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Messages - borealis

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Nah, he's looking for one of these:

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You frequently quack like a duck, has any one identified you as an actual duck? No, of course not, because 'quack like a duck' is metaphorical.
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Pingu: "mutations aren't mistakes."

Ayala:

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Ayala, Francisco J., "The Mechanisms of Evolution," Scientific American, vol. 239 (September 1978), pp. 56-69.
p. 58
"A mutation can be considered an error in the replication of DNA prior to its translation into protein."

Lol

Important Words: "can be considered"

Subtle distinctions in the definition and interpretation of words: consider: "error" vs "mistake"
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Science / Re: Re: Those footprints in Crete
http://talkrational.org/index.php/topic,1531.0.html

Search function sucks ass.

What search term did you use to find it? Mine evidently sucked.
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Does this have to be an Either God Or Evolution question?
Isn't it possible that evolution itself is God's design?
Why would God do things the same way we humans would? I think it is arrogant of any human to claim to understand the mind of God.
Well, if God made evolution, there's not a lot else left for him to do. He could just sit back and watch. Or just leave.
Also, does evolution need creating? If evolution doesn't need God to exist, what is he even for?

That's essentially the Deist position, iirc, that god set the universe in motion and then effed off somewhere.
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Does this have to be an Either God Or Evolution question?
Isn't it possible that evolution itself is God's design?
Why would God do things the same way we humans would? I think it is arrogant of any human to claim to understand the mind of God.
Well, if God made evolution, there's not a lot else left for him to do. He could just sit back and watch. Or just leave.
Also, does evolution need creating? If evolution doesn't need God to exist, what is he even for?

Not just living things, but the entire universe is evolving, and has been since the Big Bang. We cannot explain what caused the BB and if something came from nothing. Until or unless we can, I think there is room for some people to have a belief in a Creator God. At least, I can't see how anyone can positively rule out the possibility by using any sort of logic and science, including software.

"What Happened Before the Big Bang" is the universal God Question outside of fundamentalism.

But other questions get raised - for example, as a rule, Christians don't believe anything has a soul except humans (outside of those heretic sentimentalists who expect their dogs to go to heaven), which opens the case of the first ensouled human. At what point did two proto-humans have a child which became the evolved Adam? How tragic would it be, were heaven real, to find your parents, perhaps siblings too, soulless and not entitled to eternal life? How cruel is a god that works that way?

Not that many current versions of god aren't inherently cruel, they certainly are.
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Does this have to be an Either God Or Evolution question?
Isn't it possible that evolution itself is God's design?
Why would God do things the same way we humans would? I think it is arrogant of any human to claim to understand the mind of God.


This is exactly what Theistic evolutionists do believe, and there are veritable hordes of them. That is in fact the official stance of all three of the largest Christian denominations in Canada - that God created life, including humans, via evolution. That's a very simple definition of what is a very complex bit of theology which is variously interpreted, often relative to how much the individual believer actually understands about the antiquity of the planet and the sciences of biology, evolution, geology, physics, etc.

Dave's stance, rooted in the conservative fundamentalism of the American Bible Belt, is a minority position among western Christians.

I personally know lots of Christians. Only a very few would side with Dave and the fundamentalists.
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Science / Re: Those footprints in Crete
CBC article:

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Many of the reactions to the Trachilos discovery were negative, to say the least. Ahlberg has been publishing papers since 1989 -- including in Nature and Science -- and had never experienced anything like this before.
"We got ferociously aggressive responses saying this couldn't possibly be true and these can't be footprints at all," said Ahlberg. "In every round [of reviews], there would be at least one, and sometimes several, reviewers who were in the first instance savagely hostile. They would just flatly deny that these would be human or hominin footprints. They would say almost anything -- they're bear or monkey [tracks] or whatever."
Ahlberg shared some of the reviews with CBC, and they appeared to match his descriptions, but warned that they could not be reproduced for confidentiality reasons.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/human-footprints-greece?cnis=9c11e2ea-feb7-4318-827d-21bb7f62551e*C*1195*0*0*A

I thought there was an earlier thread about this controversial find, but I can't locate it with search.
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How does someone unironically give a thread this title?

Be a Biblical inerrantist who thinks the planet is less than 10,000 years old, Noah's Flood was real, and evolution is a lie
Be an arrogant egocentric authoritarian with an inflated belief in the superiority of one's own intellect.
Be a person who rarely reads anything through but just skims for affirming cherry picked quotes.
Be a male supremacist in everything but admission.
Be Dave Hawkins.

That would be your 'how'.
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"There is a new class of software that is quite a bit more like biological systems."

Wait.

Why?

I thought biological software was "bad design".

Wow.

Take the time to understand what people are saying. You'll garner a modicum of respect even if you disagree. As it is, you might as well be farting into the wind for all the sense you're making.
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Not that Dave will understand what pingu just said. :(
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CAT!

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Rumours of three warrants going to the UK, recipients unknown (lol  :pisstape:  )
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He woo hoos sex with kids so not that far out of the realm of possibility he would lol @ killing them too.
this is a great example of the mental debauchery that many people who post here have. When you lie to yourself and to everyone else constantly, then you say nonsensical things like this. The truth is I woohoo with those who are woo-hooing ( the Young Bride and her elderly groom for example ) and I am sympathetic toward those who are not woo-hooing such as all those poor families that were victims of the shooting.

Bullshit. You're, afaik, still reading and applauding some of the people who've been smearing those kids for days.
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Oh ya sure ... that's what I was loling

It's hard to tell, Dave.

Earlier you thought Greiten's crimes were funny as all hell, and your response re the Florida kids made no sense in context unless you literally had nfi what we were talking about.

You laugh at really inappropriate posts all the time. Nobody can read your mind.
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Dave, are you aware that there was a school shooting recently?

I was wondering that myself. He's made no reference to it, at least that I have seen. I don't know how he could have missed it, given how wrenchingly tragic and massively reported, but I suppose if you never watched television and only checked specific political stories/figures (such as Mueller/Nunes etc.) on rwnj media you might conceivably not have realised or recognised references to it.
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WTF? @ Borealis

Pay some fucking attention to the real world. Or even the other politics threads on TR.
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I'm actually poking fun at the Republican Party. Now don't fall out of your chairs in shock.

What you should be doing, but probably won't, is re-evaluating your political affinities to see just where, when, and by whom you were so disastrously led astray.


how exactly was I disastrously let astray?

As testy says: you are using sources that  call traumatised and justifiably vocal teenaged survivors of a horrendous school shooting 'crisis actors', and laud the Trumps while Don Jr is also agreeing with the same lunatic evil lies. That's just this single current instance of your republican 'party of family values' actions against Americans - in this case against actual American children.

I still believe that somewhere under your antagonistic nature, there is a decent human being who means well. If in fact you've actually bought into the rwnj 'press' attempt to silence, devalue, and delegitimise the deaths of 17 kids, the wounds of many more, and the righteous outrage of their peers by making up blatant lies and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about them, then you are lost. You do know all the kids who've spoken up and been identified in the media have received hundreds of death threats from other rabid Republicans who read and believe the same sources you so frequently quote.
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I'm actually poking fun at the Republican Party. Now don't fall out of your chairs in shock.

What you should be doing, but probably won't, is re-evaluating your political affinities to see just where, when, and by whom you were so disastrously led astray.

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Hey Dave, do you know where your GOP Governor is tonight?
lol, party of family values
Can't have families without a little hanky panky :wave:
OK I just read what that was all about.

dave, I admit I'm having some difficulty discerning if YOU ARE FUCKING SERIOUS HERE. Care to elaborate?
It's a joke.

A JOKE? What exactly is funny about it? Seriously, no one involved is laughing it off - not the humiliated and threatened woman who made the mistake of having an affair with an entitled slimeball, not Grieten's family for sure, not the sane people of Missouri who surely hope that their Governor has at least an average moral character, not his party, embarrassed once again by the criminal-minded and stupid assholes they seem to attract so frequently and promote to high places.

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Sports / Re: Winter Olympics 2018
National pride aside, I love watching women's hockey. It's entirely personal bias, but I just find the moves and strategies so savagely elegant and precise. Men's hockey is exciting, but doesn't grab my attention in the same way.
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Hey Dave, do you know where your GOP Governor is tonight?
lol, party of family values
Can't have families without a little hanky panky :wave:

Are you fucking serious? The man tried to blackmail his mistress. He was arrested and charged. Are you unaware, or simply so immoral that you think shit like that is perfectly normal and amusing?
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so meep, remind me again how you and your husband don't strangle each other

Have you not seen meep's cakes and pastries and Ty's stews, drawings and potato guns?

Also they are up to their ears in pets.
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Hey Dave, do you know where your GOP Governor is tonight?
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The Soap Opera / Re: Who deleted the topic?
I thought it was hilarious

So, before you start slinging accusations:
I thought it was a TR tradition

I may have been feeling a little short-tempered when you posted.

Do not taunt elderly Canadian TR admin in goddamn February.