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Messages - Dave Hawkins

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What Dave is really asking, of course, is why we (or some of us) do not regard unborn fetuses as babies in the legal sense of being a person.

It's a decent question, given that we do in fact refer to "unborn babies" in many contexts, including when we are pregnant.

I'm happy to give my answer to that question.


OK I'm listening.
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I think it's worth noting that I worked for a company with whom I signed a extraordinarily thorough NDA.
The money was quite nice, but I had concerns with, er, environmental things, so I changed fields.  I t took quite some time to get my salary back to what I earned years ago, but it's worth it when my granddaughter asks me what I do, and I don't reflexively answer with "on counsel's advice, I invoke my rights under the fifth amendment of the US Constitution..."
Admirable.

My approach will be to get my own personal housing / food / energy transitioned to a higher degree of sustainability ... then phase out my Sears job gradually.   I'm also trying to influence my boss to give us smaller geographical areas so we are not spending so much money on gas driving all over creation.
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If they are not, then please explain to me at what point they BECOME babies ... when they exit the birth canal? When the cord is cut?  How about preemies? Are THEY fetuses? Not babies?
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To my way of thinking, I will be in a much better position to have the "I'm quitting my Sears job" conversation with my ex-wife when my sustainable house and sustainable farm are fully functional.   it sounds fine and dandy to say "I'm quitting" and I have acquaintances who have done that  sort of thing  out of protest and such, but it doesn't appear to me to be very effective long-term strategy unless you've got something viable to replace the job you're quitting.
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Lol

EDIT: Actually that's a pretty weird comparison. I've never even heard of anyone "raping" a baby.  Aborting, yes. But never raping.
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Yes it's easy money.  But hold on ... If I quit, won't somebody else just take my job?   They will.  Sears is not going to say "oh crap, Dave Hawkins quit and he quit because he doesn't want to emit carbon, so maybe we should just leave his position unfilled so that we as a company will emit less carbon."  Sears is not going to say that.  No... Instead, they will just hire someone else. And they will try to hire someone better than me if they can. That will be difficult, but it could happen. :-)
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"What is it that you do Dave, and how does it saving the world?  I understand you spend hours driving yourself around, by yourself?"

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is an honest question so I will answer it. I am impressed with your personal lifestyle and with your work which involves recycling metals. That's laudable.

As for what I'm doing, one way to look at it is that I'm doing two things... (1)  working an unsustainable town job to finance the unsustainable lifestyle of my ex-wife and kids, and the unsustainable parts of my own lifestyle which include things at present like buying boxed cereal which is the product of destructive tillage and annual monocropping  (2)  gradually transitioning myself away from the unsustainable parts of my own lifestyle in such a way that  these practices can be easily and inexpensively duplicated by others.
You should change jobs. Is the job easy money?  Because that's no excuse to emit carbon.
I'm not saying you're evil, I just think that you are focused on profits and you don't realize that you are destroying the environment
Haha ...  good come back.
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So your answer to that is "yes, because conspiracy theory".
well I guess you could call the practice of mega corporations and other large operators of purchasing land which is not degrading and converting it to tillage system as "conspiracy" if you like.  I personally don't think these CEOs sit around scheming about how to destroy land. I just think that they are focused on profits and they don't realize that they are destroying land.  They think that they are "feeding the world." Which they are in the short-term. But not in the long term.
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"What is it that you do Dave, and how does it saving the world?  I understand you spend hours driving yourself around, by yourself?"

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is an honest question so I will answer it. I am impressed with your personal lifestyle and with your work which involves recycling metals. That's laudable.

As for what I'm doing, one way to look at it is that I'm doing two things... (1)  working an unsustainable town job to finance the unsustainable lifestyle of my ex-wife and kids, and the unsustainable parts of my own lifestyle which include things at present like buying boxed cereal which is the product of destructive tillage and annual monocropping  (2)  gradually transitioning myself away from the unsustainable parts of my own lifestyle in such a way that  these practices can be easily and inexpensively duplicated by others. 
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So basically what you are saying in your last couple of posts, Dave, is: "I am already pretty much convinced that artificial meat-growing is going to be detrimental to the environment despite knowing absolutely no facts about it. I also already know that any analysis of artificial meat-growing is going to be misleading, despite the fact that it has not even happened yet."

...but *everyone else* is biased.
It's an educated guess based on past history of how greedy corporations operate
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Of course we could always do "fake analysis" to "prove" that fake meat improves ecosystems ...
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I wonder what the ecological impact of this "fake meat" is ...

"Real meat" raised correctly IMPROVES ecosystems. (And methane is not a problem)

My guess is that fake meat degrades them
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Fake news ... fake meat ... fake milk ... what next?
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Dave, you could address the C14 data and how it falsifies YEC, instead of running away like a chicken shit numpty.
You mean a topic you can pretend to know something about? Since you don't know anything about this topic? ( and it's tough pretending because I DO know something about this topic )
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 I guess if you can't be interesting, you could try being funny.
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Not interesting.  But I have faith in you! You can do it!
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I'm just hoping that you boys will contribute something interesting at some point.
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Here's my 10 acre parcel ...



Are you allowed to use the house at all?
No.  I just burn all this firewood that I've been telling borealis about just for the fun of it.

Jesus Christ what an idiot.
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Here's my 10 acre parcel ...



Looks to me like there is plenty of room for two homesteads in the band of trees. One on the south which is the one for which I'm getting the approval now. But I think you could put a second one north of that.  you could assign the pasture to the east of the tree band to the North Homestead and the pasture to the west of the tree band to the South Homestead.

Seems like you might be able to add a second tree band on one of the north south terraces west of the existing tree band. If so, conceivably you could add two more homesteads.

 The driveway you see pictured is a grass driveway and the easternmost part of it after the big curve is fine but the western part of it runs through a low area and is a bit muddy when it rains hard.  so the main entrance permitted by the county will come in from the East West Road on the north property line right where the big curve is.

An obvious location for a common area would be right at the new proposed driveway entrance.  although milk sales will probably occur out of a small shed situated on the north west corner of the property.  I could see a common area going there as well.

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Already way ahead of you bro. I have that spreadsheet in my head but there's no point in publishing it to this crowd. And also it will change.  The way I'm building this thing is similar to the way you imagine that life evolved.

Hahaha - because life evolved in squares and rectangles.

No ... triangles.


Nevertheless, for the umpteenth time, Dave. why can't you visualise a community layout not based on rectangles or triangles? Both shapes have their uses, but they are not organic at all, especially when deciding where people live. Consider that most rural communities grow organically, often around or along a feature of terrain, such as a watercourse or shoreline, or in relation to important features within the community, such as a church or other community centre.
The triangles was a joke because of my little A-frames.

I DO visualize very curvy subdivisions but I'm not going to go to the trouble of drawing them that way just for the purpose of studying the transport issue which is what Pingu is all hot and bothered about.

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Dave, it isn't just about 'curvy', the shape of your community and how you lay it out affects the transportation issue. Even within straight lines. For example, longer truncated triangle shaped lots converging on a shorter piece of road, each pair of lots can also share a single driveway, saving an entire lost piece of land.  You've saved land through having half the number of driveways, and through needing way less road frontage, therefore shorter lengths of road.
[/quote] yes I'm sure you are correct and you can get really fancy with design. But where I'm at now is putting one foot in front of the other  while trying to avoid  taking any steps backwards.  The next logical step for me is having the dairy cow and making sure that works well and launching this little co-op.  also I need to actually build this house that is finally moving forward with the graywater system and the permitting process.  as soon as the dust settles from all that and the county officials realize that I am not a batshit insane lunatic from a different planet, then I can nudge them a little bit more to perhaps allow me build a second house... At which point I will voilĂ ! have the beginnings of a little subdivision.
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 my first subdivision will probably be situated with the housing right next to a run off ditch like mine, because here in Missouri that's where you can always find trees, plus kids love to play in run off ditches which they call "creeks."
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Already way ahead of you bro. I have that spreadsheet in my head but there's no point in publishing it to this crowd. And also it will change.  The way I'm building this thing is similar to the way you imagine that life evolved.

Hahaha - because life evolved in squares and rectangles.

No ... triangles.


Nevertheless, for the umpteenth time, Dave. why can't you visualise a community layout not based on rectangles or triangles? Both shapes have their uses, but they are not organic at all, especially when deciding where people live. Consider that most rural communities grow organically, often around or along a feature of terrain, such as a watercourse or shoreline, or in relation to important features within the community, such as a church or other community centre.
[/quote]The triangles was a joke because of my little A-frames.

 I DO visualize very curvy subdivisions but I'm not going to go to the trouble of drawing them that way just for the purpose of studying the transport issue which is what Pingu is all hot and bothered about.
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Or get a smaller stove.

We have a tiny one in our boat.
Glass front?
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Already way ahead of you bro. I have that spreadsheet in my head but there's no point in publishing it to this crowd. And also it will change.  The way I'm building this thing is similar to the way you imagine that life evolved.

Hahaha - because life evolved in squares and rectangles.

[/quote]No ... triangles.