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Messages - el jefe

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perhaps combined with a fixation
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The rural poor benefit disporportionately from minimum wage increases, given cost of living considerations. And they do get food assistance. Lots of it. I don't get this crazy myth that urban blacks... erm, poor people generally, get secret magic benefits.
I had a cousin try to tell me he was denied medicaid because he was white.  I asked him if that's the actual reason they gave him.  he said no, of course they're not going to say that, but he could just tell.  he added that his Mexican friend Bob did get medicaid, despite having a higher salary.  before I could ask any more questions, his sister chimed in and pointed out that Bob lived in a different state, which had expanded medicaid, whereas my male cousin lived in one that didn't, and suggested that was the real reason.  (I don't know for a fact that it is, but he is in about the right income range for that to explain it.)  then male cousin goes on an all-caps rant calling his sister "A CONDESCENDING BITCH".  (we're not an italian family, so we don't say things like that to each other lightly.)  he went on for a while.  I think there was something in there about "obama's true agenda".

anyway, it sounds like Pandora buys into this kkk myth that white people can't get public assistance.
I didn't read that into her posts, but then, not being on Facebook, I haven't been triggered to look for that.
she didn't say it and might not have implied it, but I smell it nearby.  i.e., I suspect she thinks it, or that she heard and believed someone's cleaned up variant of it.
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even so, at most what you have there is the same kind of conspiracy distraction that moore's defenders are using.  allowing that the allegations may be true, but trying to make the conversation about the people bringing them to light.  it is maybe worth paying attention to, but probably not as important as the allegations themselves.
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The rural poor benefit disporportionately from minimum wage increases, given cost of living considerations. And they do get food assistance. Lots of it. I don't get this crazy myth that urban blacks... erm, poor people generally, get secret magic benefits.
I had a cousin try to tell me he was denied medicaid because he was white.  I asked him if that's the actual reason they gave him.  he said no, of course they're not going to say that, but he could just tell.  he added that his Mexican friend Bob did get medicaid, despite having a higher salary.  before I could ask any more questions, his sister chimed in and pointed out that Bob lived in a different state, which had expanded medicaid, whereas my male cousin lived in one that didn't, and suggested that was the real reason.  (I don't know for a fact that it is, but he is in about the right income range for that to explain it.)  then male cousin goes on an all-caps rant calling his sister "A CONDESCENDING BITCH".  (we're not an italian family, so we don't say things like that to each other lightly.)  he went on for a while.  I think there was something in there about "obama's true agenda".

anyway, it sounds like Pandora buys into this kkk myth that white people can't get public assistance.
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but if there's a notion here that people are entitled to work in the particular industry they know and like, even if it requires large and sustained public intervention to prop up, I see problems with that. 
If a person can't get a job that covers their expenses in the place they live... shouldn't they move?  If the jobs available to them don't meet their income requirements... shouldn't they retrain?
good so far
If people live in an rural setting, and it is unsustainable, we seem perfectly willing to insist that the rural dwellers should move to urban settings, retrain to a completely new field, and completely uproot their lives.  If people live in an urban setting, and it is unsustainable, we seem perfectly willing to increase minimum wage, provide housing and food assistance, subsidize their transportation, and make sure they aren't forced to uproot their lives.
stuff like this is how we know you are a consumer of conservative entertainment.  what you just said bears no resemblance to anything any liberal says, but bears a strong resemblance to conservative entertainment's lies about what liberals think.

liberals are perfectly happy to provide the same social safety net to rural people as to everyone else.  that's why they have done so, time and again.  it is not their fault republican governors have opted out of the medicaid expansion and republican - run states and cities don't like to raise the local minimum wage.

Why are urban poor better and more deserving of support and assistance than rural poor?
no one said they were
The urban poor are cast as victims.  They are stuck in a cycle of poverty that is intergenerational with long-lasting effects.  They can't break out of that cycle themselves - they need our help!  It's not their fault!
that's probably a fair description of how they are cast
The rural poor are cast as villains.  They're determined to make bad decisions fueled by their ignorance and their hick ways.  They don't have the hutzpah to just move to a better place.  They don't deserve our help.  They're responsible for their decisions.
I'd say they are cast more as suckers than villains.  the left's villains are big business and rich people, not rural poor.  probably fair to say the left sees the rural poor as less victimy than the urban poor, but they still hold a general view that the entire working class (rural and urban) have been screwed by reaganomics and deserve a lot of help.  which is why the left keeps giving them help.

the rural poor are also seen as dumb.  if they don't like being seen that way, nominating and electing a game show host as president was not a step in the right direction. but apart from elections, their general tendency to dislike science and education is basically an embrace of dumb.
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So, you are saying that you totally loved wonder woman and own the dvd?
*long pause*

yes
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no, I'm completely joking with the thing about black people.  people aren't going to read our walls of text, so I'm doing a sort of false summary troll.
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look, testy.  all I'm saying is, it's wrong to hate black people.  why can't you agree with that?
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let's see if the allegations against charlie rose go away when it's clarified that he isn't jewish
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weird.

I mean, it would explain conyers' flat denial if the thing did happen. 

but for them to not even be notified that it happened?  that seems really crazy
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that would be a dumb lie to tell, since proving the existence of the settlement would be pretty easy.  maybe he is super confident it would stay confidential (even after word of it got out?).  or maybe there was no settlement.
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testy, I understand you feel especially strongly that a stable life should be possible, and we shouldn't all be expected to sacrifice ourselves on the altar of the free market.  and of course you're right about all that.  and that's why we have a social safety net, and do other things like free retraining programs to help absorb the shock.  probably we'll have to go further, with ubi and expansion of public works projects, etc.

but if there's a notion here that people are entitled to work in the particular industry they know and like, even if it requires large and sustained public intervention to prop up, I see problems with that.  a principle like that is not reasonable unless it can be applied to everyone.  and there's no way that kind of thinking can be applied to everyone.  the money to prop up every dying industry indefinitely simply does not exist.  I hope you don't think we should have been subsidizing, e.g., vhs repairmen for the last 25 years since CD's edged them out, by paying them to fix machines no one is using (which would possibly have to be bought for the sole purpose of being intentionally broken so vhs repairmen could fix them).  I hope you agree that a transition has to happen at some point.
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I don't even think there is anything wrong with wanting to live a simple, rural, old-fashioned lifestyle.  if you want to do that and it makes you happy, good for you.  but I find it enormously frustrating to watch people struggle financially because they insist on working in a dead industry in a dead town and refuse every option to get out of that dead end situation, because they are too scared to leave their comfort zone.
Or you know... their family and the friends they've known their entire life, their elderly parents who need help around the house, their church and their community, etc.

Yeah, just totally too scared.  Not even a remote possibility that there might be a wee bit more to it than your one-dimensional worldview allows for, hmm?
by "comfort zone" I'm not just talking about where you live, i also mean willingness to try other lines of work.  if your job ceases to exist, and you don't want to move, then the only reasonable option is to try a new line of work.  if you refuse to do that, and instead demand the government subsidize your old industry to maybe bring back your old job, you are being a gigantic baby.
And?
that's a good point, babies are cute

let's make some posts emphasizing this point where meep can see them
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and I agree with Pandora that her imaginary cartoon city sounds like a terrible place to live
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I don't even think there is anything wrong with wanting to live a simple, rural, old-fashioned lifestyle.  if you want to do that and it makes you happy, good for you.  but I find it enormously frustrating to watch people struggle financially because they insist on working in a dead industry in a dead town and refuse every option to get out of that dead end situation, because they are too scared to leave their comfort zone.
Or you know... their family and the friends they've known their entire life, their elderly parents who need help around the house, their church and their community, etc.

Yeah, just totally too scared.  Not even a remote possibility that there might be a wee bit more to it than your one-dimensional worldview allows for, hmm?
by "comfort zone" I'm not just talking about where you live, i also mean willingness to try other lines of work.  if your job ceases to exist, and you don't want to move, then the only reasonable option is to try a new line of work.  if you refuse to do that, and instead demand the government subsidize your old industry to maybe bring back your old job, you are being a gigantic baby.
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Science / Re: Interstellar asteroid
they should shoot something at it to see if it's made of antimatter.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
one thing I disagree with there ^^ is that I don't think they expect to win in 2018.  I think they expect mixed results; losing seats in the house (though whether it flips control is an open question) while gaining in the senate (though possibly not many).  but yeah, they are more worried about primary challenges than they are about the general.  and that goes for both house and senate.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
There's coverage of the more ridiculous stuff, like maintaining tax breaks for private jets and golf courses, but there's also coverage of the more meat-and-potatoes bullshit like eliminating the estate tax or how companies aren't going to actually hire anyone or give our raises and they openly admit this.

I still wonder how much is bad faith arguments in favor of a bill they know does nothing but shovel money to the wealthy and how much is really their brains being so broken by their garbage ideology that they really believe anyone but the wealthy would benefit.

I dunno. Flake hinted at being a "no" today, so that brings us up to 4. My guess is still that we get Bush Tax Cuts 3.0, i.e. a big break for the wealthy and a pittance for everyone else that expires in 10 years.
I think some of them still honestly believe in reaganomics.  Orrin hatch gave the impression of sincere belief in his testy exchange with Sherrod Brown the other day.
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now he really needs to resign
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I think there's truth to your "ablative armor" opening bid theory, but I think the dynamics really are more complicated than that.  I'm guessing the private jet tax break benefits large donors, who are the ones calling gop office holders and saying "pass this bill or never call me again".  it also serves as indirect corporate welfare for Gulfstream or whoever makes these corporate jets, who I'm betting have assembly plants in the home districts of certain chairmen or members of leadership.  plus they can point to said corporate welfare and say "look, we're saving jobs!" which may ring true to people who are either incapable of critical thought or don't think quantitatively enough to see that the few hundred jobs they're saving are less than negligible in the grand scheme of things.

and I don't think these douche policies are without a PR cost.  giving a tax break for rich people buying corporate jets really does look bad, especially as part of a package that raises taxes on the middle class.  you put that in a bill, and the opposition can and will hammer you for it (as the democrats are doing), and you will pay some price at the polls. that is part of the cost of crap like that.

anyway, I don't think it's simply this one dimensional problem where you pick a ridiculous opening bid so that you can settle for something better than you'd get starting from a reasonable opening bid.  I think the bid/negotiation model is part of it.  but so are donors, pork barrel spending, optics, etc.
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lol
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and special elections are notoriously unpredictable and hard to poll.  imo, these polls should be read with an error bar of like 10 or 15 points.  iow, it is a tossup.  wouldn't be surprised if either guy won by 10.