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Messages - Alfonso Bivouac

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Shit just got 9-D.
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Wow this larger mobile pen with the leader follower arrangement for the cow is working great! Pasture impact is the best I've ever had and animal condition is great even though it's February.

You've heard of the Roomba? Maybe someday I will invent a YardBaa ... which works just like a Roomba except it's maybe 10 x 10 or 8 by 8 and moves automatically around your yard instead of your living room... And of course contains sheep to keep your yard mowed and fertilized.
How did you asses this (the bolded part), Dave? By what observable criteria did you make this assessment?
Joseph Smith rose from the dead and appeared to me in a vision and inscribed a message to me on stone tablets in Egyptian hieroglyphics.

Let us imagine that fredbear's question was from a gullible rube thinking about joining in with the Tarptown experience.  What would be your answer then?
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True

Lol

 Cognitive dissonance in just two words.
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My four panel 400 W set up cost me about $1200 but it is not quite powerful enough to run a small window unit air conditioner. For that, I have to run a small $120 two cycle generator.  Also if I have a string of three cloudy days in a row, it is not quite adequate to power my refrigerator.  An 8 panel set up would be adequate to power a small window air conditioner unit when needed, and probably a freezer as well.
I understand that at some point you did indeed upgrade to an 8-panel array. Since then you have never run your generator? Or replaced any batteries? Teasing this information out of you is unnecessarily difficult, so please excuse my terseness.
Your terseness is because you're an arrogant Darwin Club member and you think that young Earth creationist like me are idiots.

No, Dave.  Well most of us think that anyone who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old is either misinformed, or has had to come to some accommodation between their faith and the science, I personally don't think they are necessarily idiots, and I know quite a few who are definitely not.

But you are.  And it requires no especially arrogance on anybody's part to think so. What is much more striking is your own arrogance.


But that's okay. I'll work with you. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned before that I got rid of my generator long ago and if I ever need backup power I just run my car with a separate inverter. But that is almost never needed. The only time I would need it would be on a cloudy day with a large power demand like if I'm having a party and running all the sound equipment. No I've not had to replace any batteries yet and I hope I don't have to for about eight more years. I will probably add a wind generator later this year because there are a lot of cloudy days in the winter time but the wind is often blowing during those times.

That's good that you've got the solar array is working so well.
Why thank you. It must have been dumb luck because I'm an idiot and all.


Do you think idiots know they're idiots?
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I'm going to be in shock about this one by borealis for a couple days...

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You never heard of Dadanawa ranch until I mentioned it.

What kind of mental debauchery is required for someone to not realize that a guy who is deep into ranching and who lived in Guyana -  a country whose southern district is named  after  the Village founded by his dad (ferchrissakes) wouldn't know about Dadanawa Ranch?

Makes me wonder how some of you people can get out of bed and tie your shoes every morning without help.

And you had never even heard of FGM until a few weeks ago.  Of course, a little over a day later you were a self proclaimed expert.
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Why don't you and the other Socrates go get a room at the B&B and discuss it there amongst yourselves.
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You're wrong.  As usual.

So what does Judy think of your operation?  Surely you've run it past the master?
Of course.  He said "Sounds like you have figured out the goat operation quite well."

Why do YOU care?



Oh, is that what he said?  "Sounds like"?  Sounds decidedly vague to me.

Did you fully describe the caged goats, mechanically winched around a field?
I answered your question.  Now answer mine.  Why do you care?


I'm the caring type.

So, did you fully describe the caged goats, mechanically winched around a field?

And why hasn't Holmes adopted the cage method?  The image Voxrat posted shows what looks like to me, the happiest goats on the planet.  Roaming around without a goat prison in sight.
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You're wrong.  As usual.

So what does Judy think of your operation?  Surely you've run it past the master?
Of course.  He said "Sounds like you have figured out the goat operation quite well."

Why do YOU care?



Oh, is that what he said?  "Sounds like"?  Sounds decidedly vague to me.

Did you fully describe the caged goats, mechanically winched around a field?
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You're wrong.  As usual.

So what does Judy think of your operation?  Surely you've run it past the master?

Invisible questions.  As usual.
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You're wrong.  As usual.

So what does Judy think of your operation?  Surely you've run it past the master?
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Okay so Martin wants to know about lions and tigers and bears oh my... here's what I have to say about that... if I do a project other than in Missouri it will probably be in southern Guyana at the Wai Wai Village that I visited in 2011. I have a good relationship with the chief and he has been asking me for a long time to come and help them with sustainable agriculture. Of course one of the biggest reasons I have not returned yet is because I have to have Some first hand experience under my belt. I'm now getting that but I won't consider myself fully qualified until I go at least a year or two with sheep and a dairy cow and also have some success with integrating chickens into the mix. Once I get that experience, then I will be ready to launch a project.

The first project at this Village might be cutting a clearing of perhaps 40 acres and establishing grasses. The villagers are currently cutting clearings like this already which they use for planting cassava but they can only grow cassava for 2 to 3 years before needing to abandon the field for lack of fertility.  My Hope of course would be that this 40-acre field that I establish could be used continuously year after year without ever having to abandon it by using holistic managed grazing.

Now let me ask you... do you think this project would have any sort of noticeable impact on howler monkey populations or spider monkey populations or Jaguar populations or tapir populations in the area? 

I cannot see that it would at all.

Why have the Wai Wai been asking for your help for a long time when as you say, you haven't got some first hand experience under your belt?
Have you been bullshitting them about your 'expertise' too?
Alfonso - for once in his life - asks an intelligent question - woo hoo! Pinching myself.  Can this be real? I was a logical choice to ask for help, not because I knew lots about agriculture at that time, but because I was willing to learn and of course they knew me already and I'm decent with their native language.  Also I was willing to make an attempt to help them which I'm in the process of doing by learning and experimenting. 


I also asked previously what Judy thinks of your operation.  You've been suspiciously silent on this.  My guess is that he'd be appalled.
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Okay so Martin wants to know about lions and tigers and bears oh my... here's what I have to say about that... if I do a project other than in Missouri it will probably be in southern Guyana at the Wai Wai Village that I visited in 2011. I have a good relationship with the chief and he has been asking me for a long time to come and help them with sustainable agriculture. Of course one of the biggest reasons I have not returned yet is because I have to have Some first hand experience under my belt. I'm now getting that but I won't consider myself fully qualified until I go at least a year or two with sheep and a dairy cow and also have some success with integrating chickens into the mix. Once I get that experience, then I will be ready to launch a project.

The first project at this Village might be cutting a clearing of perhaps 40 acres and establishing grasses. The villagers are currently cutting clearings like this already which they use for planting cassava but they can only grow cassava for 2 to 3 years before needing to abandon the field for lack of fertility.  My Hope of course would be that this 40-acre field that I establish could be used continuously year after year without ever having to abandon it by using holistic managed grazing.

Now let me ask you... do you think this project would have any sort of noticeable impact on howler monkey populations or spider monkey populations or Jaguar populations or tapir populations in the area? 

I cannot see that it would at all.

Why have the Wai Wai been asking for your help for a long time when as you say, you haven't got some first hand experience under your belt?
Have you been bullshitting them about your 'expertise' too?
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Back to the Amazon ... one question I have is ... is it possible to convert rainforest to pasture land successfully?  I think the answer is "Yes" judging from information from Greenpeace and others ...


Why would we want to destroy rain forest?

To increase the number of cow cells.
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I know you guys don't accept this but all deserts are man-made. It's true whether you want to believe it or not.

Hilariously out to lunch.
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Let's clarify what we mean when we talk about destroying ecosystems or enhancing ecosystems.

The simplest definition would probably involve a simple count of the number of living cells per unit area.

For example the number of living cells per unit area in the Amazon rainforest is vastly greater than the number of living cells per unit area in the Sahara Desert.

So, a planet completely covered by bacteria would be an enhanced ecosystem.  OK.

Fuckwit.
Earth pretty much is.

Typical human biosphere has 10x as many bacterial cells as human cells.

Wait, fuck the lice, it's bacteria we exist for!!
Lol @ Alfonso Bivouac

I already know the mass of bacteria far exceeds all humans cells.  About 2/3 of all biomass is bacteria.  I was more picturing the planet literally covered in bacteria, feet deep with no other life.  What an enhanced ecosystem under your fantastic retard definition.
You are a special kind of idiot.

Ironically that is a compliment coming from you.

Rubbed any more of your own shit in your daughters face yet?
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"So, a planet completely covered by bacteria would be an enhanced ecosystem.  OK."

Alfonso got something right for once in his life.

There you go making assumptions again (like a global flood happened and a magical being knocked up a middle eastern woman), I've got two things right so far which is two more than you.
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Let's clarify what we mean when we talk about destroying ecosystems or enhancing ecosystems.

The simplest definition would probably involve a simple count of the number of living cells per unit area.

For example the number of living cells per unit area in the Amazon rainforest is vastly greater than the number of living cells per unit area in the Sahara Desert.

So, a planet completely covered by bacteria would be an enhanced ecosystem.  OK.

Fuckwit.
Earth pretty much is.

Typical human biosphere has 10x as many bacterial cells as human cells.

Wait, fuck the lice, it's bacteria we exist for!!
Lol @ Alfonso Bivouac

I already know the mass of bacteria far exceeds all humans cells.  About 2/3 of all biomass is bacteria.  I was more picturing the planet literally covered in bacteria, feet deep with no other life.  What an enhanced ecosystem under your fantastic retard definition.
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Faid when I say that nature Knows Best I am specifically saying that "Nature knows best How to not destroy ecosystems and also how to enhance them" which to me means greater biodiversity, higher numbers of life forms, Etc

Related to this observation is the secondary observation that mankind is the only species that I know of that is able to destroy ecosystems.

Do you agree with these two general observations?
So when I talk about enhancing an ecosystem or destroying an ecosystem I'm talking about increasing or decreasing the number of species and the species diversity per unit area or we could say we are increasing or decreasing the number of living cells per unit area.

I thought you were just talking about the number of cells per unit area?  That's the simplest definition wasn't it?
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Here is the Wikipedia discussion of this topic... I find this part particularly useful...

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traditional diversity measuresspecies density, take into account the number of species in an areaspecies richness, take into account the number of species per individuals (usually [species]/[individuals x area])diversity indices, take into account the number of species (the richness) and their relative contribution (the evenness); e.g.:Simpson indexShannon-Wiener index

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_of_biodiversity



So very different from your 'most simple' idiot definition above then.
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Let's clarify what we mean when we talk about destroying ecosystems or enhancing ecosystems.

The simplest definition would probably involve a simple count of the number of living cells per unit area.

For example the number of living cells per unit area in the Amazon rainforest is vastly greater than the number of living cells per unit area in the Sahara Desert.

So, a planet completely covered by bacteria would be an enhanced ecosystem.  OK.

Fuckwit.
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"I'm skeptical, as I've said, because I think you don't give a rat's arse about what might be "lush" and what might be something that turns out to be poisonous to your animals.  You don't seem to think it matters to know."

Lol

One of our main jobs every day as interns was to run around all over the next paddock each day and put up little warning signs for the cows wherever there were poisonous plants that said "Warning! Do not eat!"

Greg's cows are special... They can read!

OK, so you really are stupid. 

fine.
I'm pretty sure that your response means something other than... "Oh you really did put little signs out in the pasture for the cows... that's really stupid" ... but I've been wrong about you before... So...

So what does Judy think of your profitable operation?
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In any case, now you know what my system looks like and I would love to know how your most recent criticism of my (supposed lack of) understanding of Greg Judy's keys to success would make any difference in my day-to-day operations.

Have you told Judy the details of your setup, all based on what you learnt from him?
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My island will be filled with gullible rubes, double glazing and shit buckets.  Just one press of the big button and a freshly cooked rabbit will appear, alongside a huge barrel of raw warm goats milk, all a real man needs.  Actually, fuck the rabbits, it's goat milk all the way down.  It will only take a fraction of a second to press the button leaving plenty of time for reading, playing piano and hiring prostitutes.  We don't need to get into a reductionist discussion as to the how, just think holistically.

Every Tuesday the prostitutes will be delivered to my sordid hay-bale grief hole on a rotational basis and on Sundays I will carry out the public hangings of those I deem treasonous.
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Say whatever you want. It won't change the fact that I'm doing good science. Science which is much more useful than the kind you do. You might say that I'm democratizing science. People like you are actually enemies of science because you restrict it to such a narrow definition that only a few Elite scientists with fancy Science degrees can do science. And of course that's a lie because anyone can do science. Even kindergarteners. And they should. You are just like the papist clergy of Martin Luther's day who  said that the common people were too stupid to read the Bible in their own language.

Wow.  You are one fucking confused individual.  You don't understand experimental controls, you don't even know how to measure for comparison, you seem to think science is just a common sense confirmation of what you already believe to be true.  Grow up, man.  Elementary school children here would see through your charade.

What would be really fun is if Donald Trump was as bad as you people say he is and he issued a dictatorial order that all posters at talk rational were immediately exiled to one of two islands for the next five years ... Dave Hawkins would be the governor of one... And one of you people - Pingu for example - would be the governor at the other one.  Each of you  would be allowed to pick who's Island you want to live on and of course you would be initially stocked with whatever livestock and garden seeds and tools and so forth that you would need. But you only get one chance to pick and you only get one chance to buy supplies. Then you are stuck there for 5 years.  Who would you pick?

Jesus - Pingu, without a fucking doubt.  There's more than enough reason to avoid actual personal contact with you Dave, you're bloated narcissism and abject ignorance are just the surface issues.  You also have a magniloquent ego and are a gargantuan asshole, especially to women. 

I'll take Pingu, in a millisecond.  She is patient, thoughtful, kind, and willing to work collaboratively.  She has relevant knowledge, and probably would excel as a manager, if her posting behaviour is any guide.  You, on the other hand, would alienate any and all people the moment your "wisdom" is questioned.

Was this a serious inquiry?

No. It wasn't.  Just braggadocious Dave, blowing his own horn, in a scenario invented in his fantastical mind.  Much like your HMG experiment.

I'd take Dave because I'd need a slave.

And please beat him, but not so much that he dies within two days.  If he dies after three days that then alright with Yahweh.
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How is carrying capacity measured?
By how many animal units you can keep on a given acreage. One animal unit equals the equivalent of one 1000 pound non lactating cow

:facepalm:

How do you determine  how many animal units you can keep on a given acreage ?
Yesterday on Facebook I saw one HMG operator reporting that  one section of her pastor produces 11 tons of dry matter per year.

Jesus, he must be shitting constantly.  Is the pastor a big fan of warm raw goats milk too?