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Science / Re: Interstellar asteroid
Here's the origin of the name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFv-uc90-FM
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let's see if the allegations against charlie rose go away when it's clarified that he isn't jewish
Nope, he just got fired from CBS at noon today.

He reminds me of the Stephen Fry character from V for Vendetta.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
As can be seen in the diagram, the system consists entirely of interconnected pipes all at the same pressure but as the ammonia passes into the hydrogen the pressure of the ammonia drops to virtually zero, as if it were entering a vacuum, because the ammonia molecules can flow freely between the hydrogen molecules.

The pressures indicated in your drawing ("Ammonia Pressure < 1bar, Hydrogen Pressure 15bar) are partial pressures of each gas.  the Gas stream at that point is Hydrogen rich and very little gaseaus Ammonia is present, thus the low partial pressure.


Citation needed

THERMODYNAMIC STUDY OF DIFFUSION ABSORPTION REFRIGERATION SYSTEM WITH ORGANIC FLUID
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The unique
feature of this cycle, as compared to a
conventional ammonia-water absorption
cycle, is that introduction of the auxiliary inert
gas plays its role to reduce the partial pressure
of the refrigerant in the evaporator
and allows
the refrigerant to evaporate at low temperatures
producing the cooling effect (Zohar and Jelinek,
2007).

 :smug:
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
As can be seen in the diagram, the system consists entirely of interconnected pipes all at the same pressure but as the ammonia passes into the hydrogen the pressure of the ammonia drops to virtually zero, as if it were entering a vacuum, because the ammonia molecules can flow freely between the hydrogen molecules.

The pressures indicated in your drawing ("Ammonia Pressure < 1bar, Hydrogen Pressure 15bar) are partial pressures of each gas.  the Gas stream at that point is Hydrogen rich and very little gaseaus Ammonia is present, thus the low partial pressure.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
Just in case anyone can't view the above attachment:


Tom,
Does your assessment match what other researchers have modeled?  If not, why not?

THERMODYNAMIC STUDY OF DIFFUSION ABSORPTION REFRIGERATION SYSTEM WITH ORGANIC FLUID

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The diffusion-absorption cycle utilizes ammonia-water-hydrogen
as working fluid. In this paper, a mathematical model has been established and solved
numerically. The model is based on the mass and energy conservation principles applied for
every components of the DAR system, through which the working fluids flow.
Equations have
been developed to estimate mass flow rate, mass concentration and enthalpy of different fluids
at various state points of the cycle by considering the mass balance and heat balance equations.
Suitable thermodynamic relations have been used for estimating enthalpies at various points
corresponding to their state properties of pressure, temperature and dryness fraction.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
I'm trying to have a friendly conversation about a subject I find facinating, that's all. If you have something constructive to contribute to the conversation, please do. Otherwise I really can't be bothered.
Well, next time I'll not hold back and just show you where you fall down on your science understanding. 

Great, If you have something intelligent to say say it. So far you seem to just be revealing how much you don't know. So if you have some actual corrections to make in something I've said, please enlighten us.


You can find unicorns and candy cane mountain fascinating, doesn't mean it exists anywhere in the present known universe.

You're making fundamental errors in science, math, physics, chemistry, chemical kinetics, chemical thermodynamics, quantum mechanics ... shall i continue?

Sure, like what fundamental errors specifically?

Discovery by the scientific method takes a pretty well known path.  Your hypothesis about Tesla heat engines.  But the next step, building a working model, is where you've fallen flat on your face.  Your math doesn't work, your trying to overturn Boyle's Law (NOT, I might add, Boyle's flippant observation about mixed gasses) with your commentary about Hydrogen being at a higher pressure than Ammonia in the same equilabrated vessel.

Are you denying this? Are you really suggesting that in an absorption refrigeration system, The ammonia does not expand and cool due to experiencing low pressure when combined with Hydrogen in a pressure equalized system? 

 Etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and if this is a schtick then your doing that wrong too since you're not convincing too many people.

If you see a poster by the name "Jet Black" and he comes by the thread with a one liner saying "Nope, won't work."  You might listen since he holds  PhD in physics.

There's a lot of educated and opinionated people on this board.  Ask questions, be a bit humble, because that the poster your conferring with might just hold the patent (or be the person who processed the patent) of the machine your talking about.



Well, I would put reading comprehension down as a first item.

Although details are a bitch, you have to not only read details but also convey details too.
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I applaud your commitment to taking care of your parents.  My wife and I looked after my grandmother for 12 years after her stroke.  It's sad to see the slow but imminent decline of their capacities and reflect that that's you in 20 years, unless your lucky and bite it quickly.  I'm hoping for a massive seizure between 87 and 90 myself.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
I'm trying to have a friendly conversation about a subject I find facinating, that's all. If you have something constructive to contribute to the conversation, please do. Otherwise I really can't be bothered.
Well, next time I'll not hold back and just show you where you fall down on your science understanding.  You can find unicorns and candy cane mountain fascinating, doesn't mean it exists anywhere in the present known universe.

You're making fundamental errors in science, math, physics, chemistry, chemical kinetics, chemical thermodynamics, quantum mechanics ... shall i continue?

Discovery by the scientific method takes a pretty well known path.  Your hypothesis about Tesla heat engines.  But the next step, building a working model, is where you've fallen flat on your face.  Your math doesn't work, your trying to overturn Boyle's Law (NOT, I might add, Boyle's flippant observation about mixed gasses) with your commentary about Hydrogen being at a higher pressure than Ammonia in the same equilabrated vessel.  Etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and if this is a schtick then your doing that wrong too since you're not convincing too many people.

If you see a poster by the name "Jet Black" and he comes by the thread with a one liner saying "Nope, won't work."  You might listen since he holds  PhD in physics.

There's a lot of educated and opinionated people on this board.  Ask questions, be a bit humble, because that the poster your conferring with might just hold the patent (or be the person who processed the patent) of the machine your talking about.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
More like my first swing I bury it in my foot.
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Well sure.  But why on earth is THIS the example you pick?  It seems a prime example of the opposite of what happened so much in your last general election.  Real, old-fashioned foot-leather-wearing investigative journalism.

There are plenty of egegious examples right now of propaganda organisations masquerading as news outlets.  But one way of spotting them is by their LACK of investigation and thorough sourcing.

So I have to ask again; why pick THIS story, of all stories?  One that was meticulously sourced and really very unsensationally reported?

It's not *this* story specifically.  It's this story on the heels of several others of a similar ilk.  It's a media pattern that causes me some concern.

I notice you casting aspersions on the media, literally besmirching their character and integrity and trying to ruin their reputation, based on little more than your own word.

There's a special place in whatever hell you admit to for hypocrisy of this sort.  Especially since it's so blatant and yet unrecognized by you.
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Ditto on George Will, I saw him drift right/looney from the late '80s and stopped paying attention.  He had drunk the Kool-Aide and wasn't coming back.  Only this year when he actually repudiated his relationship with the GOP did he start making a modicum of sense.  But I'm still not paying him any attention since him, like others, should have left the GOP ship when the Newt Gingerich and Pat Buchanan show began in the later '90s.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
Thanks for the game Teeth. from being lynched Day 1 to fucking up town on the last day, I've had a full breadth of experience over the last two games.
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Pandora,
Could you please comment in the "Punch a Nazi" thread?

'k thanx
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
I thought I was fucked after we did the no lynch yesterday.

I didn't have any grand, evil scheme to get out of it by killing nostrum. I just put the kill in on her because she would have been disappointed if I didn't kill her the entire game as scum. ;)
Are you saying I'm overanalyzing this game a bit?
The nostrum kill was obvious ksen culprit, but I talked myself out of it.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
bor,
were you vanilla or a special?
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do you, or do you not, believe the reporters were just doing their jobs by reporting this?
They were doing their jobs, yes.  "Just" doing their jobs, it gets questionable.  Their jobs are to report facts.  Their jobs are not to opine outside of editorials.
{citation needed}
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Pandora, an investigation is PRECISELY what the WaPo conducted.  That's why what those journalists do is called INVESTIGATIVE journalism!  You think journalists shouldn't investigate stuff?
Journalists are not police, nor are they lawyers, nor are they jurors, nor are they judges.
And politics, nor the US Senate, nor any election campaign is a court of law.

This isn't about jurisprudence, I just read that the statute of limitations for this crime in AL, in 1979, has expired. So there is no case to be made on the justice front.

This about Roy Moore the person and if he should represent the State of AL as a sitting US Senator.  Not only is the level of evidence different for this matter, but the nature of investigation is different too.  That's why sitting GOP members ARE reading the story, and sources and corroberrating evidence that WaPo published and coming to a decision pretty quickly.  THEY realize that the WaPo article HAS passed the smell test w.r.t. a political campaign and thus decided that Roy Moore is not wanted as a candidate.

Even IF he was found innocent of actions against this 14 year old in a court of law, the actions of the politicians are independent of the justice of the matter since there are so many more incidents involving teenagers and actions like that tend to put someone in a very bad spotlight when a single bad apple can ruin it for an entire group.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
But in my defense I told you guys I was scum right on Day 1!

http://talkrational.org/index.php/topic,1688.msg129683.html#msg129683

And of course you were scum.  ::)

Nah, well done ksen.

Mike, you absolutely fell for the old 'wine in front of me' trick.
But it was in front of you.


Ah well, scummy ksen played that well. I talked myself into that scenario and just couldn't talk out of it.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
I'm vanilla town.  Truthy true.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
Under pressure the kinetic diameter or "size" of hydrogen is "bigger" than ammonia.
{pressure vs. kinetic diameter chart needed}
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Actually in terms of molecular forces, {define WHAT forces???} hydrogen is "bigger" anyway but this property is magnified at certain temperatures and pressures.
{citations and charts needed}

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Refrigeration, heat pumps, etc. take advantage of these "weird" properties of gases.
{citation needed}
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For all intents and purposes, without getting too complicated or technical,
No , please do get "complicated" and/or "technical".  The devil IS in the details.
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In an absorption ammonia, hydrogen refrigeration system hydrogen is actually bigger in terms of its "kinetic diameter" than ammonia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_diameter
What does this mean?  {pressure vs. kinetic diameter chart needed}

Quite a lot of claims that require some form of support or another.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
Yeah, Hydrogen molecule kinetic diameter of 289 nm is so much larger that ammonia diameter of 260 nm that the ammonia particle is encapsulated by the hydrogen molecules as you stated.

Also this ....

Quantum Mechanical Basis for Kinetic Diameters of Small Gaseous Molecules
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
And yes, I'm calling you ugly borealis (not because I can't find a Lee Van Cleef picture with a noose)
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
First, you guys kind of passed the Good, Bad, Ugly flavor test when I asked you about "Arch Stanton". As you know, the treasure isn't in that grave, but the grave next to it marked "Unknown".


So I got thinking "Why nostrum." and "Why not me." on the night kill.  Yesterday was a bounce and ksen and I voted nostrum while borealis/nostrum voted ksen.

The obvious culprit is ksen; kill nostrum, MikeS and ksen then vote borealis because they are a team, game over.  Plus, ksen couldn't kill me since the borealis/nostrum team was already in play and ksen was dead.  This works the same if borealis was night killed.

But, the obvious play isn't always the correct read, like Tuco above.  ksen as scum, wiith the suspicions already cast above, would have not killed anyone and let another day of suspicion and inuendo work itself out to try and turn either borealis or nostrum to his team for the lynch (I was on his side).

No, this reads like a double-cross.  Borealis was thinking that "If I kill Mike then nostrum can ONLY think that I did it since ksen would never kill Mike."  Same as the ksen plot above.  So borealis killed nostrum to give the obvious culprit scenario onto ksen. But borealis forgot that ksen and I voted nostrum as scum, and since she was night killed there is only one more culprit that COULD do that kill.

So, with that convoluted and flavorful commentary ....



##VOTE borealis final##

And may the chips fall where they may.
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Mafia / Re: Mafia mafia day 6
Got a conference call in a couple minutes.  I'll final vote before noon and get this over with.
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Haha, her goats are all bunched up, too, and without any predatory electric fences or mobile cages.
That IS manipulative.

ETA:  RAFH, remove your post right now!!! (4 seconds, damn)