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Re: Lake Kalksjon is No Help for Old Earthers
Reply #475
Bluffy really needs to read the actual papers from the various flume experiments. Actually read them, not scan, not Hawkinz. Read them for comprehension.

And then quote and cite and link to those items in those papers that he believes apply to Kalksjon.

As it is, he's invoking the mystical, magical "well, we can't know everything so we really can't know anything so it really could be this or that or something else" argument. One of the lamest there is. As Pingu and others have repeatedly requested, he needs to put forth a possibility he believes is a good one. And support it. Not just say, "It could be this, we don't know because the researchers investigating Kalksjon haven't considered this and definitively ruled it out." No, Bluffy has to put forth a plausible hypothesis and then test it. And present it for criticism. And then publish it. Or find someone who has and their documentation.

I mean, really, the various researchers at Kalksjon and other nearby lakes haven't considered the possibility of Inner Earth Mole Men. Nor the effects of Venusian laser experiments (prior to their realizing Earth was inhabited). Nor of the influence of Thor and his hammer, Mjolnir. There's also the possible effects of the Russian Kola borehole not all that far away, perhaps it's releasing pent up magnetic and other forces unknown? After all, even as great a physicist as Feynman doesn't know how it works.

I'd also point out, in addition to the consistent nature of the varves at Kalksjon throughout the entire column, and the consilience with radiocarbon dating, and with paleomagnetism and with ice cores, all of which is also found in other nearby lakes, there's also the agreement with climactic data regarding abrupt changes as revealed by pollen sampling. Those samples are found at the right depth, in the right layers in consilience with evidence from other sites and methodologies. And in the nearby lakes, tephra samples line up with known volcanic events.

This was the wrong subject for Bluffy to tackle. Not only hadn't he read the documents he based his claims on, indeed couldn't have, but the evidence is overwhelming and consilient. Which is not just a "magic word" one invokes to make it all good. To be consilient, the evidence has to be consilient, it has to agree. Which, first of all, one has to have some evidence, from at least two independent sources. Bluffy's basic source, after you get past all the bullshit, is a Bronze Age Myth.
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Re: Lake Kalksjon is No Help for Old Earthers
Reply #476
Incidentally, Dave, you entitled this thread "Lake Kalskjon is No Help for Old Earthers".

And shoo'ed us off with a link to Oard in your OP.

You might want to rethink both title and OP.

Perhaps your title should be:

Lake Kalksjon is evidence that the last Ice Age ended at least 9,000 ago.

And your OP should be:

Quote from: Dave in a parallel universe
I wonder if there is anything in Oard's article, part of which is available at the link below, to help resolve this for those of us who believe that the last Age ended less than 4,000 years ago.



The thread title is pure bluff. But Dave has stated repeatedly that he never bluffs. Oh, however can we resolve this paradox?
Lol. He titles our dendrochronology debate "dendrochronology, circular reasoning or valid science?"

One thing a I Dave is that, despite the fact that he doesn't know jack about shit, he does recognize that the narrative is against him.
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Re: Lake Kalksjon is No Help for Old Earthers
Reply #477
There's actually an easy get-out for him here.  He could just move his Ice Age date back by 6,000 years.  "Billions of dead things" and "lotsa flood myths" still works.

I suspect he knows that this would be the first tremors of catastrophe, though.


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Re: Lake Kalksjon is No Help for Old Earthers
Reply #478
There's actually an easy get-out for him here.  He could just move his Ice Age date back by 6,000 years.  "Billions of dead things" and "lotsa flood myths" still works.

I suspect he knows that this would be the first tremors of catastrophe, though.
Only easy if he then ignores all the other evidence about the last ice age. Plenty of which can be found near Kalksjon. Not to mention loads and loads of other places.

First tremors, yep. It could all come crashing down.
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Re: Lake Kalksjon is No Help for Old Earthers
Reply #479
Here you go, Dave.  This is what your alternative mechanism has to account for.  Note that NO MATTER how many couplets are laid in any one year, they are all the same thickness and composition.

Go for it.

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Yeahhh ....  Noooo ....

this is ONLY for Lake Kalkson.  All other lake varve sequences that cross-over between "modern" and "pre-fludde" times will have a different per-year deposition rate (rythmite rate?).

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shhh....

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shhh....
There's no "threat" here.  Dave cannot fathom the cause/effect anyway since he just bandies off to R.H.Brown corrections or "the elephant in the room" rationalizations for the flood.  There has been ample amount of discrediting R.H.Brown, and Hydropants Theory, and every other item from Whitcomb/Morris to Woodmoorappe to settle the supposed objections to the mainstream view; except Dave has and continues to ignore them and still uses all this "aresenal" of creationist blather to support his view.  Even IF Dave admits that some present objection has some type of merit that Dave proposes to investigate further, all OTHER objections have defaulted to the original creationist view automatically.

The Demon is so strong with Dave that stopping it is almost no longer an option.

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There's actually an easy get-out for him here.  He could just move his Ice Age date back by 6,000 years.  "Billions of dead things" and "lotsa flood myths" still works.

I suspect he knows that this would be the first tremors of catastrophe, though.
Yeah, it is strange that he seems so wedded to the Ussher chronology when it's so irrelevant to the core of Christian belief. But he unrelentingly resists even questioning it, as if to do so would bring the whole thing crashing down. It's been said before, but I've never seen anyone with such a strong Morton's demon. To have a worldview so fragile, and know on some level how fragile it is, and yet hang on to it so tightly for so long requires unfathomable amounts of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. In a way, it's actually an amazing accomplishment, though I wouldn't be proud of it.

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Come back, Badgerin' Dave!
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Dave?  I hate you badgered from this thread.  When can people expect a substance filled post about the subject that so many people think you ran away from?? :wave:
You may hear people saying how fast they can make compost -- some say only a few weeks. Stay away from these people as they don't know what they're talking about. --Humanure handbook

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He's like trump. The headline is all he's after.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

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BTT for Dave!
Guys.  TRUTH MATTERS.   Absolute.  Fucking.  Truth.    Not 90% truth and 10% lie.  Not 95 and 15.  Not 99 and 1.  100% truth. Needs to be our goal.   Without that as our goal, society will crumble.

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Bump
Guys.  TRUTH MATTERS.   Absolute.  Fucking.  Truth.    Not 90% truth and 10% lie.  Not 95 and 15.  Not 99 and 1.  100% truth. Needs to be our goal.   Without that as our goal, society will crumble.

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Why put the bunnies with the goats?  Because that's  closer to how they are in nature.

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Dave bump!
Guys.  TRUTH MATTERS.   Absolute.  Fucking.  Truth.    Not 90% truth and 10% lie.  Not 95 and 15.  Not 99 and 1.  100% truth. Needs to be our goal.   Without that as our goal, society will crumble.

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Morning Dave!
Guys.  TRUTH MATTERS.   Absolute.  Fucking.  Truth.    Not 90% truth and 10% lie.  Not 95 and 15.  Not 99 and 1.  100% truth. Needs to be our goal.   Without that as our goal, society will crumble.