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Annual Blue Hill Observatory Climate Data
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This topic is going to be huge.
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I'm investigating the "Date of first ripe blueberrys" graph in depth.

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Wind Speed Decrease

The annual mean wind speed has been dropping steadily since around 1980, and BHO staff are investigating the possible causes with our extensive data sets.  We are also working in collaboration with a scientist from Spain, Cesar Azorin-Molina, who specializes in this topic in Western Europe where decreasing wind speeds are also being observed. Among the potential causes of the wind speed drop being investigated are the regional regrowth of vegetation, which can slow surface wind speeds, or shifts in the storm track, which may be caused by changes in the general circulation in response to climate change.

Bright Sunshine Trends

A Campbell-Stokes sunshine recorder has been in use to measure bright sunshine duration at BHO since 1886, and this represents the longest such record of sunshine in North America. Trends in recent decades are believed to be related to global dimming (in the 1970s and 1980s) and subsequent global brightening (since 1990) due to the increase and the later reduction of atmospheric aerosols over these decades. Work is in progress to distinguish the combined effects of clouds and aerosols on the sunshine record.  We are investigating this topic in collaboration with other researchers in Spain.  In addition, recently tabulated daily sunshine data have been studied to assess the presence of climate change signals, and a journal article based on this work was recently published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

http://bluehill.org/observatory/2014/06/current-blue-hill-observatory-research-projects/
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That will be the bird and bat choppers beloved of mentally ill pseudoscientists sucking energy out of the wind  :sadyes:

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That's not even an idea being floated around while trying to explain the worldwide slow down of wind.  (it's far too small amount of energy to influence large scale systems)
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I know.  It was my poor parody of the sans evidence assertions that tiny changes in trace compound atmospheric molecular composition are driving this planet into a Venusian-like climate. 

Will look at the data later.

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You two should take up anti-vax campaigning. It'd be right up your alley. Perhaps creationism too, while you're at it.
Truth is out of style

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I know.
I figured you did.  My comment was for the lurkers.


























(that statement is also not actually true)
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I know.  It was my poor parody of the sans evidence assertions that tiny changes in trace compound atmospheric molecular composition are driving this planet into a Venusian-like climate. 
The argument from feelings perfectly exemplified here. Basically Cephus0 is saying "I don't FEEL that a "tiny" change in "trace" compund atmospheric composition is driving climate change".  It has all the right components for an argument from the feelsies. It arbitrarily calls the cause a "tiny" change, highlights that it is a change in a "trace" gas, and contrasts it with something that sounds huge, The climate of THE ENTIRE PLANET is being driven into a "Venusian-like" state.

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Science vs. the Feelies
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"At least you can fucking die and leave North Korea." - Christopher Hitchens

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You two should take up anti-vax campaigning. It'd be right up your alley. Perhaps creationism too, while you're at it.

Why would we do that?  There isn't any evidence in support of an anti-vax stance or young earth creationism that I'm aware of.  Have you any idea how hysterical you appear when you make these bulging-eyed assertions?

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I know.  It was my poor parody of the sans evidence assertions that tiny changes in trace compound atmospheric molecular composition are driving this planet into a Venusian-like climate. 
The argument from feelings perfectly exemplified here. Basically Cephus0 is saying "I don't FEEL that a "tiny" change in "trace" compund atmospheric composition is driving climate change".  It has all the right components for an argument from the feelsies. It arbitrarily calls the cause a "tiny" change, highlights that it is a change in a "trace" gas, and contrasts it with something that sounds huge, The climate of THE ENTIRE PLANET is being driven into a "Venusian-like" state.

Potholer54:
Science vs. the Feelies


The only "feelings" I have on this issue are sympathy for you and the rest of your cult suffering with your extreme unsupported belief syndrome.  Otherwise I'm just waiting for someone to provide a single shred of evidence demonstrating that carbon dioxide is causing net runaway heating of the atmosphere.

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The only "feelings" I have on this issue are sympathy for you and the rest of your cult suffering with your extreme unsupported belief syndrome.
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You two should take up anti-vax campaigning. It'd be right up your alley. Perhaps creationism too, while you're at it.

Why would we do that?  There isn't any evidence in support of an anti-vax stance or young earth creationism that I'm aware of.  Have you any idea how hysterical you appear when you make these bulging-eyed assertions?
Totally. You should see how much my eyes are bulging. Monckton and goldfish got nothing on me, mate. It is difficult to post while running hysterically around the room screaming, but I'm pretty good at multitasking.
Truth is out of style

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No, you are not.
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I know.  It was my poor parody of the sans evidence assertions that tiny changes in trace compound atmospheric molecular composition are driving this planet into a Venusian-like climate. 
The argument from feelings perfectly exemplified here. Basically Cephus0 is saying "I don't FEEL that a "tiny" change in "trace" compund atmospheric composition is driving climate change".  It has all the right components for an argument from the feelsies. It arbitrarily calls the cause a "tiny" change, highlights that it is a change in a "trace" gas, and contrasts it with something that sounds huge, The climate of THE ENTIRE PLANET is being driven into a "Venusian-like" state.

Potholer54:
Science vs. the Feelies


The only "feelings" I have on this issue are sympathy for you and the rest of your cult suffering with your extreme unsupported belief syndrome.  Otherwise I'm just waiting for someone to provide a single shred of evidence demonstrating that carbon dioxide is causing net runaway heating of the atmosphere.
Yes yes bla bla nobody has succeeded in convincing you. As if that is even possible for a sycophant conspiracy nutter like you, who is prone to the quintessential conspiracy nutter retort, and what all conspiracy-nutter MO's always ultimately reduce to: If the evidence is against me, that evidence must be fake.

That's the real measure of truth around here right? Whether you feel personally convinced. A person who's entire position revolves around erecting a conspiracy theory to reject any contrary evidence.

97% of the worlds publishing climatologists agree there is anthropogenic climage change! Who cares? Think of that. An entire scientific field with virtually every qualified expert on the planet agreeing. But nooo we better worrry about the opinions of conservative bloggers and.. random internet nobody number 2 billion, Cephus0. That's going to be what settles it.

Don't you have another blog-post by some unqualified conservative sycophant you need to cultishly parrot around, or some <3% of climatologist oil-money bought lunatic-fringe crackpot's cock you "need" go drain?
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If the evidence is against me, that evidence must be fake.
That is just one of the idiotic things I have come across in regards to the denial of climate change.  There are many others.


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If the evidence is against me, that evidence must be fake.
That is just one of the idiotic things I have come acrossbeen guilty of in regards to the denial of climate change.  There are many others.



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I know.  It was my poor parody of the sans evidence assertions that tiny changes in trace compound atmospheric molecular composition are driving this planet into a Venusian-like climate. 
The argument from feelings perfectly exemplified here. Basically Cephus0 is saying "I don't FEEL that a "tiny" change in "trace" compund atmospheric composition is driving climate change".  It has all the right components for an argument from the feelsies. It arbitrarily calls the cause a "tiny" change, highlights that it is a change in a "trace" gas, and contrasts it with something that sounds huge, The climate of THE ENTIRE PLANET is being driven into a "Venusian-like" state.

Potholer54:
Science vs. the Feelies


The only "feelings" I have on this issue are sympathy for you and the rest of your cult suffering with your extreme unsupported belief syndrome.  Otherwise I'm just waiting for someone to provide a single shred of evidence demonstrating that carbon dioxide is causing net runaway heating of the atmosphere.
Yes yes bla bla nobody has succeeded in convincing you. As if that is even possible for a sycophant conspiracy nutter like you, who is prone to the quintessential conspiracy nutter retort, and what all conspiracy-nutter MO's always ultimately reduce to: If the evidence is against me, that evidence must be fake.

That's the real measure of truth around here right? Whether you feel personally convinced. A person who's entire position revolves around erecting a conspiracy theory to reject any contrary evidence.

97% of the worlds publishing climatologists agree there is anthropogenic climage change! Who cares? Think of that. An entire scientific field with virtually every qualified expert on the planet agreeing. But nooo we better worrry about the opinions of conservative bloggers and.. random internet nobody number 2 billion, Cephus0. That's going to be what settles it.

Don't you have another blog-post by some unqualified conservative sycophant you need to cultishly parrot around, or some <3% of climatologist oil-money bought lunatic-fringe crackpot's cock you "need" go drain?

Medic!  Always weird and delusional but now full-on frothing hydrophobic.

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Well that didn't take long.
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The Blue Hill data is one of those rare stations that isn't that adjusted (by NOAA or NASA), because they have been careful and scientific and even more importantly, the data shows long term annual warming, with out the need to adjust the past.

It's also awesome because they actually have records from 1831 to present.  It's the longest weather record for the US (and all of North America). 

I know, I know, almost nobody actually cares.  You might think such high quality data would be important, especially when it matches high quality data from other long and carefully gathered weather/climate data.

The thing is, both sides will simply reject what they "know" isn't valid, if it threatens their belief.
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#bothsides

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I don't actually keep up with the massive piles of posts from both sides, but even so, the issue of colder winters (with more snow of course) is a bone of contention.  Alarmists either deny it is happening, or turn around and say it proves warming.

Deniers say it isn't happening, or that it is natural variability.
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Well, both sides are right on that one, because it's not happening. You could cherry-pick a given start date to show it happening when you first started getting obsessed with it in 2012 or so, but after the last few winters, it sure as hell isn't happening now. Unless you're talking about a one-year trend starting in 2016.

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Well, both sides are right on that one, because it's not happening.
What do you mean by "it"?


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Meanwhile, back in the actual real world ...
Extreme cold winters fuelled by jet stream and climate change
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The research, carried out by an international team of scientists including the University of Sheffield, has found that warming in the Arctic may be intensifying the effects of the jet stream's position, which in the winter can cause extreme cold weather, such as the winter of 2014/15 which saw record snowfall levels in New York.

Scientists previously had two schools of thought. One group believe that natural variability in the jet stream's position has caused the recent severe cold winter weather seen in places such as the Eastern United States and the UK. The other camp includes scientists who are finding possible connections between the warming of the Arctic - such as melting sea ice, warming air temperatures, and rising sea surface temperatures - and the emerging pattern of severe cold winter weather.

More intense winters (and their increased frequency) are a new phenomenon courtesy of a warming Arctic.

Super-cold winters in the UK and US are due to Arctic warming

And of course the extreme (and record) cold is hand in hand with record amounts of snow, because that is exactly what the data and scientific knowledge of weather both predicts, and explains.  Despite what any idiot tries to tell you otherwise.

The areas that should experience more snow because the oceans are warmer, like Greenland, high mountains, and maybe Antarctica, those regions we expect to see more snow when the oceans are warmer.  But that isn't what the studies are about.  Blue Hill is a good proxy for Boston climate change, because of it's location, and it's careful data gathering.

And of course it shows exactly what we know is reality.  As winters trend colder, snow amounts trend up.

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Actual scientist know that mid latitude NH winters have been getting colder (not the arctic for the most part) , and they are in different camps.
 
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Scientists have been divided over the cause of recent cold winters. One camp believes they are merely the result of natural jet stream variability, but the other is convinced there is a connection with global warming.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2110499-super-cold-winters-in-the-uk-and-us-are-due-to-arctic-warming/

There is a third group, the solar physics group, and they think it's the sun causing it.  No real scientists ignores the data, which clearly shows the NH winters have been trending colder.  With more snow.

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Blue Hill is a good example of how actual real data, not adjusted fake data, can tell us something about the real world.

Of course it matches (almost perfectly) the rest of the world,(the areas that also show the colder winters, with increasing snow), which is main reason we can know the data is high quality.

Don't be an idiot and think every last location is experiencing colder winters, because that isn't what anyone is saying. 
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Well, both sides are right on that one, because it's not happening.
What do you mean by "it"?



I mean
colder winters (with more snow of course).
Of course. And I mean that as a global average of course. Of course you will always find regional variations in any global pattern.

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