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I'm still trying to understand how liberals are better at being shitheaded retards than conservatives are.
Heh. All things are possible in a post factual age.
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we might end up needing blanket amnesty and a truth and reconciliation commission, S. Africa style. Jesus christ.

What we need is a guillotine on the National Mall, French Revolution style.
That too.
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The rural poor benefit disporportionately from minimum wage increases, given cost of living considerations. And they do get food assistance. Lots of it. I don't get this crazy myth that urban blacks... erm, poor people generally, get secret magic benefits.
I had a cousin try to tell me he was denied medicaid because he was white.  I asked him if that's the actual reason they gave him.  he said no, of course they're not going to say that, but he could just tell.  he added that his Mexican friend Bob did get medicaid, despite having a higher salary.  before I could ask any more questions, his sister chimed in and pointed out that Bob lived in a different state, which had expanded medicaid, whereas my male cousin lived in one that didn't, and suggested that was the real reason.  (I don't know for a fact that it is, but he is in about the right income range for that to explain it.)  then male cousin goes on an all-caps rant calling his sister "A CONDESCENDING BITCH".  (we're not an italian family, so we don't say things like that to each other lightly.)  he went on for a while.  I think there was something in there about "obama's true agenda".

anyway, it sounds like Pandora buys into this kkk myth that white people can't get public assistance.
I didn't read that into her posts, but then, not being on Facebook, I haven't been triggered to look for that.
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I have also traditionally been a lot more sympathetic towards rural America until they collectively voted to hurt people I love.
That does make it tough. And Trump is affecting people in terrible ways across the board. There comes a point when burning it down and starting over can seem like the only path forward. That is a trip we would like to avoid though because that's also what Tim McVeigh thought.
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51%, final offer.

ETA: I might have missed some of your topics but the princess and magic fish lake were pretty spectacular fails. Sometimes you just have to suck it up an move on. :)
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we might end up needing blanket amnesty and a truth and reconciliation commission, S. Africa style. Jesus christ.
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That said, Pandora has been saying a lot more in this thread, than simply that the rural poor are human.

For fuck's sake, you guys have been condemning me for years now.  And 90% of the time, it's based on some twisted reframing of something I've said. 
I'm gonna suggest a number closer to 40.
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From my perspective,  she's engaged pretty honestly and modified her positions when she's discovered discrepancies.  That's actually more than I can say for lots of people. We arrive at our positions by assembling and synthesizing our experiences including the information we encounter along the way. When those positions don't change with further experiences it's a reasonable hypothesis that the individual that doesn't modify their position is stuck in an ideological bubble and is unlikely to be particularly useful in real world community problem solving.

Not pointing any fingers or expressing support for any position put forward here, but I'm not sure why the meme of Pandora being a bot or a horrible person is as quickly referenced as it is. Her past positions seem to be substantially modified to me.
TR needs someone to hate.
American need someone to hate.
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A lot of us disagree with Teeth, that the countryside should be emptied, and the poor made into soup--or whatever hyperbolic position he wants to take on a given day. Even if this thread has fallen more towards Teethism than most do.

That said, Pandora has been saying a lot more in this thread, than simply that the rural poor are human.
Well, she has been repeating conservative talking points which suggests a bit about where she is getting her news but she's also presenting her information, such as it is, and accepts factual arguments regarding that information. When you start out with magic fish lake and taking the princess's side, it's not hard to go up from there. But FWIW, she has a lot of opinions which I disagree with but she presents them as hers and subjects them to scrutiny. There's not a whole lot more than that I can think of considering it reasonable to ask of people. IMO, it's preferable to blanket condemnation followed by lol. People are a product of their environment. There is not much different between ideologues regardless of the differences in their respective ideologies. In the end, it's a call for a dictatorship with them as dictator which doesn't go very far with me. YMMV.

In a world as complex as ours, focusing on outcomes eventually requires dealing with those standing in the way of those outcomes. If we instead focus on processes of dialog, we will at least be able to have some feelings of goodwill as we slowly drown in our effluent and maybe stand a chance of addressing the issue. If we don't, we will drown that much quicker or else accept a police state and mass suffering and have bad feelings while we are sinking.
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From my perspective,  she's engaged pretty honestly and modified her positions when she's discovered discrepancies.  That's actually more than I can say for lots of people. We arrive at our positions by assembling and synthesizing our experiences including the information we encounter along the way. When those positions don't change with further experiences it's a reasonable hypothesis that the individual that doesn't modify their position is stuck in an ideological bubble and is unlikely to be particularly useful in real world community problem solving.

Not pointing any fingers or expressing support for any position put forward here, but I'm not sure why the meme of Pandora being a bot or a horrible person is as quickly referenced as it is. Her past positions seem to be substantially modified to me.
[citation needed]
Education is the one that stuck out to me when her position changed because I notice education but I'm pretty sure she has mentioned that her former obsession with the free rider problem in economics has given way to something more pragmatic. Also, it may be worth noting that she's catching flack for refusing to condemn an entire class of people. All she has done is expressed some compassion for the fact that people might have issues that don't conform to the sorts of solutions teeth can't even imagine aren't objective truths.

And that, I suggest, is a pretty dramatic change from the princess days. I could be wrong about her opinions, but I am also uncomfortable with the trend of blanket condemnation and implication that exclusion of large groups is good policy. As much as I disagree with everything the republican party stands for and the trump party even more, I can't support straight up writing people off. Fundy xians are waging a war. We can fight it as a war but if we're not looking for a political solution, then we're stuck with hate which engenders hate until we make authoritarian police state a necessity instead of just a fringe movement.

People have different values and that's a fact about the world. That fact won't change if we condemn those with different values without engaging them. In fact, it just makes it worse.
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And no one caring
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From my perspective,  she's engaged pretty honestly and modified her positions when she's discovered discrepancies.  That's actually more than I can say for lots of people. We arrive at our positions by assembling and synthesizing our experiences including the information we encounter along the way. When those positions don't change with further experiences it's a reasonable hypothesis that the individual that doesn't modify their position is stuck in an ideological bubble and is unlikely to be particularly useful in real world community problem solving.

Not pointing any fingers or expressing support for any position put forward here, but I'm not sure why the meme of Pandora being a bot or a horrible person is as quickly referenced as it is. Her past positions seem to be substantially modified to me.
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So, you are saying that you totally loved wonder woman and own the dvd?
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I don't even think there is anything wrong with wanting to live a simple, rural, old-fashioned lifestyle.  if you want to do that and it makes you happy, good for you.  but I find it enormously frustrating to watch people struggle financially because they insist on working in a dead industry in a dead town and refuse every option to get out of that dead end situation, because they are too scared to leave their comfort zone.
Or you know... their family and the friends they've known their entire life, their elderly parents who need help around the house, their church and their community, etc.

Yeah, just totally too scared.  Not even a remote possibility that there might be a wee bit more to it than your one-dimensional worldview allows for, hmm?
by "comfort zone" I'm not just talking about where you live, i also mean willingness to try other lines of work.  if your job ceases to exist, and you don't want to move, then the only reasonable option is to try a new line of work.  if you refuse to do that, and instead demand the government subsidize your old industry to maybe bring back your old job, you are being a gigantic baby.
And?
Oh. Is this the reference? I just meant, what's new? Everybody is always being a gigantic baby. That's not a news flash.
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testy, I understand you feel especially strongly that a stable life should be possible, and we shouldn't all be expected to sacrifice ourselves on the altar of the free market.  and of course you're right about all that.  and that's why we have a social safety net, and do other things like free retraining programs to help absorb the shock.  probably we'll have to go further, with ubi and expansion of public works projects, etc.

but if there's a notion here that people are entitled to work in the particular industry they know and like, even if it requires large and sustained public intervention to prop up, I see problems with that.  a principle like that is not reasonable unless it can be applied to everyone.  and there's no way that kind of thinking can be applied to everyone.  the money to prop up every dying industry indefinitely simply does not exist.  I hope you don't think we should have been subsidizing, e.g., vhs repairmen for the last 25 years since CD's edged them out, by paying them to fix machines no one is using (which would possibly have to be bought for the sole purpose of being intentionally broken so vhs repairmen could fix them).  I hope you agree that a transition has to happen at some point.
I am not sure what this is about? Getting a job is a proxy for not starving in our society? I tend to agree with that I guess. Company towns involve the companies that support those towns. When those companies are no longer viable, it seems natural to me that you either need new companies, or the down dries up and blows away. I don't support supporting industry by externalizing the costs.
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"What is it that you do Dave, and how does it saving the world?  I understand you spend hours driving yourself around, by yourself?"

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is an honest question so I will answer it. I am impressed with your personal lifestyle and with your work which involves recycling metals. That's laudable.

As for what I'm doing, one way to look at it is that I'm doing two things... (1)  working an unsustainable town job to finance the unsustainable lifestyle of my ex-wife and kids, and the unsustainable parts of my own lifestyle which include things at present like buying boxed cereal which is the product of destructive tillage and annual monocropping  (2)  gradually transitioning myself away from the unsustainable parts of my own lifestyle in such a way that  these practices can be easily and inexpensively duplicated by others. 
You know, a friend of mine with a pretty amazing garden space (he lives out of town so it's like 100x200 ft.) grows a small plot of oats. He rolls them with a pair of round stones he made or bought I dunno which and stores them in 1 gallon zip lock bags. It has never occurred to me to ask what kind of yield they get, I'm guessing they plant around 100 sq ft or so, but it seems like it's kind of a lot because they give their kids oatmeal for breakfast often enough that they talk about it. They don't plant the seed underground I think because they don't weed that area, the oats just grow taller than the cover crop. Might be.worth looking into.
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Most hotdogs are crappy 80% rusk things where you barely have any meat in them anyway. Proper sausages however (and by extension proper frankfurters), couldn't be more different.
That's what I meant.
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I don't know how reasonable it is to imagine everyone raising their own cattle, but in some few decades, it might be possible for everyone to grow their own beef. Think every home having a personal cultured meat vat, fed with leftover produce. Some of that produce could come from community rooftop gardens.



Which might be a bit utopian, but great strides are being made towards perfecting cultured meat.

An additional alternative is that we develop suitable substitutes for meat as well. Some of the best 'meat' dishes I eat have no meat in them. I'll take vegetarian (soy based) hotdogs over meat hotdogs any day. Similarly tofu instead of beef in stir fry type dishes.
Veggie dogs are ok but I live ten blocks or so from fotos sausages that make some of the best dogs in the world (consistently in America's top ten winners) and let me just say they are better than veggie dogs and not overly expensive either.
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I don't even think there is anything wrong with wanting to live a simple, rural, old-fashioned lifestyle.  if you want to do that and it makes you happy, good for you.  but I find it enormously frustrating to watch people struggle financially because they insist on working in a dead industry in a dead town and refuse every option to get out of that dead end situation, because they are too scared to leave their comfort zone.
Or you know... their family and the friends they've known their entire life, their elderly parents who need help around the house, their church and their community, etc.

Yeah, just totally too scared.  Not even a remote possibility that there might be a wee bit more to it than your one-dimensional worldview allows for, hmm?
by "comfort zone" I'm not just talking about where you live, i also mean willingness to try other lines of work.  if your job ceases to exist, and you don't want to move, then the only reasonable option is to try a new line of work.  if you refuse to do that, and instead demand the government subsidize your old industry to maybe bring back your old job, you are being a gigantic baby.
And?
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https://www.visitleevalley.org.uk/en/content/cms/nature/nature.../tottenham-marshes/

Coincidentally this opened to the public a couple of weeks ago. Its a short walk from my house.

I live in London. Population 8.7m
Likewise, this is in my city, walking distance from my old apartment:
https://www.fow.org/
I live in se Portland. Within walking distance there are at least 5 giant parks that you could spend a day or more exploring. How the fuck I got so lucky is beyond me.
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Idgaf about people living old fashioned rural lives but what I do gaf about is when those people demand their lifestyle and no one else's be subsidized.
Lol... Okay, now that I'm done giggling...

Why don't we take a look at the impact of city-based legislation within states?  ALL of WA is now paying for a high-speed rail that will serve a very small portion of WA.  The entirety of Eastern WA gets slapped with all sorts of cost-burdens, so that urban-dwellers in the very tiny footprint of Seattle can have better lives.  There are all sorts of state-assisted programs available for the poor as long as they live in cities - if they live in rural areas, well fuck-em.  They don't count, they're backwards ignorant hillbillies who don't deserve the assistance of their urban betters  ::)

For fuck's sake, do you have any idea at all exactly how much assistance and revenue goes to helping cities?  Do you have any idea how little of any kind of assistance goes to rural areas?

And you want to blather on about how it's so uppity of those nearly un-subsidized people in "fly-over" areas to demand that they should have some of the benefits of a modern society too!  How dare they! 
Lookit this dishonest shitshow. A very small portion of WA will be served by the rail? You sure about that?  Are you speaking geographically, or by population? Because most of the population of the state of WA actually lives in the general vicinity of the area where the rail's being built.
Rail in densely populated areas is almost always worth it.
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As a Jewish man, I really do not know what to make of this. Like 90% of the accused men so far are Jews. I dunno if it just happens to be that there are a lot of powerful Jewish men in the media and this is just a product of whichever men are in power will be shitbags or what, but I honestly can't help but feel there's something fucked up about this.

I suspect the first is the reality. Lots of powerful Jewish men in media, and that goes back to a few generations of probable community nepotism, where sons and sons-in-law were more likely to be aware of the industry, more likely to think they could work in it, and perhaps got a little help from relatives in the industry. This happens everywhere - the railroads used to be very good well paid jobs in this province, but you wouldn't get hired if you weren't related to or married into a family that was already established with the company. Half the local fishermen are either named 'Babcock' or are married to a 'Babcock', or their grandparent wa a 'Babcock'.

OTOH, my mother was really uncomfortable when I started dating a Jewish guy. I was appalled, since I didn't think she had those kinds of prejudices, but it turned out the boy's father had gotten my mother's cousin pregnant in 1935 and had abandoned her, so it was a 'sins of the father' prejudice, not his Jewishness. Maybe older Jewish guys have habitually been a little more careless with young gentile women, seeing as their mothers didn't want them to marry those girls. Prejudice flows in many directions and from many cultural founts.

Yes, the fact that your mom judged an entire ethnic group on the actions of one man was not at all due to bigotry, I'm sure.

Way to completely misread what I wrote. She judged one man's son on the actions of his father, not on the basis of his ethnicity or religion, dumbass. She was fine with the other Jewish guys I dated later. One of them was even American.  :awgee:

You wrote:

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OTOH, my mother was really uncomfortable when I started dating a Jewish guy.

So maybe your mom was blaming the son for the father's behavior, but in context of the rest of the shit you say afterwards and the fact that you bring this up every single time there's a discussion about antisemitism, I'm not really convinced that this is all as innocuous as you make it out to be. Especially your conclusion that this one incident where a man did not marry a woman is indicative of some deeper cultural problem of Jewish men not respecting white women because we're all momma's boys.

I'm just going to let you think about what you've said here.
Teeth, sometimes a cigar is really a dick but not very often.
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I'm starting to think Democrats are suicidal.

I'm starting to wish you were suicidal
You've always wished that.  You're a pretty remarkably uncharitable human.
The word you're looking for is entitled.
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That is so depressing I might be suicidal soon.
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Dave, you could address the C14 data and how it falsifies YEC, instead of running away like a chicken shit numpty.
You mean a topic you can pretend to know something about? Since you don't know anything about this topic? ( and it's tough pretending because I DO know something about this topic )
Dave, you are an idiot.