.au
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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38307
People have been drinking all kinds of milk from various different milk producing animals for thousands of years all over the world and these Schmucks with fancy science degrees want to say that we can't do that anymore.

THAT'S

"Lol"

No science (or other) degree is needed for me to realize that ingesting too much lactose containing products is very bad for me.

I have two close East Asian friends. They are even more careful than me in avoiding milk products.

You are to a comical degree exaggerating human use of animal milk.

Ditto. I have a several friends who are lactose intolerant. It's not particularly uncommon. It is funny watching Dave's fantasies intersect reality.
"That which can be asserted with evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." (Dave Hawkins)

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38308
Okay I have a question for Medicine Woman Borealis... my son was showing me a new knife he had made by a local blacksmith and it's super hard steel and super sharp and he cut himself pretty deep trying to put it back in the sheath. So he's headed to the ER for stitches. He will probably get slapped with a fairly sizable medical bill for the deductible. So naturally I'm thinking alternative medicine. Do you have anything natural that could be injected as a deadening agent so that a person could do some do it yourself stitches?
Thank goodness he has insurance. I seem to remember your speaking out against it.
I really should call your department head and tell him or her how badly you are behaving while posing as a credentialed professional scientist.

  • borealis
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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38309
'Murikka. I get cut, I go up to the local clinic, show my health card, pretty soon someone comes and deals with it. There is no charge. I've already paid my share of taxes.

And in most individual cases, Canadians do not pay higher taxes than most Americans. The comparisons are complex, in part because some states don't collect any income tax,

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0411/do-canadians-really-pay-more-taxes-than-americans.aspx

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38310
'Murikka. I get cut, I go up to the local clinic, show my health card, pretty soon someone comes and deals with it. There is no charge. I've already paid my share of taxes.

And in most individual cases, Canadians do not pay higher taxes than most Americans. The comparisons are complex, in part because some states don't collect any income tax,

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0411/do-canadians-really-pay-more-taxes-than-americans.aspx
Thank goodness for 'socialism'. I have no idea why American Republicans are so absolutely against that, or any other system of universal healthcare or insurance?
  • Last Edit: May 10, 2018, 07:15:08 AM by Zombies!
I really should call your department head and tell him or her how badly you are behaving while posing as a credentialed professional scientist.

Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38311
Lol

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38312
I really should call your department head and tell him or her how badly you are behaving while posing as a credentialed professional scientist.

  • Peez
Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38313
Lol
Wut??
He posted that he does not want that kind of health care system but he has no idea why so he will just "lol" and pretend that the reasons are obvious.

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38314
Lol
Wut??
He posted that he does not want that kind of health care system but he has no idea why so he will just "lol" and pretend that the reasons are obvious.
Trump said it, I believe it, that settles it.
Must be awesome to contract out thinking to other people.
I really should call your department head and tell him or her how badly you are behaving while posing as a credentialed professional scientist.

  • borealis
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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38315
"Lol."

It's just one of Dave's euphemisms for 'I don't understand'.

Also single payer health care is un-American.

Also Canadians die waiting for simple treatments.

Also wharrgrrbble.

Like the last thing I worry about when I need health care is money. I've had six visits to a specialist and two minor surgeries in the past six months. The surgeries, which were not urgent and quite common, were scheduled within four weeks of seeing the specialist who ordered them. This is normal. The horror stories Americans are told are not normal. The occasional horror story does happen. Just like in Amerikka. Or everywhere.

  • Faid
Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38316
So dave, did your son get treated, or did you convince him to go all Rambo First Blood on that wound?
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38317
So dave, did your son get treated, or did you convince him to go all Rambo First Blood on that wound?
Fill the wound with unpasteurized milk and let the cat lick it?
I really should call your department head and tell him or her how badly you are behaving while posing as a credentialed professional scientist.

  • fredbear
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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38318
Funny that Amerikkka has the highest cost heatlth care in the world, and the difference between the Canadian and American cost is approximately the profits enjoyed by the American insurance companies, whose sole purpose is to be an obstacle to health care..

Dave supports a system which hurts ordinary people to profit large insurance companies,. lol indeed.
"...without considering any evidence at all - that my views are more likely - on average - to be correct.  Because the mainstream is almost always wrong" - Dave Hawkins

Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38319
You don't need anesthetic to have stitches. When I was a butcher I remember a guy named bill who would stitch his own cuts because he didn't want to lose the hours it took to go to the little clinic just 5 miles down the road where everyone else went to get them. He was an odd dude but not crazy. It just isn't that bad. He was definitely the only one who did it, but it was only weird because everyone else enjoyed the break. Unpaid or not.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38320
You don't need anesthetic to have stitches. When I was a butcher I remember a guy named bill who would stitch his own cuts because he didn't want to lose the hours it took to go to the little clinic just 5 miles down the road where everyone else went to get them. He was an odd dude but not crazy. It just isn't that bad. He was definitely the only one who did it, but it was only weird because everyone else enjoyed the break. Unpaid or not.
I stitched my own knee in my third year of med school. Just two small stitches with a silk suture. It hurt a lot, and I found the needle hurt way more coming out than going in- I had to stop mid-stitch a few times. I later realized that the reason it was so hard was because you had to fight your own instinct to flinch at the pain, and that made your hand stop and/or jerk back, prolonging and worsening the pinch.
Or maybe I was just a widdle crybaby, I dunno. I certainly never tried it again since.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38321
Lol
Quote from: Dave Hawkins
Why do you waste the bandwidth to basically say "nuh uh"? Why don't you just use this post to explain yourself?

Is it the stupid or the asshole that makes you post like this Dave?
"...without considering any evidence at all - that my views are more likely - on average - to be correct.  Because the mainstream is almost always wrong" - Dave Hawkins

Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38322
I watched bill do it at least 3 times. Mind over matter I guess. I certainly didn't do it. I like anesthetic for stitches. One thing about being a butcher is that you get a lot of experience getting stiches.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38323
I should point out that he did get a real kit. Curved needles, sterile thread, etc. Another thing about being a butcher is that you get fine tuned to sterile procedures involving cuts.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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Re: Economics of "Saving Agriculture" (Thereby Saving the World)
Reply #38324
I was wondering about that.
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