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"In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.
Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared."

$558 million over seven years.  That isn't even pocket change compared with government funding of alarmist science.  In fact it isn't even the bits of fluff hiding amongst the pocket change.  But oh noes - the fiends are trying to hide it!

How much of that money went into actual science?

How much of that money went toward supporting a PR agenda?

Apples with apples and all that.
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In any case, I AM thinking holistically and have been for years ... (Lol that you think I haven't been) ...

Here's my original one I posted a year or two ago ...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The thing is, Dave, that you have your own private definitions of these words.  What you are doing is not "holistic".  It is highly compartmentalised, and ignores the impact a pattern of settlement that you envisage would have on the sustainability of whole system if you were to scale it up.  The most important being travel and transport infrastructure.

You are giving David way too much credit.

In Davetopia noone will want to travel or work and little transport will be needed. They will all be blissfully living the good life and want for nothing more than a jug of warm milk and a clean bucket. In their haystacks. Noone will ever want to leave the hovel. That will be the whole system.

Discussing such esoterica is pointless, noone will need or want them.
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Recent EEROI study of wheat and rice in Pakistan

https://ideas.repec.org/a/gam/jsusta/v3y2011i12p2358-2391d15148.html

So what you are claiming is that you are managing to sustain an EROI roughly equivalent to Pakistan yet woefully deficient when compared to ancient Rome.

Well, OK, I guess.  :dunno:
What I have been doing for the past year and a half is a test system. And it has a EROI similar to Walter Haugen's production system. So fuck you.  When I add all the other animals, it should be double the Roman system.  when I grow my sheep flock to a decent size, that will leave the Roman system far behind in the dust.  is it environment or heredity that makes you such an idiot?

So far all you have managed is to not kill 2 goats on 10 acres of highly fertile land. Call it a test if you like. Call it Wendy. Call it whatever floats your boat. Just don't expect to call it saving the world or regenerative agriculture or HMG or whatever and be treated seriously.
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Having trouble working out what trafficking has to do with that.
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Recent EEROI study of wheat and rice in Pakistan

https://ideas.repec.org/a/gam/jsusta/v3y2011i12p2358-2391d15148.html

So what you are claiming is that you are managing to sustain an EROI roughly equivalent to Pakistan yet woefully deficient when compared to ancient Rome.

Well, OK, I guess.  :dunno:
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This thread is so annoying. Each day I open it up to find 6 pages (yay). Then I start reading them to see that the actual progress of discussion is ........nothing (boo). Dave needs to focus more on understanding, rather than getting confused by every little tangent he finds.

Steady on, David works really hard at finding little tangents to confuse himself on.

Plus his TROI (Tard Return On Investment) is astronomical, so credit where credits due I guess.  :dunno:
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Sithrak? Is that another name for Crom?

looky here

Don't read any other pages tho. It's rood! And crass!
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Embrace Sithrak, the god who hates you unconditionally.
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Sithrak is the answer.
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How many sheep have you personally "maintained"?
For how long?

:icare:

Talk about arrogant "high and mighty" dismissiveness.  ::)
Exactly zero.  For exactly zero years.

And you have the gall to dismiss my aunt's years of experience ...
Yes.

With good reason.  You told me all I need to know to understand that she is working too much.
Even though you have never had sheep.

Strikes me as pretty arrogant.
Would it be arrogant for a tribesman in a remote jungle tribe to come to America and watch Americans take Tylenol for head ache relief for 6 months, then return to his tribe and announce to his tribesmen that - although he has very limited experience with these pills - he is confident that they work better for headache relief than applying cow dung mixed with spittle to the head?
  Your suckage at science is exceeded only by your suckage at analogies.

(Though, to be fair, both suckages may just be manifestations of one deeper underlying suckage.)

Speaking of suckage, that milker is straight vacuum.

There's reasons most milkers pulse.

Ask anyone who's breastfed which they'd prefer.
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So....this milking machine that requires no cleaning. It got a name? A brand? A model no.?
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Dave, how are you recovering dryer heat?
Hahahaha

Alfonso take note.  If you're going to post garbage, at least make it funny like zombies does.

I.e. a dryer would inferfere with David's majic flameproof straw, causing a disturbance in the farce.
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Jorgen Jorgensorenssenson didn't need no stinkin c's and neither do they!
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
So ammonia, with an atomic mass if 17ish, and containing 3 hydrogen atoms, is much smaller than a single hydrogen atom, with an atomic mass of 1ish?

That's very interesting, wonderful the things we know nowadays, "and that, my leige, is how we know the world to be banana shaped".

Indeed.
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)
 :facepalm:
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Science / Re: Tesla's heat engine (split from DDWFTTW)

WTF?

NH3

N

     H
            
           3
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True.  We live in a fucked up society  where  people get paid large sums to do the weirdest things while at the same time many people who provide essential products and services  are barely able to feed house and close their families.

Translation: "Waah, no-one buys my bullshit"
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Science / Re: Flowers for Algernon
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"The size of your cage does not determine your stocking rate David."

The arrogance.

It would be bad enough if he knew what he was talking about. Since he doesn't, I feel kind of sorry for him.


Im a gunna git me one o these!

I'll be a HMG superstar. Yay me  :cheer:

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I was low ... Chad Peterson get as high as 1.8 million lbs per acre at times.

http://magissues.farmprogress.com/BeefProducer/BP05May09/bp04.pdf
That is pretty insane. If it's 1,000 lbs per cow, that's only about 25 square feet per cow. That's too little room for a cow to even turn around in.

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He moves slowly, watching the cattle and mentally metering cattle movement and watching for signs of stress. He wants to see the cattle grazing but also exploring the new area. Too much grazing and not enough exploring means they were too hungry when moved, for example.

Both Peterson and his now former hired grazier, Nate Chisholm, are students of Bud Williams, the livestock handling guru now living at Bowie, Texas.

In fact, Peterson says, he tries to use Williams' concept of pressure and release throughout each day as he uses his highest stock densities in the morning and then decreases them somewhat through the day.

Hmm. Are you moving your goats slowly and watching for signs of stress during the move? Are you checking to see if they are exploring the new area rather than immediately grazing? Are you lowering stock density at any point in the day?
I did at first until I got the program adjusted.  I guess you ignored all those posts but now you think you're the expert and can  tell me how to do it.  What an asshole.

It's because he DIDN'T ignore those posts that he knows that you aren't doing it.

You are the asshole, Dave.  Ben just pointed out that you aren't doing what your claimed grand-guru advocates.
No. You're confused. He claimed that my density is insanely high so I pointed out that Chad Peterson's density is higher than mine.

How is your density high?

How many times per day are you currently moving your two goats inabox?
My density is about 4 pounds per square foot. Maybe 5. So that's under 200,000 pounds per acre.   Chad Peterson runs as high as 1.8 million pounds per acre at times.

The size of your cage does not determine your stocking rate David.

It doesn't even determine your density, what with the multiple moves per day thing.

So how many moves per day will give a more accurate indication of density wrt pastured area.


Ok, lets see. On the stocking rate thing.

Lets say you have huge 150kg goats. That's about 330 pounds each, so 660 pounds of goat.

Let's also say you have 8 acres, what coz cages can't be dragged through trees and all. That's 348480 square feet according to google.

660 divided by 348480 is 0.0012 pounds per square foot.

That's some pretty dense stocking rate you've got there.

"U r idjit" in 3...2...1...
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I was low ... Chad Peterson get as high as 1.8 million lbs per acre at times.

http://magissues.farmprogress.com/BeefProducer/BP05May09/bp04.pdf
That is pretty insane. If it's 1,000 lbs per cow, that's only about 25 square feet per cow. That's too little room for a cow to even turn around in.

Note though:
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He moves slowly, watching the cattle and mentally metering cattle movement and watching for signs of stress. He wants to see the cattle grazing but also exploring the new area. Too much grazing and not enough exploring means they were too hungry when moved, for example.

Both Peterson and his now former hired grazier, Nate Chisholm, are students of Bud Williams, the livestock handling guru now living at Bowie, Texas.

In fact, Peterson says, he tries to use Williams' concept of pressure and release throughout each day as he uses his highest stock densities in the morning and then decreases them somewhat through the day.

Hmm. Are you moving your goats slowly and watching for signs of stress during the move? Are you checking to see if they are exploring the new area rather than immediately grazing? Are you lowering stock density at any point in the day?
I did at first until I got the program adjusted.  I guess you ignored all those posts but now you think you're the expert and can  tell me how to do it.  What an asshole.

It's because he DIDN'T ignore those posts that he knows that you aren't doing it.

You are the asshole, Dave.  Ben just pointed out that you aren't doing what your claimed grand-guru advocates.
No. You're confused. He claimed that my density is insanely high so I pointed out that Chad Peterson's density is higher than mine.

How is your density high?

How many times per day are you currently moving your two goats inabox?
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Compared to conventionally grazed pasture, the stocking rate with HMG can be much higher. At least double and in some cases 3 to 4X.

Ambit claims are not data and you have been (repeatedly) pointed toward quite a lot of data which suggests otherwise. Blandly ignoring it while repeating talking points doesn't make it go away.