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has the most powerful person in the world ever been a woman before?
I'm not sure that it hasn't happened before, but I want to come up with and discuss possible examples.  I am assuming the most powerful person in the world is going to be the executive or autocrat of a/the hegemonic power of the time.  mostly, these are queens/empresses regent/regnant.

the best candidates I can come up with are:

1-4) Sobekneferu, hatshepsut, nefertiti, and twosret all of egypt
5-8) empress regents Lü Zhi, wei, Xiao Yanyan, Cixi
9) empress regnant wu zetian
10-13) any of the four empress regnants of the Roman and byzantine empires
14) Catherine the great of russia
15-16) Isabella I and Joanna of Spain
17-19) Jane grey, Mary I, Elizabeth I of England
20) Mary II of England & Scotland
21) Anne of GB
22) queen Victoria of UK
23-24) queens regent of france, marie de' medici and Anne "of austria"

list of queens regnant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_queens_regnant

for 1-9, I don't know whether each relevant polity was a superpower at the time of the rule.  the early Egyptians had sumerian, akkadian, and hittite rivals, and internal division at various times.  no sense of what was going on in China and when.  any of these could be valid examples, as far as I know

for 10, the one possible Roman empress regnant is poorly attested and didn't rule for long, if she ever did.  for 11-13, I don't know whether the byzantine empire was more powerful than the caliphate or ottomans at the relevant times.

for 14, don't think russia was a superpower at the time.

15 had to share power with her husband.  16 sounds like she never had much/any power, in practice, because she was declared crazy and locked up when her husband died.

for 17-19, england wasn't a superpower yet (?).  although 19 was very powerful within the country.

for 20-21, i don't know how powerful britain was at the time, or how powerful the monarch was within the country.  for 22, the UK was definitely the superpower at the time, but my sense is that by that point the monarch ' s position was almost as weak as it is now.

for 23-24, france was at or near the peak of its power, so these are possibly good candidates.

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Re: has the most powerful person in the world ever been a woman before?
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Do you mean "has a woman ever been the most powerful person in the world?"

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Pingu gets the Chopping Large Lagomorphs in Half Award of the Week. :cheer:
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no, I really am wondering whether obama has had a sex reassignment procedure or previously identified as a woman

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Imagine if Trump won and then went trans. :popcorn:
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Imagine if Trump won and then went trans. :popcorn:
If he then went full trans, surgery and all, he could grab his own pussy any time he liked and nobody would care.
Are we there yet?

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22) queen Victoria of UK

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for 20-21, i don't know how powerful britain was at the time, or how powerful the monarch was within the country.  for 22, the UK was definitely the superpower at the time, but my sense is that by that point the monarch ' s position was almost as weak as it is now.

That's the impression I get having read up a little on her and the monarchy recently. Prompted by PBS filling Downton Abbey's shoes with a new fictionalized drama about her to be aired in January.

Plus, Jenna Coleman is a little hottie.

"You know what uranium is, right? It's this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that."

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Don't worry, Give her enough time and I'm sure she'll turn into a wonderful Queen Victoria. :grin:
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You could argue that Angela Merkel is pretty well positioned in the powerful catagory seeing as the EU is more beholden to Germany than any other country at the moment.

Margaret Thatcher gets a good mention, but Britain was not the superpower it once was in her time; although she showed the Aregentines a thing or two.

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The most powerful person in the world has always been a woman.

"The man is the head of the household.  But the woman is the neck.  And she can turn the head wherever she wants it to go."
- My Big, Fat, Greek Wedding

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ah, but what about when the most powerful man in the world is gay?

e.g., Alexander the great, Hadrian, Michael Jackson

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Everybody knows all gay guys had overbearing mothers so a woman is still in control.

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1-4) Sobekneferu, hatshepsut, nefertiti, and twosret all of egypt
5-8) empress regents Lü Zhi, wei, Xiao Yanyan, Cixi
9) empress regnant wu zetian
10-13) any of the four empress regnants of the Roman and byzantine empires
14) Catherine the great of russia
15-16) Isabella I and Joanna of Spain
17-19) Jane grey, Mary I, Elizabeth I of England
20) Mary II of England & Scotland
21) Anne of GB
22) queen Victoria of UK
23-24) queens regent of france, marie de' medici and Anne "of austria"

Töregene of the Mongol Empire is probably another candidate.

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Cleopatra?

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she wasn't that powerful.  puppet monarch of a client state.

unless you're going to argue she had Caesar and Antony wrapped around her little finger

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All those named above; STILL more powerful than Clinton. 

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Actually she was arguably more powerful than any of them as Secretary of state of the nation with the most powerful military of all time