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So nothing about high intakes of trans fats?
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"20 to 1"

We've had this discussion before. I'm talking about the omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acid ratio.
And how does this ratio affect the problems arising from a high intake of trans fats?
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"No, that's not always the problem. Sometime it's not a question of a "LACK" of something, but of too much of something, and the imbalances it creates in the body."

And why should I believe you? Have you done exhaustive nutrition research too? Like Price has done?
Oh brother.

Dave, what kind of "extensive research" did Price do on, say, the pathophysiological causes of diabetes?

Because medical science in general HAS done extensive research on that, and many types of illness besides.
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I say this primarily because she seems to believe that the reported coronary problems among the Inuit that she has read about IS CAUSED BY their diet which is high in animal fats.  Which seems to align with Keys' view.
As far as the animal fats part is concerned, yes. That doesn't mean that excessive carbohydrate intake is recommended. That is ALSO the cause for illness. This is not an either/or thing, dave.
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I - on the other hand - believe that any coronary problems among the Inuit would have been caused by WESTERNIZED DIETS.
And you don't think that a high fat content is related to a "WESTERNIZED DIET"?
A fatty acid ratio of 10 to 1 or 20 to 1 is certainly a bad thing.  1 to 1 is more normal.
What do you mean by a "20 to 1" ratio?
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One note - every time I bring up the topic of the Inuits being quite healthy living on animal foods alone, Pingu says "yabbut ... they have a high incidence of coronary disease"

Well hold on ... WHICH INUITS are we talking about?  Price found two subgroups within each group he visited - one group was eating strictly indigenous foods and had perfect teeth ... and the other group was eating a westernized diet.

Now it's true that Price did not stay with the perfect teeth groups long enough to check their health when they were old (who could?) ... but THIS PAPER says that perfect teeth is an EARLY INDICATOR of future long term wrt systemic CNDCs.
We've been through all that dave.

Yes, dental health is an indicator for long term systemic CNDCs. Why? Fermented carbohydrates. Too much sugar is bad. This is not something new.

As for the inuit and Masai, you were shown the links in the past. Shall I look for them again?
"Too much sugar is bad"

I believe that this is a dangerous oversimplification ... why?  Because someone reading it might think "I need to reduce my sugar intake and everything will be fine" and they go on their merry way eating a diet composed mostly of refined carbs and end up dying of a heart attack at 50.
It's a good thing no doctor, nutritionist or any kind of scientist says something like that, then. In fact, most physicians go into great lenghts with their patients on the kind of foods a diabetic should be careful of.

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A better statement I think is ... "the diet needs to contain enough body building materials to stay healthy and disease free ... if the diet is composed of too high a % of fermentable carbs, especially ones like refined wheat which has been robbed of many essential dietary ingredients ... then there is the risk of the body not having enough body building materials to stay healthy and disease free."That's not exacly correct. It's also a question of direct damage caused by carbohydrates on a physiological level.

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CNDCs - both dental and systemic - are the result of a LACK of something ... not the result of a POISON (if you will) such as sugar or Wonder bread.  The problem is that if too high a % of your diet is Wonder bread then your appetite will be satiated BEFORE you have ingested sufficient body building materials to stay healthy and disease free.
No, that's not always the problem. Sometime it's not a question of a "LACK" of something, but of too much of something, and the imbalances it creates in the body.

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I say this primarily because she seems to believe that the reported coronary problems among the Inuit that she has read about IS CAUSED BY their diet which is high in animal fats.  Which seems to align with Keys' view.
As far as the animal fats part is concerned, yes. That doesn't mean that excessive carbohydrate intake is recommended. That is ALSO the cause for illness. This is not an either/or thing, dave.
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I - on the other hand - believe that any coronary problems among the Inuit would have been caused by WESTERNIZED DIETS.
And you don't think that a high fat content is related to a "WESTERNIZED DIET"?
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What makes you think that the two hypotheses are mutually exclusive? What if BOTH an excess of carbohydrates and an excess of fats is responsible for illness?

Did I just blow your mind?
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Dave, do you think anyone (especially among those of us in the medical profession) has any issues or objections to the findings of that paper (that you keep posting and reposting for some reason)?
Pingu does.  See above.
Wrong. No one (and not Pingu, as far as I'm aware) disputes that excess of carbohydrates is bad for the health, and causes serious systemic illness. Can you tell me where she's said otherwise?
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One note - every time I bring up the topic of the Inuits being quite healthy living on animal foods alone, Pingu says "yabbut ... they have a high incidence of coronary disease"

Well hold on ... WHICH INUITS are we talking about?  Price found two subgroups within each group he visited - one group was eating strictly indigenous foods and had perfect teeth ... and the other group was eating a westernized diet.

Now it's true that Price did not stay with the perfect teeth groups long enough to check their health when they were old (who could?) ... but THIS PAPER says that perfect teeth is an EARLY INDICATOR of future long term wrt systemic CNDCs.
We've been through all that dave.

Yes, dental health is an indicator for long term systemic CNDCs. Why? Fermented carbohydrates. Too much sugar is bad. This is not something new.

As for the inuit and Masai, you were shown the links in the past. Shall I look for them again?
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Dave, do you think anyone (especially among those of us in the medical profession) has any issues or objections to the findings of that paper (that you keep posting and reposting for some reason)?
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Meanwhile, as the walls come crumbling down...



I don't know much about this LaVar character, but he gets points for his astounding success in trolling the shit out of the President of the United States.
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Yes it's easy money.  But hold on ... If I quit, won't somebody else just take my job?   They will.  Sears is not going to say "oh crap, Dave Hawkins quit and he quit because he doesn't want to emit carbon, so maybe we should just leave his position unfilled so that we as a company will emit less carbon."  Sears is not going to say that.  No... Instead, they will just hire someone else. And they will try to hire someone better than me if they can. That will be difficult, but it could happen. :-)
So?
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It's an educated guess based on past history of how greedy corporations operate
Like the Trump Organization, for instance?
Butbutbut Killary! The Whore of Babylon!!!111!  Tim LaHaye said it, I believe it, that settles it!!1
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Of course we could always do "fake analysis" to "prove" that fake meat improves ecosystems ...
Or one can rely on a Fake interpretation of an old and incomplete analysis to claim that their Fake method did not degrade the ecosystem through methane emissions.

Oh wait, someone already did that.
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Science / Re: Interstellar asteroid
Soooooooo how's its light curve?
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Man, that guy's face. :yuck:
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The way I'm building this thing is similar to the way you imagine that life evolved.
I bet it's not.
TOE does not assume a (dim) designer.
It's also essentially a trial-and-error process.
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You are probably right, but I hate Hillary more.
Since you're into all the Tim LaHaye / Jerry Jenkins BS, how do you know you weren't actually conned into voting for the Antichrist? Because Trump is not from Romania? :rofl:
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And yes I do actually believe authors like Tim LaHaye who write about super rich secret cabals operating out of a castle somewhere in Europe who are trying to control the whole world.  I think they are making excellent progress toward that goal!
Of course you do, dave. Of course you do. You've jumped into that cult head-first.
At least I hope you've spared your children from watching Left Behind a dozen times.
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Tyrants NEED people to live in cities because then they are dependent upon the tyrant and upon his cronies who own / control the mega farms.
Funny thing: Throughout history, a large percentage of all the slaves of tyrants lived and worked OUTSIDE the cities.

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One way to get people to live in cities is to make them believe that cities are necessary for their survival/happiness/etc.
Another way is to make them, period. Funny how often they didn't make them though. And they were still slaves. Imagine that!

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Another way is to get them to believe that  life will be easier and better for them in the city than in the countryside. And it is ...  if we are comparing city life to many current and historical "life in the countryside" models, which in my opinion are quite broken and miserable.  No wonder people opt for city life when comparing to THOSE models!
Um, slaves didn't really have the luxury of deciding for themselves where they would live. You know that right?

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But I contend that there are much better models available for comparison than are being offered  for comparison by the tyrants.
Sure there are. But I contend your robopen is irrelevant to all that. It's just the way you're trying to shill for it to any potential gullible rubes.
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The way I'm building this thing is similar to the way you imagine that life evolved.
I bet it's not.
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In the famous words of Robert E. Lee, "Let them eat cotton".
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..."COTTON"?

FFS dave. You're just flailing at this point.
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"Lots of ancient people ate grains.  Therefore grain production was easy."

"Lots of Mexicans work on vegetable farms picking vegetables. Therefore picking vegetables is easy work."
...

...Seriously?

Hide your sleight-of-hands better next time.