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  • i prefer to make fun of idiots online because its the most effective way to convince the lurkers who are on the fence and its really such a shame that the only options are making fun of idiots or engaging in pointless intellectual discussions with people who will never be convinced man i really wish there were a third way thatd be pretty cool dont you think so bart but really its all for the lurkers and calling people dummies on the internet makes a real difference and saves lives we are super important dont forget it buddy.

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Politics and Current Events / Re: CPAC shit
That was super obvious at the time since it happened right after Obama won but lol at publicly confirming it

Then again open white nationalism is the mainstream GOP position these days so
more like bernout heh heh heh
Yes, and Trump also defunded deradicalization programs that show some amount of success.
Daily Beast came out yesterday with a story saying he wasn't, but all of the legal motions for dumping almost all of his current legal team but sticking with the guy known for federal plea deals are still in place.
ProPublica obtained the chat logs of Atomwaffen, a notorious white supremacist group. When Samuel Woodward was charged with killing 19-year-old Blaze Bernstein last month in California, other Atomwaffen members cheered the death, concerned only that the group's cover might have been blown.

Long piece, here's just the beginning

Late last month, ProPublica reported that the California man accused of killing a gay and Jewish University of Pennsylvania student was an avowed neo-Nazi and a member of Atomwaffen Division, one of the country's most notorious extremist groups.

The news about the murder suspect, Samuel Woodward, spread quickly throughout the U.S., and abroad. Woodward was accused of fatally stabbing 19-year-old Blaze Bernstein and burying his body in an Orange County park.

The report, it turns out, was also taken up in the secretive online chats conducted by members of Atomwaffen Division, a white supremacist group that celebrates both Hitler and Charles Manson.

"I love this," one member wrote of the killing, according to copies of the online chats obtained by ProPublica. Another called Woodward a "one man gay Jew wrecking crew."

More soon joined in.

"What I really want to know is who leaked that shit about Sam to the media," a third member wrote.

At least one member wanted to punish the person who had revealed Woodward's affiliation with Atomwaffen.

"Rats and traitors get the rope first."

Encrypted chat logs obtained by ProPublica -- some 250,000 messages spanning more than six months -- offer a rare window into Atomwaffen Division that goes well beyond what has surfaced elsewhere about a group whose members have been implicated in a string of violent crimes. Like many white supremacist organizations, Atomwaffen Division uses Discord, an online chat service designed for video gamers, to engage in its confidential online discussions.

In a matter of months, people associated with the group, including Woodward, have been charged in five murders; another group member pleaded guilty to possession of explosives after authorities uncovered a possible plot to blow up a nuclear facility near Miami.

The group's propaganda makes clear that Atomwaffen -- the word means "nuclear weapons" in German -- embraces Third Reich ideology and preaches hatred of minorities, gays and Jews. Atomwaffen produces YouTube videos showing members firing weapons and has filmed members burning the U.S. Constitution and setting fire to the American flag. But the organization, by and large, cloaks its operations in secrecy and bars members from speaking to the media.

The chat logs and other material obtained by ProPublica provide unusually extensive information about the group's leaders, wider makeup, and potential targets, indicating:

The group may have as many as 20 cells around the country, small groups of indeterminate size in Texas, Virginia, Washington, Nevada and elsewhere. Members armed with assault rifles and other guns have taken part in weapons training in various locations over the last two years, including last month in the Nevada desert near Death Valley.

Members have discussed using explosives to cripple public water systems and destroy parts of the electrical power grid. One member even claimed to have obtained classified maps of the power grid in California. Throughout the chats, Atomwaffen members laud Timothy McVeigh, the former soldier who bombed the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168, including numerous children. Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof and Anders Breivik, the Norwegian extremist who massacred 77 people, also come in for praise.

Woodward posted several messages in the days after Bernstein's murder, but before he was arrested and charged. In one thread, he told his fellow Atomwaffen members that he was thinking about the "passing of life" and was "truly grateful for our time together."

Woodward, 20, has pleaded not guilty in the Bernstein case. Prosecutors have said they are exploring whether the murder constituted a hate crime and detectives are now investigating what role, if any, Atomwaffen might have played in the homicide. Woodward and Bernstein had known each other in high school in California, and appear to have reconnected somehow shortly before the killing.

Law enforcement, both federal and state, have said little about what they make of Atomwaffen. But organizations dedicated to tracking and studying hate groups have been calling attention to what they regard as the group's considerable threat.

"We haven't seen anything like Atomwaffen in quite a while," said Keegan Hankes, a researcher who tracks the group for the Southern Poverty Law Center. "They should be taken seriously because they're so extreme."

Jeffrey Kaplan, a historian, has studied racial extremists for decades and edited the Encyclopedia of White Power. In an interview, he suggested that Atomwaffen is dangerous, but that talk in their propaganda and private conversations of aims such as toppling the U.S. government amounted to what he called a kind of "magical thinking." Kaplan said such groups often contain a handful of diehards who are willing to commit crimes and many more wannabes who are unwilling to do much more than read fascist literature.

"It's very hard to go from talking about violence to looking a guy in the eyes and killing him," said Kaplan, a professor of national security studies at King Fahd Defense College in Saudi Arabia.

we should definitely let Nazis organize publicly and recruit though, nothing could ever possibly go wrong with that
Yeah, it's perfectly possible that Shapiro has some raw intellectual talent.

But he employs whatever he has in the service of dumb sophist arguments to justify hatred and bigotry. There's nothing particularly intelligent about his rhetoric at all. Even if you want to find "smart" conservative arguments, you can find a lot better than him.
I mean, realistically, that one guy wasn't going to be able to stop anything, which is why everyone should shut up about their idiot fantasies of arming school teachers.

Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's teachers shooting up kids because they were mouthing off in class. Or felt threatened by large black male students who decide to do whatever that makes white people lose their shit and shoot them.

Only one solution: Arm the students too.

I feel like it's only a matter of time before someone suggests that unironically, if they haven't already. If they ever did get their dumb fantasy of arming teachers to come true, and teachers started shooting students, as they inevitably would, I have to imagine this would pretty quickly become a popular right-wing opinion.

It's already been unironically argued for at colleges
These kids own so fucking much because they make zero pretense about respecting assholes who don't deserve it even if they're a senator or president

Some good context would be melting them down into slag heaps to use as the base for monuments to victims of the Confederacy
Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I don't know where else to dump this but lol

45th president.

That's just weird

would you be shocked to learn that Trump is extremely vain and petty?
whole bunch of tax/bank fraud stuff
lol at all of the red pill idiots who base their whole fucked up misogynistic ideology around "alpha" and "beta" science from the 1940's
The whole "alpha wolf pack" thing is actually based on very dated science! The original research was on a captive wolf pack in the 40's, but studies since then on wild wolves have found a completely different pack dynamic centered around family, not "alpha" machismo shit.
he's been doubling down on twitter with this stupid "well, actually" stuff all day and been getting owned even harder